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MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. I don't believe them and wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, and you shouldn't either.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jan 2015

How soon some forget?

AARP lost MILLIONS of members over their donut hole position.

I don't personally know a single Democrat over the age of 65 who believes their bullshit. I do know people who remember how badly that donut hole fucked them over, though--and they're out the other end of it and still have not forgotten.

Now me, I'm a lucky so-and-so...I get my prescriptions, when I need them, on a military base for free. However, I've been in the drugstore and seen the stricken looks of customers asked to fork over hundreds for a prescription...so fuck AARP and their donut hole--they are lobbying tools of Big GOP Pharma and the Bill Frist Medical Industry. The woman who is the face of that organization got her start as a Reagan appointee at HUD, and the GOP has been very, very good to her, pushing her up the ladder and in the system until she broke out as a glorified lobbyist for business--not people. She's dancing with the ones what brung her, make no mistake.

Consider the source....ALWAYS. I sure do.

Here--take a walk down memory lane--can't believe you, of all people, could forget this so easily: http://prospect.org/article/seduction





Democrats didn't know about Hansen's e-mail. In fact, when recently told about it, one Democratic staffer expressed shock and said that AARP "double-crossed us." But the GOP's business allies saw the e-mail. The White House sent it out to key Republican lobbyists and such groups as the National Association of Manufacturers and the Business Roundtable to make sure they knew that AARP was still on board. Over the next weeks, AARP leaders worked closely with House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to craft a final bill. It passed the House on November 22 in the early morning hours, when GOP leaders left the vote open for a totally unprecedented three hours after they were initially unable to get the votes needed for passage.

Three days later the bill passed the Senate and, on December 8, President Bush signed it into law, which AARP hailed as "an important step toward fulfilling a longstanding promise to older and disabled Americans." Suddenly, the AARP wasn't looking like such a liberal Democratic ally.

For many Democrats, AARP's support for last November's Medicare prescription-drug bill came as a total shock. Not only could the law cause millions of seniors to lose more generous employer and state-coordinated drug benefits while providing only limited help to others; it is a major step toward the Republican Party's goal of privatizing Medicare and decimating employer-based health coverage.


To those few who were really watching closely, however, AARP's actions were not a surprise at all, and the group's conversion was anything but sudden. The story of the Republicans' seduction of AARP unfolded over nearly a decade, as GOP leaders cajoled, seduced, and occasionally threatened the group's leaders into changing their ways and accepting the reality of Republican congressional control. Today, with bad policy already law, the stakes are incredibly high, as regulations to implement the law loom, along with bills to repeal some of its worst aspects. And they will grow higher still if President Bush is re-elected and Republicans can continue toward their ultimate goals. As the battle to preserve Medicare unfolds, Democrats who were surprised by the bill's passage last November should understand a key part of the story, which has not been told, of how it happened.

Possibly the least surprised man in Washington last fall was Newt Gingrich. The former House speaker, who told a Blue Cross conference in 1995 that Medicare as a "government monopoly plan" was going to "wither on the vine" in favor of a Republican-designed "free-market plan," has spent the last nine years manipulating AARP.


I'm pretty confident that if Elizabeth Warren had been in the Senate when they were ramming that bill through, she would have had something to say about it--AND AARP...!
Everybody Matters [View all] sheshe2 Jan 2015 OP
once again, great post sheshe! napkinz Jan 2015 #1
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K & R, a great post. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #2
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K & R! Iliyah Jan 2015 #6
for an opposing opinion here is Iowa's own Steve King rurallib Jan 2015 #7
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+10000 sheshe2 Jan 2015 #9
a "deportable" ? treestar Jan 2015 #167
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #10
Thank you WillyT sheshe2 Jan 2015 #146
I've been thoroughly frustrated with some actions, inactions and decisions; but ultimately he's... rwsanders Jan 2015 #11
Yes, and it matters so much that we have President Obama who actually feels that way.. thank Cha Jan 2015 #12
I loved that part of his speech Cha! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #13
Yes again.. and to those who are saying it was "meaningless".. I say Cha Jan 2015 #16
I saw Amelia in the balcony with Michelle last night. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #17
A life lived with honor, and honor recieved. People who walk the high road... Beautiful. freshwest Jan 2015 #43
Well said, fresh~ Cha Jan 2015 #47
seeing Michelle Obama at the SOTU last night, and then here in this pic KMOD Jan 2015 #14
What about the doubling of homeless students? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #15
Talk is cheap. I agree. So..... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #18
1. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #20
Dayum! I knew of the satire Manny's KMOD Jan 2015 #24
Oh, Manny's pretty well had it with the rapacious Predator Class MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #29
Lol~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #126
They've redefined "homeless" so the districts get more money--that's what is happening here. MADem Jan 2015 #48
Are you claiming that "homelessness" was redefined MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #53
I am TELLING you that homelessness was first redefined by NCLB, and MADem Jan 2015 #58
Yet another attempt at an "adult conversation" goes down in flames Number23 Jan 2015 #63
Hah! MADem Jan 2015 #67
Thank you Number23! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #80
Whoop. There it is! bettyellen Jan 2015 #117
Thanks MADem. I think the hope was that no one would actually bother to read the link. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #76
These are very old, very lame arguments being dragged out, all they're doing is derailing. MADem Jan 2015 #85
"I feel sorry for people who are like that--imagine having to go through life looking for Cha Jan 2015 #86
Boom! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #128
Next to last paragraph is THE definition of a concern troll. Or just a plain troll. freshwest Jan 2015 #91
Agreed sheshe2 Jan 2015 #98
First sign of derailment or utter cluelessness, use this to alert those that their posts are: freshwest Jan 2015 #121
Pitch Perfect as always. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #123
Superb illustration!!!!!!!!! nt MADem Jan 2015 #124
Those values need to be discussed. The love they express resonate around the planet: freshwest Jan 2015 #130
Thank you freshwest~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #144
gathered from RW memes treestar Jan 2015 #172
Oh wow, thank you for that! treestar Jan 2015 #171
so get congress to pass a law that will help with that treestar Jan 2015 #169
2. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #21
3. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #22
I already knew this. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #25
3a. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #28
Poor thing.. desperately reaching for straws .. trying to bring others down to his level Cha Jan 2015 #31
As usual, a totally fact-free attack on the messenger MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #35
K~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #147
Lol!!! bravenak Jan 2015 #198
I'd love to hear a substantive response as well. /nt Marr Jan 2015 #45
Care to answer the OP Marr? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #129
There's no question in your OP. Again, a substantive response to the info that Manny Marr Jan 2015 #134
Actually Marr this is my Op. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #136
Why should you have responded? Marr Jan 2015 #151
What an arrogant post. Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #177
That was a very lame attempt at changing the subject. Marr Jan 2015 #178
Thank you MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #184
"I'm glad some other folks see things the same way I do." Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #185
On what specific issues do Boehner and I agree? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #186
THREAD. WINNER. Number23 Jan 2015 #190
You're very welcome. Marr Jan 2015 #187
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #179
Excellent reply Marr. Not everyone agrees that Obama's actions match his words Vattel Jan 2015 #181
Thank you. Marr Jan 2015 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Jan 2015 #204
Poor thing.. a "messenger" of ***.. Cha Jan 2015 #37
More fact-free hate from you MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #39
Love you Cha! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #145
Pay no mind. MADem Jan 2015 #50
Yes it does make DU suck. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #81
Thank you. MADem Jan 2015 #83
Thanks for all of that! Every word rings true. freshwest Jan 2015 #92
Why quote AARP for anything? Those are the bastards who endorsed the drug donut hole for seniors. MADem Jan 2015 #49
Do you disagree with their numbers? nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #54
I don't believe them and wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, and you shouldn't either. MADem Jan 2015 #55
If Ted Cruz said the Earth is a sphere MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #56
When you have to bring TED CRUZ into the discussion to justify your adoration of AARP, you've MADem Jan 2015 #57
Bravo! Jeff Rosenzweig Jan 2015 #59
So you don't refute the numbers given, MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #66
Oh boy...now you're trying out the "So you don't..." canard! Damn, you got a whole MADem Jan 2015 #70
Beautifully done Number23 Jan 2015 #69
Yes ma'am! MADem Jan 2015 #71
Damn that was fine! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #82
Bravo! Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #154
Brilliant MADem. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #64
I love music...any kind of music!!! MADem Jan 2015 #65
Ooooooh! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #84
4. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #23
DO NOT THROW SENATOR WARREN IN MY FACE! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #32
You asked for documentation of my assertions MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #33
Got it. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #40
So you agree that Sen Warren backs my assertion? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #41
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #127
And... I simply did what you asked MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #42
Bull, sheshe2 Jan 2015 #72
Oh Manny~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #137
That looks like an interesting story from the Chicago Tribune on Obama-Warren for the Dems in 2016.. Cha Jan 2015 #87
She is not running Cha. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #88
I know she's not but they don't know that.. and, yet they're still trying to divide. not smart at Cha Jan 2015 #89
Not smart Cha~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #90
5. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #26
Let me know if there's anything else you need. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #27
So now that I've documented each statement I made, MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #30
Using right wing lobbyists in bed with the GOP as your "proof".... MADem Jan 2015 #61
You are free to refute any numbers, although MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #68
Ha ha ha! MADem Jan 2015 #78
Oh @#$%!!! Jan Schakowski is a right wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!! MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #94
Check out who's running AARP, why doncha? A 1981 Reagan appointee. MADem Jan 2015 #108
Americans need to know about Jan Schakowski, no? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #110
Ooooooooh, why don't you start a thread, then, if you feel they "need to know!" MADem Jan 2015 #113
Given how passionate you are about the AARP's numbers being right wing propaganda MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #115
Now you know what to do with your little Jan Scakoswski goalpost, don't you, Manny? MADem Jan 2015 #116
And as you may already know... MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #118
Gee, Manny, are you advertising your good luck, or boasting about your bad behavior? MADem Jan 2015 #120
Holy~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #141
Holy Cow! Even Elizabeth Warren's a right-wing lobbyist in bed with the GOP!!! MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #100
Holy Cow!! Using citations that are almost TWO YEARS OLD to try to get people upset! MADem Jan 2015 #106
It's amazing. How do you do that? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #107
Really, Manny? You've never seen goal posts moved like that? Take a look at your conduct in this MADem Jan 2015 #111
I think the homeless, the elderly, and the poor matter, too. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #112
Well, gosh, there Mister Irony--you might have thought about that before you derailed this thread. MADem Jan 2015 #114
You took a dump... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #142
Take your damn cow out to pasture. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #159
BOOM! glasshouses Jan 2015 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #19
LOL, do some research... it's well known why the stats have shot up. Jeeze, what bullshit. bettyellen Jan 2015 #119
What program was not implemented? treestar Jan 2015 #168
The *** is strong with that one.. I got just the Cha Jan 2015 #34
Kick kick kick! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #36
Consider this one, sweets: freshwest Jan 2015 #44
Thank you freshwest sheshe2 Jan 2015 #52
That seems to be *all* you have. /nt Marr Jan 2015 #46
I'm half Native American Terra Alta Jan 2015 #51
EVERYBODY matters--and you are right. He does relate to people. MADem Jan 2015 #133
Kicking for Native Americans!!!! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #158
I am so sorry that your lovely thread, with such great pictures, was derailed so precipitously. MADem Jan 2015 #60
Thank you MADem. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #62
Kick sheshe2 Jan 2015 #73
Kicking for exposure! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #74
Kick sheshe2 Jan 2015 #75
Thanks for this thread sheshe. You're the best. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #77
Love you Tarheel~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #79
Kick for exposure in more ways than one. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #93
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k&r... spanone Jan 2015 #97
I.... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #131
Kicking for this sweet child that another wanted to silence, sheshe2 Jan 2015 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #101
Kicking for the people that were mentioned here... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #102
That is the sweetest picture ever - thanks you! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #191
K&R ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #103
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Sigh. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #109
This thread is like Maya Angelou....And Still I Rise!!!!! MADem Jan 2015 #122
I Rise~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #125
This is Democratic Underground. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #105
So much inclusiveness. No one is left out. DU should support this message! freshwest Jan 2015 #132
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Bingo! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #143
KnR my dears Hekate Jan 2015 #135
Agreed, it's why I'm vegan. flvegan Jan 2015 #139
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Kick for the children. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #148
Kick for~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #149
what is amazing it how Michelle looks like Sasha in this pic Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #150
And Kick for the fact that some people tried to derail a thread... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #152
No, we just think that all Americans should have equal opportunity for better lives MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #153
You just don't get it and never will. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #155
It is pretty obvious to anyone reading this thread what's going on here. MADem Jan 2015 #156
K~big breath. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #157
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Good advice Number23. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #162
I'm not suggesting that you use the DU ignore function but the ignore function in your head Number23 Jan 2015 #183
I've got something to say about the hidden post... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #209
+100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #216
Oh BS. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #188
That may be true. Hopefully she'll steer clear of you from now on Number23 Jan 2015 #189
And another lowbrow attack by you MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #192
0-7 jury results on your alert Number23 Jan 2015 #193
LOL MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #194
"Flailing" is what you've done all up and down this thread for the last five days. Number23 Jan 2015 #195
Do you have any specific disagreements with anything I wrote? MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #196
Manny, go do this with someone that hasn't seen right through you for more years than you've been Number23 Jan 2015 #197
Kick! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #210
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Jan 2015 #205
for me, Manny, I think that all Americans should have equal justice under the law. grasswire Jan 2015 #200
No justice, no peace. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #203
Beautiful OP! Spazito Jan 2015 #161
What an awesome dude madokie Jan 2015 #163
I love you madokie! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #164
I love you too Sheshe2 madokie Jan 2015 #165
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You~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #170
K&R Skidmore Jan 2015 #173
Hey Skidmore~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #174
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Kick! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #175
K&R for being absolutely right... giftedgirl77 Jan 2015 #180
K&R! Thanks for these beautiful images, she. They made my dreary day sunny again. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #199
I could never believe this about you. In_The_Wind Jan 2015 #201
Thanks for posting that link. Number23 Jan 2015 #206
Hi there Number23. I noticed in that thread that you referred to my post to you from this thread... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #214
posted to for later. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #202
K&R. Everybody *does* matter... YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #207
Yes, everybody matters. On a profoundly personal level. lovemydog Jan 2015 #208
I am so sorry your thread was trashed, sheshe2. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #211
You are so kind and thoughtful, sheshe2. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #212
Well, to be honest about it . . . Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #215
K&R! betsuni Jan 2015 #213
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K & R. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #218
K&R. TexasTowelie Sep 2016 #219
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