Has General Discussion Been Hostile to Religious Believers recently?

[Zorra]

104. I get the liberal church/conservative church thing. I have no problem with

people who do not harm others in the name of their religion, who don't support religions that actively harm others, or who don't support religions that actively espouse harming others.

This discussion began with an OP that posed a question about DUers dissing religion.

Many followers of religions are actively hurting other people. Religions, and followers of religions, have been doing this since the dawn of human consciousness. Liberals generally genuinely don't care for organizations or followers of organizations that harm innocent people.

I doubt that Jesus is real pleased about all the harm that has been done by the misguided people who have done so much harm to so many in his name.

I'm not saying people should run away from God, etc

I'm saying that they should run away from the religions that use God as a vehicle to spread hate and cause harm. If they gave a religion, and nobody came, the religion couldn't do any harm.

But yeah, i suppose you're right, I imagine my views on spirituality have become pretty simple over the years.

"God is love", "Love your neighbor", and "Do to others what you would have them do to you". Childlike. But that's just me.

I would never presume I have the right to tell people what they should believe, but fully reserve the right ask people to consider if what they believe in, and/or support, is causing harm to innocent people, and to try to stop them from harming others if it is.

Challenging something directly is the opposite of running away from it; going along with something, being silent when you clearly see that something is causing harm, that's running away.

If you don't directly challenge your religious organization up close and personal when you know it is doing something wrong, for fear of ostracism, don't deceive yourself into believing that you are trying to change it.