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Red Knight

(704 posts)
68. That's fair
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jan 2015

When you are in the middle of a battle you aren't asking yourself about the politics of the war itself or about the moral justification for what you're doing. You're trying to accomplish some "mission" and stay alive and keep your buddy alive while doing it. A soldiers job in general is to carry out orders and complete a mission assigned by his superior officers.

If that were not the case you could not have a functioning military.

Questioning the validity of the war itself, taking the responsibility for being there--that's for the people who made that decision in the first place, and the luxury to point fingers and be critical of everything that goes bad, of all the ugliness that is inevitable in war is for people sitting behind a computer screen who have never been in that sort of situation and can find it very easy to pick apart an event or situation or person and come to some high moral conclusion.

Wars are horrible. Being in a war is horrible. Soldiers sometimes do horrible things. Sometimes they go beyond the rules of war and even become criminals. They are just men and there are good ones and bad ones.

I did not read "American Sniper" but I did see the film.

I have no idea who Chris Kyle was beyond a movie representation of him. Obviously that's going to strip some of the truth away. I don't think the film portrayed him as a saint and it didn't portray him as a monster. And the truth probably lies somewhere in between.

I think any film that brings some attention to the toll that war takes on the young men this country sends to fight is a good thing.

While "American Sniper" doesn't show any sympathy toward the Iraqis(because the ones in the film are mostly combatants)it does not exactly pretend that this is all some glorious moment. While Chris Kyle may not have had a lot of doubt about the war, other characters did.

I would have liked to see more about the toll war takes on family. That never seems to get enough attention but the film at least addressed some of that.

I wasn't looking to see how closely this film followed Kyle's life. I was looking at more of an overall picture.

I think it did pretty well, while trying to preserve who Chris Kyle(love him or hate him) was as a person.

The biggest propaganda coup is that a movie that celebrates fighting the wrong Baitball Blogger Jan 2015 #1
Have you watched it? Is it a celebration? Orrex Jan 2015 #2
I think it's a complex portrayal and it's arguably an anti-war film uhnope Jan 2015 #8
Really? daleanime Jan 2015 #10
spoiler alert! uhnope Jan 2015 #31
Thank you.... daleanime Jan 2015 #36
I kept into your spoiler alert underpants Jan 2015 #42
cool nt uhnope Jan 2015 #44
That can't be right Orrex Jan 2015 #45
Lots of people who have seen it... JackRiddler Jan 2015 #62
Thank you for summarizing, you've just changed my mind I think I will go see it after all. 2banon Jan 2015 #52
Thank god someone finally told us war is hell. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #65
I saw it, and agree with you October Jan 2015 #70
does it explain that the war was based on lies? that we invaded for no reason? Skittles Jan 2015 #60
Yes I saw the full trailer at a movie theater underpants Jan 2015 #25
Reviews are stating that it's getting military support. Baitball Blogger Jan 2015 #30
The movie doesn't matter. The propaganda matters. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #37
Ok, but is the movie a celebration, as claimed? Orrex Jan 2015 #39
The point is I don't care? JackRiddler Jan 2015 #41
I would be interested to see such films, if they were well made Orrex Jan 2015 #43
I hope you would also ask... JackRiddler Jan 2015 #47
It's probably worth asking why any film is made Orrex Jan 2015 #48
Poor thing. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #49
Well, I can see that you have nothing to contribute. Orrex Jan 2015 #55
Pure projection. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #56
BINGO Skittles Jan 2015 #59
I would not nominate a propaganda movie personally, but we live in an 'Empire now' airc being told. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #69
The story that he shot a woman with a grenade in one hand and a toddler in the other is absurd Ash_F Jan 2015 #38
Ok, but is the movie a celebration, as claimed? Orrex Jan 2015 #40
Let's not judge Nazi propaganda films for their politics. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #57
I imagine that it's comforting to live with such a simplistic worldview Orrex Jan 2015 #64
Projection. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #66
Exactly !!! Ford_Prefect Jan 2015 #3
You've seen it? Orrex Jan 2015 #12
I can't put into words how I feel beyond what I've said, not without getting banned here. Ford_Prefect Jan 2015 #23
But that wasn't my question. Orrex Jan 2015 #26
Yes I saw it. Wish I had not but I wanted to see the view from the "other side". Ford_Prefect Jan 2015 #27
Thanks. (nt) Orrex Jan 2015 #29
That's fair Red Knight Jan 2015 #68
+100. Bait & switch indeed. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #33
No kidding it is? zeemike Jan 2015 #5
won't win MFM008 Jan 2015 #28
Glad he was snubbed. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #34
It will be close. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #67
My thoughts EXACTLY 2banon Jan 2015 #50
It's stunning that it made 103 million over the 4-day holiday yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #61
Probably also don't want to say . . FairWinds Jan 2015 #4
Or Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW.org) - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #6
I said two of the things you mention Go Vols Jan 2015 #7
Its kind of like the movie The Green Berets during the hight of the Vietnam war project_bluebook Jan 2015 #11
Don't also mention Clint was against going into Iraq. muntrv Jan 2015 #9
so he says now. any evidence of it from the period? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #35
Things TO say: "I'm an adult. It's just a movie. It's no big deal." nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #13
How about.... AlbertCat Jan 2015 #18
Yeah, there is that. HappyMe Jan 2015 #20
I read Kyle's book, and from the movie trailer it looks like they give him a lot more anguish tclambert Jan 2015 #14
Don't forget "Allahu Akbar!" Based on the film's ... 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #15
bad publicity is good publicity olddots Jan 2015 #16
"Why doesn't he just shoot at the ground and get rich like Jed Clampett?" Ed Suspicious Jan 2015 #17
First thing you know ole Jed's a millionaire lovemydog Jan 2015 #19
And he was just shootin' for some food. BumRushDaShow Jan 2015 #21
'n up from the ground comes a bubblin' crude lovemydog Jan 2015 #22
Oil that is. Black gold. Texas tea BumRushDaShow Jan 2015 #24
Or this... Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #32
Is this the sequal to "American Psycho"? n/t miyazaki Jan 2015 #46
Sadly not. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #51
"Soooo he couldn't find WMD either?" nuff said. madinmaryland Jan 2015 #53
"I give this movie 5 Lee Harveys!" Tom Ripley Jan 2015 #54
I will not see another movie made by an actor who Lint Head Jan 2015 #58
LOL at the Zimmerman comment. nt U4ikLefty Jan 2015 #63
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