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47. The ACLU defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie

Fri Jan 16, 2015, 05:22 PM

Jan 2015

Last edited Fri Jan 16, 2015, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Skokie has a high Jewish population.

That's why the Nazis wanted to march there.

You do not seem to understand that France was INVADED by the Germans in WWII. France did not become part of Germany during that time voluntarily.

Let's go back and look at the statement for which this guy was arrested. He wasn't "inciting" jack shit.

But you are saying that because the Germans committed atrocities against Jews, then Nazi speech should "morally" be banned in some OTHER country where that didn't happen - i.e. France; which is different from the United States in some manner which you have not defined.

Do you know which side of WWII France was on?

And if this is a "moral" imperative, then I had no idea that something as fundamental as what is "morally" wrong depends on what side of the Atlantic Ocean one is on.

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Satirist Charged With Violating French Speech Restrictions [View all] jberryhill Jan 2015 OP

Not really a satirist, just a virulent anti-semite. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #1

Well, he thinks he's funny jberryhill Jan 2015 #3

And Hitler thought he was a moral human being. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #10

Hitler did more than merely speak jberryhill Jan 2015 #11

So Goebbels was harmless then? nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #20

Goebbels did more than merely speak jberryhill Jan 2015 #28

its always free speech till we disagree with the speech La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #4

Are you disputing that he peddles hate speech? geek tragedy Jan 2015 #7

i am saying that just 24 hours ago people were advocating complete free speech. period. nothing else La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #8

He's advocated killing every Jew on the planet geek tragedy Jan 2015 #9

The previous Charlie Hebdo editor had the same problem jberryhill Jan 2015 #12

Mocking a figure from history and attempting geek tragedy Jan 2015 #21

"attempting to incite genocide" jberryhill Jan 2015 #29

The point is that holy books don't stop bullets. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #34

And the Hebdo cartoon was celebrating a massacre of Muslims jberryhill Jan 2015 #36

What massacre of Muslims? geek tragedy Jan 2015 #41

You obviously don't know the context of that cartoon jberryhill Jan 2015 #43

Celebration? No, just a point that geek tragedy Jan 2015 #45

Still dodging the point jberryhill Jan 2015 #54

lol. hoist on your own petard ND-Dem Jan 2015 #89

OMFG Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #108

No, it wasn't FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2015 #59

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #48

What do you mean "fake" jberryhill Jan 2015 #52

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #58

The first is the July 2013 CH cover jberryhill Jan 2015 #64

I stand corrected. It is a real cover commenting on Muslims getting shot by other Muslims in Egypt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #65

Whew... jberryhill Jan 2015 #66

i'd really like a cite for that 'advocated killing every jew on the planet' thing, especially ND-Dem Jan 2015 #88

You're defending this pig? nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #90

you made a claim. i asked for a link to support your claim. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #92

Look up his arrests. 840high Jan 2015 #102

just give me a link to where he advocates killing every jew on the planet please. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #103

I followed your link. You somehow didn't post the controversial stuff. I wonder why Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #105

yes, so it seems. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #14

He is a raging anti-Semite for sure jberryhill Jan 2015 #16

The hypocrisy on DU is strong LittleBlue Jan 2015 #27

the only person who's been arrested or imprisoned is the islamic comic, & it seems you ND-Dem Jan 2015 #82

Wrong LittleBlue Jan 2015 #84

neither do you, since that's the best you can do. the article you quote supports my point: ND-Dem Jan 2015 #87

You said: "the only person who's been arrested or imprisoned is the islamic comic" LittleBlue Jan 2015 #91

yes, and those being prosecuted are arabs and muslims. which was my actual point. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #93

i'm not sure how or why you drew that conclusion from anything that was said. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #81

In his previous stuff, not this particular statement at hand jberryhill Jan 2015 #83

Well, not really Warpy Jan 2015 #31

and saying je suis Coulibaly on facebook rises to this level? La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #73

Just to clarify "Je suis Coulibaly" the problem is "Support for a Terrorist Act" which is illegal nt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #106

But satire we're told is protected. So if we call it satire it's legal n'est-ce pas? ucrdem Jan 2015 #110

Who told you satire was protected? Yes by all means, lets see how low we can go Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #112

Je suis Charlie is supposedly a slogan proclaiming it. ucrdem Jan 2015 #114

Cartoons followed by Terrorist Attack. Je suis Coulibaly followed by a court date in FR justice Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #117

Either satire is protected or it isn't. If it is, the charges should be dismissed. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #118

You've confused "SATIRE" with "Condoning a TERRORIST ATTACK" That is the question at hand Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #121

Apparently there is enough confusion to warrant an arrest, yes. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #124

Again, Excellent dodge for providing equivalence between a terrorist attack and a court date Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #123

D'accord, fine, I think the point has been made. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #126

Far from your point being made, I've given up on trying to understand you actually. Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #127

Stop making sense. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #122

Having looked as some of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons that have given offense to Muslims . . . markpkessinger Jan 2015 #71

Yes. 840high Jan 2015 #101

So much for liberté d'expression. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #2

There's a reason for the hate speech laws in Europe HERVEPA Jan 2015 #5

Do the French have some kind of brain defect? jberryhill Jan 2015 #15

Americans are not imnmune to hate speech. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #17

There is a history of slavery here, and of lynchings, and of civil war jberryhill Jan 2015 #18

Do Jews in New York have the same safety concerns geek tragedy Jan 2015 #22

How many African Americans were killed by police in NY in the last year? jberryhill Jan 2015 #23

France and the US are different places. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #26

You brought up New York jberryhill Jan 2015 #30

New York is part of the US. Paris is part of France. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #33

But you are leaving out one part jberryhill Jan 2015 #35

Stereotyping is different than incitement. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #38

Swarthy Hook-Nosed Guys With Beards And Turbans Are Terrorists jberryhill Jan 2015 #42

Perhaps you should address the actual statement, counselor. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #46

To wit: “Tonight, as far as I’m concerned, I feel like Charlie Coulibaly.” jberryhill Jan 2015 #50

What is your source for these comics, please? Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #49

Google Image Search With Appropriate Keywords jberryhill Jan 2015 #51

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #53

what do you mean by that? jberryhill Jan 2015 #55

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #57

Let me try this one more time.... jberryhill Jan 2015 #61

You are doing yeoman' work. I salute you. The double standard is glaring on what speech is Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #77

I actually am of two minds on this whole "hate speech" shebang jberryhill Jan 2015 #79

+100. seems to me the whole 'free speech = the right to insult others' is all about keeping ND-Dem Jan 2015 #96

You're confused. the poster never claimed the parody version was the original version. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #95

.. La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #74

Surprisingly, the French were not on the German side of WWII anyway! jberryhill Jan 2015 #75

i think the french are being insanely hypocritalical in this arrest La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #76

I'm ambivalent about these kinds of restrictions jberryhill Jan 2015 #78

Referring to the First Amendment, how about saying, "Death to the Klan"? countryjake Jan 2015 #80

according to one poster from france, americans simply can't understand the uniquely droll ND-Dem Jan 2015 #94

He's as much a satirist as Fred Phelps was. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #6

And he should go to jail for saying "I hate those people"? jberryhill Jan 2015 #13

Europe takes a zero tolerance approach to geek tragedy Jan 2015 #19

"attempt to exterminate" <> "speech" jberryhill Jan 2015 #24

He was openly identifying with someone who geek tragedy Jan 2015 #32

"Your priority is protecting the right of Nazis and their ilk to incite violence" jberryhill Jan 2015 #40

The ACLU is an American organization that has no standing geek tragedy Jan 2015 #44

The ACLU defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie jberryhill Jan 2015 #47

Vichy French rounded up the Jews. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #85

The future is not yet history... jberryhill Jan 2015 #138

"special pleading". there's a lot of it going round. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #99

"It flows in one direction--from the numerous against the few." right. because the folks ND-Dem Jan 2015 #98

Corrected no longer relevant Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #39

The one which doesn't say "Charlie Hebdo" is not a Hebdo cover jberryhill Jan 2015 #56

Corrected no long relevent (OP posted source I stand corrected) Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #60

It is the July 2013 cover jberryhill Jan 2015 #62

Did you notice the caption "Tuererie en Egypt" (Killings in Egypt) SATIRE ALERT Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #67

Yes, and? jberryhill Jan 2015 #68

Gee I don't think they expected to be shot up all to hell last week Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #72

he was a communist -- so what? you're still wrong about that cover being a 'forgery'. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #100

I admitted that at least 4x all over this thread. Compared to Charb, you're a Wing-Nut Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #104

Even former staffers have called Charlie disingenuous. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #129

where is the 'attempt to exterminate jews'? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #97

If the Charlie Hebdo writers died for free speech, then this shits all over their sacrifice LittleBlue Jan 2015 #25

NYT calling Dieudonné a "provocative humorist" is like calling Goebbels a "marketing executive" Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #37

He's probably hilarious to people who hate Jews jberryhill Jan 2015 #63

"Freedom of speech means nothing if it does NOT mean the freedom to offend" Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #69

And the key to obtaining a majority in democratic politics is offending as many people as possible! jberryhill Jan 2015 #70

How incredibly hypocritical of the French. The Charlie Hebdo people ought to stand with him. tritsofme Jan 2015 #86

To clarify "Je suis Coulibaly" is printed "Support for a Terrorist Act" which is illegal in FR Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #107

By that logic the CH cover you thought was a forgery is support for a genocidal act. ucrdem Jan 2015 #109

"despite...that it ... illustrates the assassination of a Muslim rep of all Muslims by MUSLIMS Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #111

If context exonerates one is should exonerate both. There is clearly a double standard. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #113

Why don't you flesh out your argument so that a reasonable person can understand it Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #115

I think most of us understand it pretty well, and the cartoons are unspeakably vile. ucrdem Jan 2015 #116

Excellent attempt at dodging the question. My question is "how does context exonerate both" Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #119

Here's how: ucrdem Jan 2015 #120

FAIL Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #125

Flesh out your argument please ND-Dem Jan 2015 #131

Should a Facebook post qualify as "support for a terrorist act"? I don't think so. tritsofme Jan 2015 #128

He hasn't been convicted yet. The FR justice system may agree with you after the court date Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #133

You didn't know it either, because Coulibaly was the black guy who shot up the supermarket. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #130

I guess that invalidates all my points then Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #132

well, we know they're not based on careful examination of the facts, since you can't even ND-Dem Jan 2015 #134

yawn Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #135

you get very basic facts wrong; no wonder you think 'yawn' is some kind of convincing argument. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #136

All religions are equal, but some religions are more equal than others whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #137