why I think fetal homicide laws are bullshit... (Reply #70)

In the discussion thread: No Pardon - Young Woman To Serve 30 Years For Miscarriage [View all]

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 09:02 AM

PeaceNikki (27,985 posts)

70. why I think fetal homicide laws are bullshit...

The "Protection of Unborn Children Act", fetal homicide, et al are pure BS.

A forced abortion or miscarriage is totally an assault against the woman, not the fetus. It should not center on the fetus at all, which is part of the woman's body. A woman's pregnancy becomes part of HER identity and personhood while she's pregnant. Laws that bypass her and give any status or protection to the fetus regardless of gestation are harmful and discriminatory against women, and devalue women as persons.

Also, I think the issue of 'choice' in this situation is a red herring. If an assaulted woman's pregnancy is unwanted - even if she gets assaulted on the way to the abortion clinic and miscarries, it's just as serious a crime as an assault against a woman with a much-wanted pregnancy.

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103 replies	Author	Time	Post
No Pardon - Young Woman To Serve 30 Years For Miscarriage [View all]	sheshe2	Jan 2015	OP
Please excuse the following, not fit for polite company.....	daleanime	Jan 2015	#1
No need to excuse you.	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#2
Thank you....	daleanime	Jan 2015	#44
"Literally shaking with rage."	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#48
I've had a full term intrapartum death	Bettie	Jan 2015	#67
put their men in prison too	roguevalley	Jan 2015	#11
It's in Asia too, sorry to say. Men dominate, intimidate and control women & children. From close	appalachiablue	Jan 2015	#99
What did she do? I don't get it.	yeoman6987	Jan 2015	#31
She had a miscarriage.	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#38
Oh brother....sickening is the least of it.	yeoman6987	Jan 2015	#39
This is fucking insane...	yuiyoshida	Jan 2015	#54
My wife and I have a large family...but we also had some very unfortunate miscarriages...	Moostache	Jan 2015	#83
My first pregnancy ended in miscarriage. And due to the fact that abortion	truedelphi	Jan 2015	#90
Oh dear.. horrible horribly sad.. thank you for bringing it to light, she.	Cha	Jan 2015	#3
It is brutal and so very cruel Cha.	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#5
This shit is happening here too. I'm glad you noted that.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2015	#4
Well of course I noted it.	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#7
It's never stopped...	Marthe48	Jan 2015	#12
Unbelievable!	smirkymonkey	Jan 2015	#6
I just recently brought up this subject of El Salvador on fb.	BlancheSplanchnik	Jan 2015	#8
Blanche,	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#14
Same. I read this story a few days ago and it has haunted me. Literally sick over this.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Jan 2015	#98
El Salvador Is The Model For US The GOP & Its Allies Have In Mind. I.E. Fundy Christians.	TheMastersNemesis	Jan 2015	#9
hyeah but this is like further right than real right wing voters I know	PatrynXX	Jan 2015	#10
Not 'further right'...	Panich52	Jan 2015	#57
Insanity	ismnotwasm	Jan 2015	#13
That's so Evangelical of El Salvador. And EXACTLY what Evangelicals hope to bring to the U.S.	blkmusclmachine	Jan 2015	#15
Pretty sure it is already here. eom	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#16
And Evangelicals are spreading into South America as well.	WHEN CRABS ROAR	Jan 2015	#20
A breakdown of the religions in El Salvador	BrotherIvan	Jan 2015	#40
If I had my way all Salvadorian officials would be oredered to leave the US in 48 hours.	47of74	Jan 2015	#17
Amen. The US could stop this bullshit in 24 hours. I'd go even farther >	BlueJazz	Jan 2015	#28
You should start a new thread for this in the morning, and ask everyone to k&r it.	Liberty Belle	Jan 2015	#61
petition signed. please consider giving this its own thread for visibility. nt	magical thyme	Jan 2015	#81
Signed.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Jan 2015	#94
Pope should intervene.	zentrum	Jan 2015	#18
Sadly, I don't see that happening. eom	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#21
I wonder if the Pope knows about this particular case	yeoman6987	Jan 2015	#37
HAHAHAHAHA!	BrotherIvan	Jan 2015	#41
Come on Brother.....it may be POSSIBLE	yeoman6987	Jan 2015	#43
You're kidding right?	BrotherIvan	Jan 2015	#45
Well maybe your right but nothing is guaranteed.	yeoman6987	Jan 2015	#47
What you say is all infuriatingly true, but....	zentrum	Jan 2015	#53
I will personally go kiss his feet if he does	BrotherIvan	Jan 2015	#56
yes, but...	druidity33	Jan 2015	#91
We're talking religion here. Not logic.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Jan 2015	#95
If he steps forward,	zentrum	Jan 2015	#93
Please. I am sure he agrees with this. nt	m-lekktor	Jan 2015	#49
Hatred and abuse of women is worse than I've ever seen in the US. It's a shock from the	appalachiablue	Jan 2015	#19
So true and so depressing.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Jan 2015	#96
NPR did a report on this	leftieNanner	Jan 2015	#22
Sad isn't it leftieNanner.	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#25
Anybody that speaks Spanish would have to be appalled at the laws of El Salvador.	BlueJazz	Jan 2015	#23
Please give generously.	eggplant	Jan 2015	#24
Thank you for the link eggplant.	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#29
Yea, I know.	eggplant	Jan 2015	#52
Similar for me.	Ineeda	Jan 2015	#80
This is an important and horrific story. Many religious are eeking towards this here.	PeaceNikki	Jan 2015	#26
At best ,this is just stupid!	deafskeptic	Jan 2015	#27
It already is happening here...	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#32
Religions of El Salvador...	SidDithers	Jan 2015	#30
I sure won't hold my breath...	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#34
Respect for their beliefs, cultural differences, warmongering imperialist racism,	LadyHawkAZ	Jan 2015	#92
Here's the ultimate irony - the FUCKING ASSHOLES in this country who scream	bullwinkle428	Jan 2015	#33
It is Already Here!!!	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#35
Well, they're unquestionably not against religious law governing a country,	Dark n Stormy Knight	Jan 2015	#97
This is what you get when you allow ReThugs to hold power...	harrose	Jan 2015	#36
Oh, they are indeed the GOP. And we need to stop them.	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#46
I ask...	nikto	Jan 2015	#42
Kick	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#50
Wellllll......	ReRe	Jan 2015	#51
Appalling is a completely...	3catwoman3	Jan 2015	#55
"The State Where Giving Birth Can Be Criminal" (Tennessee), The Nation, 12/29/14	progree	Jan 2015	#58
K & R	SunSeeker	Jan 2015	#59
And did you hear about that Alabama law appointing attorneys for fetuses?	SunSeeker	Jan 2015	#60
The National Institute of Health gives miscarriage rates	HeiressofBickworth	Jan 2015	#62
This is fucking SICK!	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#63
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!	Enthusiast	Jan 2015	#64
To be clear, Illinois' fetal homicide law does not apply to the mother.	ColesCountyDem	Jan 2015	#65
Fetal homicide laws are a slippery slope and wrong.	PeaceNikki	Jan 2015	#69
No disagreement from me-- just wanted to clarify.	ColesCountyDem	Jan 2015	#71
I am very strongly against all of them and posted more on why below.	PeaceNikki	Jan 2015	#72
As am I.	ColesCountyDem	Jan 2015	#74
I understand, and I wanted to give additional perspective as to why it and others are still wrong.	PeaceNikki	Jan 2015	#75
The anti-choicers will find IL's 'soil' poor for planting.	ColesCountyDem	Jan 2015	#76
Really mostly only Chicago.	PeaceNikki	Jan 2015	#77
Chicago will keep us blue.	ColesCountyDem	Jan 2015	#78
And for that, I'm thankful	PeaceNikki	Jan 2015	#79
A miscarriage if justice...	blackspade	Jan 2015	#66
I clicked onto this thread thinking it would be another Florida story.	B Calm	Jan 2015	#68
why I think fetal homicide laws are bullshit...	PeaceNikki	Jan 2015	#70
Huh? I Mean, Huh?	ProfessorGAC	Jan 2015	#73
k and appalled r for this sick, woman-hating crap.	niyad	Jan 2015	#82
Ah, religion. Gotta love it--if you're a sadist. nt	valerief	Jan 2015	#84
RWers are salivating to do the same thing here.	lark	Jan 2015	#85
Religion = The Scourge of Humanity	Arugula Latte	Jan 2015	#86
Awful	LiberalLovinLug	Jan 2015	#87
This is absolute batshit insanity.	hifiguy	Jan 2015	#88
Insanity is the new sane	AZ Progressive	Jan 2015	#89
She actually got the pardon on Thursday	ManiacJoe	Jan 2015	#100
Hallelujah. I hope she's out by now.	mountain grammy	Jan 2015	#101
thank you.	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#103
Anyone see article: 300,000 INDIGENOUS WOMEN STERILIZED IN PERU IN 1990s?	appalachiablue	Jan 2015	#102

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