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Hassin Bin Sober

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44. Covering up a substantial part of your identifying features kinda defeats the point of a "mug shot"
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jan 2015

And yes, your hair, head shape, ears, etc. are part of your identifying features.

Duh.

As long as she is treated the same as others. LiberalFighter Jan 2015 #1
agreed.... chillfactor Jan 2015 #4
The hijab doesn't cover the face, so she is being consistent etherealtruth Jan 2015 #7
She is wearing what they insisted she remove. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #17
Good. I hope she wins. Defense wouldn't want me on a jury here. closeupready Jan 2015 #2
female Muslims often remove their hijabs... chillfactor Jan 2015 #6
Just because some choose to, Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #19
Why? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #18
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #21
Why? It is a police booking picture yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #43
Imo a grey area legally. Weapons can certainly be hidden under the hijab, no question. riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #3
She did request a female officer to take the photo and was denied. tammywammy Jan 2015 #5
In my mind that is the pertinent part etherealtruth Jan 2015 #8
This isn't fully explained in the article glasshouses Jan 2015 #12
There is some difference, because the hijab is a religious covering .... etherealtruth Jan 2015 #16
Thats true that headcoverings are mainly cultural riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #30
I will be very interested to see how this plays out n/t etherealtruth Jan 2015 #33
good point Vattel Jan 2015 #100
That was a big mistake right there. HappyMe Jan 2015 #11
Yes I think they blundered there LiberalElite Jan 2015 #65
she wasn't denied TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #22
Its not clear in the article that a female officer was around riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #25
It's a reasonable request. And I am a great supporter of religious rights. onehandle Jan 2015 #9
I have to remove my hat and sunglasses to enter my credit union. MindPilot Jan 2015 #10
what an odd comparison CatWoman Jan 2015 #13
What's odd about it? MindPilot Jan 2015 #15
Because removing the hijab would not be required Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #20
Except the free exercise of religion DOES have legal constraints, one of which is a compelling mnhtnbb Jan 2015 #45
Booking photos are primarily used for identification. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #46
If Muslim women were singled out during the booking process, GGJohn Jan 2015 #48
Not entirely true. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #50
But that "free" expression isn't really free. The US has many laws riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #52
There are exceptions to the free exercise of faith, GGJohn Jan 2015 #55
It actually isn't. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #56
Well, you'll have to take it up with the nation's jails, because this is pretty much the GGJohn Jan 2015 #58
Can you provide those links on recent legal rulings on mug shot photos allowing the hijab? riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #69
There are two in the article, which I have provided several times. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #70
So two cases that settled rather than try to win in court... riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #72
Odd thought, but if she always wears it, it could be easier to treestar Jan 2015 #73
And next she will be suing the local emergency room for providing a male doctor Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #14
I don't see that she has a case here. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #23
Agreed n/t JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #35
The things you cited are not similar. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #47
Bullshit. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #54
It is clear you have no respect or understanding for the religious tolerance Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #57
It is clear you have no respect or understanding for the judicial precendence where religious MohRokTah Jan 2015 #59
Sure. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #66
Precedence in these cases almost always come down on the side of jailors and prisons. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #71
And it's clear you have no understanding of the process for GGJohn Jan 2015 #61
The constitution applies to both. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #63
And there are exceptions allowed, GGJohn Jan 2015 #64
Actually, it doesn't completely. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #68
the Hijab is also not religious, it is cultural... the Koran only calls for 'modesty' JCMach1 Jan 2015 #75
You don't get to decide for someone else what is religious and what is cultural Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #77
Islam is VERY PRECISE about what it believes... That is quite different from Baptists, etc. JCMach1 Jan 2015 #80
It is actually no more precise than Christianity is. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #84
JC Mach is a Muslim nt riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #85
And I am a Quaker. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #86
He's also lived for many, many years in the Middle East as a teacher riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #88
I don't have the right to tell him what his own religious practices require - Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #92
your concept of variation applies to religious rules i.e. dogma JCMach1 Jan 2015 #96
Sorry but I guess I just disagree. riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #97
Wow... you can't be Muslim and doubt the text of the Koran JCMach1 Jan 2015 #94
I don't either. Silly lawsuit. 840high Jan 2015 #95
ridiculous lawsuit belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #24
No. A hijab is not required in the Qu'ran. riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #27
yea i didnt think so sounds more"i'll show you " belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #28
Outsiders don't get to tell Muslims what their faith dictates. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #49
I've read the Qu'ran. There's no requirement for a headscarf riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #51
Reading the Quran Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #62
I don't pretend to be an expert in all Islamic variations riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #67
+1000, the Koran calls for 'modesty' JCMach1 Jan 2015 #76
She could have avoided the situation if she had hadn't gotten traffic tickets, Fla Dem Jan 2015 #41
that being said i dont see why they couldnt have provided her a woman to do this belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #74
they couldn't because there was no female officer at the station TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #89
That is racist . Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #26
You do realize that religion is not the same as race? NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #31
OK...Bigotry...but you knew what I meant. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #32
This was a booking photo, there was no bigotry, racism, or discrimination involved, GGJohn Jan 2015 #34
I'm a progressive who does NOT embrace cultural relativism. riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #36
Requiring a person to remove all head and or face coverings wjhile being booked is NOT bigotry etherealtruth Jan 2015 #37
There are limits though. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #38
Who is imposing their culture on whom, again? Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #40
Nice post, Ben Affleck! Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #78
she hasnt sued anyone yet according to the story belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #29
frivolous lawsuit. when you get arrested, that means you get searched and geek tragedy Jan 2015 #39
We are not bound to respect your damn dark ages Religious laws alphafemale Jan 2015 #42
What about your personal dignity? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #53
You can take photos of tattoos and most birthmarks without requiring someone to strip. alphafemale Jan 2015 #98
Covering up a substantial part of your identifying features kinda defeats the point of a "mug shot" Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2015 #44
We are a secular society. Learn it live it or leave it boomer55 Jan 2015 #60
Not secular enough. earthside Jan 2015 #82
I understand Rolo Jan 2015 #79
What form of Islam tells her she can break the law, refuse her fines and continue to drive under Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #81
Would a traditionally dressed Christian nun have to remove her wimple? Coventina Jan 2015 #83
this is why we can't have nice things Egnever Jan 2015 #87
I don't know this is crossing into freedom of expression JonLP24 Jan 2015 #90
she will win if they made her keep the scarf off -other then a search or booking photo. Sunlei Jan 2015 #91
No matter what the religion, the religious practice it ardently only when it serves themselves to do Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #93
Reasonable request. Thanks for clogging up the courts with nonsense. ARMYofONE Jan 2015 #99
Woman struggling to survive in economy where the rich are special and everyone else is shit NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #101
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