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131. the pessimism expressed here is palpable

Thu Jan 22, 2015, 12:05 AM

Jan 2015

But totally unjustified IMHO. Also, if we want some good progressive legislation for her to sign if POTUS, we need to fight for a more progressive Congress. I don't know about you but I want HRC, not a Republican selecting the next SCOTUS judge(s)

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Let's be honest....nothing progressive can happen under HRC as president. [View all] Ken Burch Jan 2015 OP

Lets be honest.....that is completely FALSE! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #1

No, it's pretty dead-on! Roland99 Jan 2015 #18

Utter Cowpie! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #24

HRC on TPP Roland99 Jan 2015 #25

Not nearly enough....lets check what the voting record says shall we? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #26

On economic measures she is strongly in the negative (-5), another wall street cheerleader. arthritisR_US Jan 2015 #38

You are misreading it too.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #41

Call me ignorant, that's fair because I am trying to understand those arthritisR_US Jan 2015 #48

actions speak louder than words, especially campaign words. we know what she's done, and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #68

That's some rhetoric I consider to be bigoted bullshit. First off Hillary was highly opposed to Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #88

She's more progressive than many other possible candidates, such as Joe Biden and Jim Webb. pnwmom Jan 2015 #55

Jim Webb I would definitely agree with, Joe Biden I can't. nt arthritisR_US Jan 2015 #67

that's like saying except for 9-11 Bush kept us safe AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #72

One question, if you think she's all that why would you support her if she is nominated? Autumn Jan 2015 #2

No...A Republican wouldn't nominate non-psychopaths to the Supreme Court. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #4

Let's be honest...I HRC was so bad....why will Bernie Sanders not only vote for her.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #3

Lesser-evilism. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #6

He does? REALLY NOW? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #7

I guess there's nothing in the DU rules that prevents you from posting the identical thing a million tularetom Jan 2015 #29

Not when it is the TRUTHFUL record of a respected Democrat...no its not... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #30

that's not her record. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #69

Yes it is....would you like me to show you? Because I most certainly can.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #105

I believe it's 'votematch's' categorization and evaluation of her record, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #106

You want the quotes? ....Good thanks! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #110

thanks for the spam. and just as i thought, it's not her record. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #111

WTH is wrong with you ...that IS her record.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #112

it's how she was rated by organizations using their own classification system, their own selection ND-Dem Jan 2015 #114

No my friend...it is NOT....it is summarized....but IT IS her record...and there is plenty more VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #115

Here just on abortion alone... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #113

Go for it. You picked her centerpiece issue for liberal credibility, one I'd argue she isn't amazing TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #146

there is PLENTY more of her record there....YOU guys cannot keep lying about her record.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #147

Bless you, Vanilla R Hekate Jan 2015 #117

You are welcome....I always did like a good fight! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #118

just like there's nothing in DU rules that prevents posting the same BS about Hillary a million wyldwolf Jan 2015 #37

I looked again just to be sure tularetom Jan 2015 #44

though I was replying TO you, it wasn't ABOUT you wyldwolf Jan 2015 #46

Let's be honest. Collecting 'dittos' gives you an ego boost wyldwolf Jan 2015 #5

No, my ego doesn't enter into this at all. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #9

Historical revisionists and psychics like yourself don't 'bother me.' They AMUSE me. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #39

I'm no historical revisionist. I lived through the Nineties. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #71

you constantly revise history to fit your view. Reference our RFK discussion downthread. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #74

I refuted your claim about RFK in my response to it. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #97

No you didn't. As usual, and like now, you're posting a bunch of opinions. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #101

Vote for the candidate of your choice. Adrahil Jan 2015 #76

+1 LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #43

What a bunch of utter baloney. greatlaurel Jan 2015 #8

Lyndon Johnson was doomed to lose if renominated in 1968. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #10

How about if we give her a fully Democratic sweep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #11

Not to the professional curmudgeons! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #13

I'm for working for that anyway. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #16

The President doesn't write the legislation ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #22

she will likely be Obama 2. nt msongs Jan 2015 #12

and you have a problem with that? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #15

successful for who? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #120

by anyone's standards....except for Republicans... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #124

it took 10 years to get us out of the great depression. it's been 6 years since the great recession ND-Dem Jan 2015 #128

YOUR anecdotal evidence....is not proof of anything.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #129

*your* anecdotal evidence; the evidence of the upper middle political class; ND-Dem Jan 2015 #133

You don't dig out of a hole. The first rule of getting out of one is to stop digging. Digging makes TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #142

One can only hope. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #19

Ha! If Only. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #40

That would be good. Change is incremental. n/t Adrahil Jan 2015 #77

Not always. On civil rights, for example, Ken Burch Jan 2015 #123

But's not like that legislation came out of the blue.... Adrahil Jan 2015 #143

Obviously it's a generational struggle. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #144

She's the ultimate Centrist Not as Bad candidate. A power hungry mediocrity. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #14

NO she is NOT...How many times do I have to prove this to YOU? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #17

Privatize social security? Free trade? ETC? Are you fucking kidding me? You're PROVING she's RW RiverLover Jan 2015 #27

What? Those aren't Leftie policies anymore? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #28

Sorry, it does say that. Watching the SOTU... But I really am skeptical~ RiverLover Jan 2015 #32

Well I am giving you the public record of what she HAS done... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #34

That is a good thing. Her husband's NAFTA and his gutting of wall street regulation arthritisR_US Jan 2015 #51

Meh, one never knows. People are not inanimate, unchanged objects. Circumstances are unpredictable. UTUSN Jan 2015 #20

1+n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #23

What method are you using to foretell the future? Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #21

Exactly. Such confidence is almost absurd. cheapdate Jan 2015 #35

Over simplification, and reduction to black and white thinking Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #54

RE: Your line on RFK. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #31

Bobby Kennedy wanted jobs programs for people on welfare-as did and DO those on welfare themselves Ken Burch Jan 2015 #63

And Bill Clinton baked a workforce development component into the '96 bill... wyldwolf Jan 2015 #73

Bull. Shit. Rosco T. Jan 2015 #33

I find it ironic that on the same day we have a thread lambasting Obama BainsBane Jan 2015 #36

+100! zappaman Jan 2015 #45

+ infinity. nt ecstatic Jan 2015 #50

Can you please link to the thread "lambasting Obama for not delivering on a single payer promise"? Scuba Jan 2015 #52

That would be your OP BainsBane Jan 2015 #57

I never mentioned Obama, except to point out that Dems controlled the White House ... Scuba Jan 2015 #58

I am afraid I have to correct you there BainsBane Jan 2015 #61

I wonder how often this "your own position has slipped a bit to where you are a bit closer to... bettyellen Jan 2015 #53

Oh, you mean us "Third Way" folk? BainsBane Jan 2015 #59

+ Infinity (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #56

I have always known that capital called the tune in this country. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #64

Let's examine this BainsBane Jan 2015 #66

Well said. The role of the President in the American system is conservative (small "c") by design YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #83

+1 lumberjack_jeff Jan 2015 #108

Well-said, BB. The operative word is "fantasies." nt Hekate Jan 2015 #125

Sir, I know JEBtm JCMach1 Jan 2015 #42

Who is YOUR suggestion? Focus on that person instead of tearing down the current crop! ecstatic Jan 2015 #47

didn't see vote against both Alito and Roberts? Kind of amazing you did not address women's issues- bettyellen Jan 2015 #49

HRC isn't the only person who can fight the assault on choice. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #65

it is a huge issue that currently is killing many women, literally jailing them for pregnancy these bettyellen Jan 2015 #82

I didn't mention it in the OP(I guess I should have) because ANY Democrat will fight for choice. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #95

The reason she is the frontrunner is because the polls say she is the frontrunner. StevieM Jan 2015 #60

Then find somebody you find more appealling to vote for mythology Jan 2015 #62

let's be clear, you despise Hillary Skittles Jan 2015 #70

not despise just dislike dembotoz Jan 2015 #81

and we all know how much glamour counts in elections Skittles Jan 2015 #94

It's not personal. It's about what her record shows. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #98

uh huh Skittles Jan 2015 #99

Sure it's not Hekate Jan 2015 #127

I'd say the same thing about anyone else with the same record. And you know it. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #135

Let's be honest....nothing progressive can happen under a Republican president. BootinUp Jan 2015 #75

And I wasn't calling for one to be elected(I said I'd vote for her if nominated) Ken Burch Jan 2015 #100

If I didn't have a raging headache BootinUp Jan 2015 #104

Everything is relative BootinUp Jan 2015 #139

No. of course not. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #140

Another Hilary bashing post oberliner Jan 2015 #78

Or, as some people would describe it: Tuesday brooklynite Jan 2015 #79

What will this be like come primary time? oberliner Jan 2015 #80

K&R There is nothing more important than stopping Hillary woo me with science Jan 2015 #84

JSYK F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #89

On my computer, you have to load it twice. woo me with science Jan 2015 #93

Yes, yes it is. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #116

But dahhhhling, I was just chatting with Hill at the salon LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #85

Lol. nt benz380 Jan 2015 #96

"nothing progressive can happen under HRC as president." NCTraveler Jan 2015 #86

Like you, if she's nominated I'll vote for her - but the GOP is likely to win. closeupready Jan 2015 #87

PUMA! redux jpak Jan 2015 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #91

or...cartoons OF cat pictures brooklynite Jan 2015 #92

Do you consider cosponsoring increase in minimum wage which was the last increase to $7.25 being Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #102

I think that's more "let's exaggerate wildly and unfairly" than "let's be honest". N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #103

Feel free to point out any areas where I exaggerated. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #122

Sure it could. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2015 #107

+1 No more Third Way corporatists and warmongers. woo me with science Jan 2015 #109

Let's be honest: tell me again why both Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren said they'd support Hillary. Hekate Jan 2015 #119

Why does that matter? in January of 1967, Bobby Kennedy was saying he supported LBJ for re-election Ken Burch Jan 2015 #121

You're making me LOL with your "Why does that matter?" My-my-my. >smh< nt Hekate Jan 2015 #126

That is completely false. Liz signed a letter but refuses to publicly, verbally endorse HRC. RiverLover Jan 2015 #130

What sort of letter did Liz sign,& if it's supportive,how's that different from a verbal endorsment? Hekate Jan 2015 #132

This interview explains the letter & how she studiously avoids endorsing Hillary~ RiverLover Jan 2015 #134

the pessimism expressed here is palpable Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2015 #131

I agree totally that we need to fight for a more progressive Congress. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #136

Koch et al miss those days~ RiverLover Jan 2015 #137

Hillary would appoint whoever her Wall St masters told her to. Progressives be damned. nt benz380 Jan 2015 #141

Agreed. eom saltpoint Jan 2015 #138

kick nt benz380 Jan 2015 #145