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Munificence

(493 posts)
173. No
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jan 2015

because there are a lot more chores that need done vs taking 1/2 hour and spending $0.70-$0.80 cents for a loaf of bread that is $1.00 at the store. One is in essence exchanging $0.25 for 1/2 hour of their time. Now you take the price control and government intervention (subsidies) out of the market and you bet I'll bake my own bread as it will easily be $5.00 a loaf at the store. At that point I could probably break even on baking it myself.

Only reason a person can beat the bread price at the store is to value their time at $.50 an hour. Bread is a 1/2 hour proposition so one is saving $0.25 or so by baking their own bread. If you want to count water used, pots, pans used, oven depreciation and really look at the true cost of producing a loaf of bread from your oven then I am sure it would be at least $1.50 per loaf. Toss in an honest "time value" for your labor of baking the bread at even min wage and that bread gets you up to $5.00 or $6.00 per loaf.

That is the way "true cost" are figured, not some la la land where folks think that the sale price is all profit. Seems some think you can bake a loaf of bread for $0.50 or there about - I'd say at the minimum they are missing actual costs and not even realizing there are other costs that they are missing, I'd say that they are missing that number by 25% easily - and that is why they should not be in business. 25% mistakes will leave you with zero profit. industry standard is to shoot for 20-30 gross and hopefully you net 5-10%. That's because most do not understand how to calculate real cost. I could sell 100 pigs for $45k and at the end of the day I might be able to stick 5-10% in my pocket to compensate me for my labor....which would be $2500-$4500 a year and in a good year if nothing goes wrong and it rains then I may be able to get lucky and clear $10K for well over 2500 hours of work which will maybe let me clear $2.50 an hour for my effort.

Then there is this farm that you do not own, but instead the bank does, along with the tractors and equipment, that right there can easily lead to a couple million in loans even before you start farming. Someone has to pay for those loans and by saving $0.25 a loaf on bread you are not gonna make much of a dent in all that financed stuff the bank owns that you reside in and use to try and make your living. Just think how much it costs for that $50K tractor out in the barn that was financed through a bank. Look at all the fuel burned planting and harvesting. Most just see a price of $4.00 a bushel for corn and think it's a lot of money and they do not see the million dollar loans that the farmer is trying to service with nearly all the proceeds from the $4.00 a bushel. And at the end of the day they are the last ones paid and it's usually not much.

We subsidize farmers because they'd simply shut down if we didn't or they'd be gobbled up by these mega corporate farmers that farm thousands of acres (Oh they are getting the bulk of the subsidies by the way). When you are worried about making the loan payments and feeding your family.


The only way to farm and have a million dollars after 5 years is to start with 2 million.

















I grew up poor, not dirt poor, but poor, and I've never heard of this dissentient Jan 2015 #1
Ditto. nt Jamaal510 Jan 2015 #162
Cardboard inside, to cover the holes. braddy Jan 2015 #2
Not *on* our shoes unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #3
ha! ya beat me marym625 Jan 2015 #7
The thing that concerns me... jmowreader Jan 2015 #9
same here KT2000 Jan 2015 #15
We did the same thing... 3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #17
We did it too... MgtPA Jan 2015 #47
I was gonna say that too hfojvt Jan 2015 #28
Must be a NY thing MattBaggins Jan 2015 #48
That's exactly right. cilla4progress Jan 2015 #54
Her mom probably put freeze bags on her feet so when she put her feet in her boots it was insulated. SummerSnow Jan 2015 #102
Same. joshcryer Jan 2015 #60
It made the boots much easier to get on and off, too. Mariana Jan 2015 #62
Yes that's how I remember it. BlueState Jan 2015 #93
That was certainly our motivation. Mariana Jan 2015 #128
So Like Ernst other lies, and they are doozies, this one was based in some truth NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #77
Same here. I think she's full of shit. we can do it Jan 2015 #96
If she wore bread bags as shoes on her feet to school, the school officials would have made a trip SummerSnow Jan 2015 #111
her skirts were made out of rocks and she was damn happy to have them dembotoz Jan 2015 #142
I wore them more to get my feet out of my snow boots easier. GoCubsGo Jan 2015 #154
Grew up on Long Island, NY phylny Jan 2015 #155
They went inside the shoe marym625 Jan 2015 #4
Yep. Except for the doctor's kids. unrepentant progress Jan 2015 #14
Well! marym625 Jan 2015 #25
Mine didn't even match Blue Owl Jan 2015 #5
lol dissentient Jan 2015 #13
hilarious!!! KT2000 Jan 2015 #20
hahaha! grasswire Jan 2015 #58
DUzy! pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #64
Now THAT made me laugh out loud. phylny Jan 2015 #156
After listening to her argle bargle I think she wore that bag on her head too long. kairos12 Jan 2015 #6
Agreed~! LiberalFighter Jan 2015 #70
We were poor and 6 kids but my parents managed to shod us with Cha Jan 2015 #8
Five, all in buster browns too, every august before school started. They lasted all school year. Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #85
My parents always made sure we had good shoes. Buster Browns here! we can do it Jan 2015 #97
We wore Buster Browns too. I remember my teacher told me my daddy is rich if he buys me BB... SummerSnow Jan 2015 #103
My dad was a diesel mechanic and brick layer. we can do it Jan 2015 #108
I call total BS. I wore plastic bags on the INSIDE of my boots sometimes Peregrine Took Jan 2015 #10
Someone must be a moron. LiberalFighter Jan 2015 #71
Thats what we did.. Inside the boots or shoes.. Peacetrain Jan 2015 #110
We had rubbers or wore hand-me-downs from last year LynneSin Jan 2015 #11
She can't be very old... 2naSalit Jan 2015 #24
I would also suspect that a family of farmers would bake their own bread LynneSin Jan 2015 #29
Agreed. 2naSalit Jan 2015 #34
My mother and grandmother did sewing. LiberalFighter Jan 2015 #73
I don't recall my mom's parents doing anything but baking bread LiberalFighter Jan 2015 #69
Cost efficient? Munificence Jan 2015 #84
My grandparents raised pigs on their farm LeftOfWest Jan 2015 #131
Broad Brush? Munificence Jan 2015 #151
Calm down. LeftOfWest Jan 2015 #152
You know Munificence Jan 2015 #157
Farmers you know are pretty dumb, then. n/t tabasco Jan 2015 #135
This. n/t. LeftOfWest Jan 2015 #145
So this Munificence Jan 2015 #165
Baking bread is really easy, with the right recipe. xmas74 Jan 2015 #164
Baking bread isn't nuclear science. Anybody can learn how to do it. ladyVet Jan 2015 #170
Too busy feeding and taking care of animals. hollowdweller Jan 2015 #88
I bake my own bread. xmas74 Jan 2015 #163
No Munificence Jan 2015 #173
she was born in 1970 hfojvt Jan 2015 #37
You had duct tape when you were growing up? jmowreader Jan 2015 #44
Rubbers would fit anything but it would be easy to break. LiberalFighter Jan 2015 #72
breadbags would be useless in snow. too slick and liable to tear. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #12
Must be a Northern thang. yallerdawg Jan 2015 #16
I just watched the first couple minutes of her speech 2naSalit Jan 2015 #27
As a Yankee I never used breadbags as footwear LynneSin Jan 2015 #31
Indeed 2naSalit Jan 2015 #38
I never saw it either Skittles Jan 2015 #101
It's that yellow thing you got on after walking ten miles uphill in the snow jmowreader Jan 2015 #95
Hey, I know what snow is. yallerdawg Jan 2015 #109
We did. progressoid Jan 2015 #18
But no one actually saw your bread bags LynneSin Jan 2015 #32
Exactly how I picture it! yallerdawg Jan 2015 #40
They often stuck out of the top of the boots progressoid Jan 2015 #52
This idiot made it sound like every kid in Iowa walked around with bread bags on their feet. BlueJazz Jan 2015 #106
I sort of remember using them Beaverhausen Jan 2015 #50
Yup. I admit my mom did the bread bag trick over my shoes when TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #57
^this. surrealAmerican Jan 2015 #134
I agree Skittles Jan 2015 #19
I remember putting them *inside* our shoes in the snow to waterproof them. But... LeftyMom Jan 2015 #21
If you were that poor, Suich Jan 2015 #22
I wonder where farmers in Iowa would find the ingredients to make bread LynneSin Jan 2015 #33
Really? Munificence Jan 2015 #74
When I was on Surplus food, Suich Jan 2015 #75
You should be commended for doing it Munificence Jan 2015 #79
I had no choice. Suich Jan 2015 #126
You would be wrong about the motivation. LeftOfWest Jan 2015 #132
thank you SummerSnow Jan 2015 #113
It wasn't a "poor" thing. It was recycling. DawgHouse Jan 2015 #117
We were poor but it resulted in no bread making thankfully as my mother was not a baker. TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #123
When I was on surplus food in the 60's Suich Jan 2015 #125
I didn't say that no one bakes bread ever, I'm saying I don't know all of these poor or any bakers TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #166
My mamma baked our bread rbrnmw Jan 2015 #23
If it's the truth, you are mocking someone who has lived in poverty. 1000words Jan 2015 #26
I've known people who lived in poverty who didn't wear bread bags outside their shoes jmowreader Jan 2015 #51
Everyone's life experience is the same? 1000words Jan 2015 #53
True story. dilby Jan 2015 #30
Now that makes sense. Kind teacher, by the way. nt Hekate Jan 2015 #42
I think she meant socks oberliner Jan 2015 #35
We need to go by what she said jmowreader Jan 2015 #43
They hadn't invended bread bags when I was a kid Brother Buzz Jan 2015 #36
Rubbah slippahs in da pouring rain Hekate Jan 2015 #39
tissue paper Ramses Jan 2015 #41
Did they eat the bread first? world wide wally Jan 2015 #45
I was born in 82 and I did. Quackers Jan 2015 #46
I was middle class, wore bags in my shoes to play in the snow RedCappedBandit Jan 2015 #49
They didn't make their own bread? Not that poor then. Rex Jan 2015 #55
Seriously? Think of what you are saying. Munificence Jan 2015 #89
You have already stated that the farmers you know don't know how to make bread cheaper than tabasco Jan 2015 #137
Credibility, wow you are far too generous. Rex Jan 2015 #147
.Ok Munificence Jan 2015 #159
A dollar is a lot of money to a poor person, I guess you have no idea. Rex Jan 2015 #146
You know Rex I am gonna back up a bit here with you Munificence Jan 2015 #167
Once while camping. ThoughtCriminal Jan 2015 #56
I wore them on my feet Spirochete Jan 2015 #59
20 miles, one way to school. And when I got home I had to put it back on the bread. jtuck004 Jan 2015 #61
I've writtent this several times tonight. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #63
But she's not saying what you are. She says she and all the other kids wore them outside their shoes pnwmom Jan 2015 #82
I don't know why people would wear the sacks outside their shoes since the point in the sacks is JDPriestly Jan 2015 #150
i remember baggies. not bread bags. pansypoo53219 Jan 2015 #65
I wore plastic bags in my shoes when I was in college. I did not have good shoes. I worked JDPriestly Jan 2015 #66
My grandmother had us wear them over our socks. CANDO Jan 2015 #67
We did. In a suburb outside of DC. DebJ Jan 2015 #68
Over your shoes? How long would they last walking around in a gritty winter street? n/t pnwmom Jan 2015 #76
Joni must have eaten a lot of azmom Jan 2015 #80
Day-old bread is a common additive to animal feed jmowreader Jan 2015 #129
not long at all.... but it didn't snow often at all, and it got me to school DebJ Jan 2015 #100
While we laugh at this person, let us not forget what her agenda is for YOU NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #78
Fuck her and her bread bags. azmom Jan 2015 #118
That's right! wendylaroux Jan 2015 #140
I think it was a Republican thing liberal N proud Jan 2015 #81
Hey! I really DID walk uphill both ways to school! jmowreader Jan 2015 #99
Lot's of us did such things, for me it was hand me down shoes that already had holes in the soles. braddy Jan 2015 #83
Didn't everyone? truebrit71 Jan 2015 #86
If she was wearing them over her shoes and walked 50 feet over gravel or pavement tularetom Jan 2015 #87
Nah, I walked several blocks in the rain when I was a kid DawgHouse Jan 2015 #119
Over the shoes pipi_k Jan 2015 #90
You see people, azmom Jan 2015 #91
black galoshes that covered our shoes WhiteTara Jan 2015 #92
Kids were taught mainstreetonce Jan 2015 #94
Definite bread bags in Chicago - but only on the inside to keep our socks dry. CincyDem Jan 2015 #107
In rainy Washington state Generic Other Jan 2015 #98
I did the same. DawgHouse Jan 2015 #121
I believe I read she grew up during the Reagan admin? riverbendviewgal Jan 2015 #104
My family was so poor we lived in an empty cardboard toilet Lint Head Jan 2015 #105
I grew up on a farm, too, but there weren't such things as plastic bread bags... countryjake Jan 2015 #112
And it was a Hog Farm. alphafemale Jan 2015 #136
Agree , and LynnTTT Jan 2015 #114
I just got wet feet. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #115
Yes, I wore them on occasion, over my shoes for rain. DawgHouse Jan 2015 #116
I did wendylaroux Jan 2015 #120
Our boots came from Kmart - TBF Jan 2015 #122
All my shoes were tennis shoes tularetom Jan 2015 #124
This guy KamaAina Jan 2015 #127
No, it wasn't much weather to dictate such a thing either though. We get snow but not often a lot TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #130
I used to put pieces of cardboard in my shoes when the soles whore through. demosincebirth Jan 2015 #133
I don't remember wearing bread bags notadmblnd Jan 2015 #138
We used them when we went sledding or hooky bobbing AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #139
Only when I walked to school in 1 to 3 feet of snow LiberalEsto Jan 2015 #141
Hell to the yes!!! libodem Jan 2015 #143
We used them inside the shoes Bettie Jan 2015 #144
Overshoes weren't that expensive. moondust Jan 2015 #148
Bread bags?!? They were lucky! Zorra Jan 2015 #149
No but I did use to wear an onion on my belt CanonRay Jan 2015 #153
Originally from "Grandpa" of the Simpsons. Coventina Jan 2015 #158
Thanks, did not know that! CanonRay Jan 2015 #169
From the episode "Last Exit to Springfield". Coventina Jan 2015 #171
One pair of school shoes ellie Jan 2015 #160
We didn't have bread bags.... Champion Jack Jan 2015 #161
I do not think we were rich quaker bill Jan 2015 #168
Galoshes were too expensive for us. ladyVet Jan 2015 #172
This whole thread has made me feel much less abnormal. Butterbean Jan 2015 #174
inside the shoes or boots, when snow was heavy or they sprang a leak. Yep. bettyellen Jan 2015 #175
We didn't use them in Illinois. We would have laughed our ass off if we would had seen B Calm Jan 2015 #176
wonder what the brand name was for RED bags that riversedge Jan 2015 #177
LOL Faux pas Jan 2015 #178
I never heard of breadbags on shoes before Tuesday. ananda Jan 2015 #179
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