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leveymg

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14. Even the worst forecast called for a storm surge less than a quarter that during Sandy

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:33 PM

Jan 2015

About 2-3 feet above normal. The damage due to Sandy was from the rise in tide levels due to an extraordinary confluence of factors that flooded some parts of the NYC subways. Yesterday was not that kind of event. Sandy saw levels nearly 13 feet above normal. See,

Superstorm Sandy A Look at Coastal Flooding in Greenwich
https://oldgreenwich.org/s/Sandy-A-Look-at-Coastal-Flooding.pdf

Apr 16, 2013 - Observed water level minus predicted tide = surge. As seen ... Kings Point, N.Y.: ~12.5 feet above normal ... NOAA Records on Sandy Surges.

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A storm tracks 50 miles more to the east than expected and some folks get angry at the warnings and [View all] stevenleser Jan 2015 OP

I think the most melodramatic, hair-on-fire reactions on DU are by individuals alleging LanternWaste Jan 2015 #1

Some people just aren't happy unless they are "justifiably" miserable. kentauros Jan 2015 #2

There was no reason to shut down the subway other than to lock-down NYC leveymg Jan 2015 #3

Puh-leeeeze. Agschmid Jan 2015 #5

Scoff if you like, but this is what many New Yorkers have concluded leveymg Jan 2015 #8

So politics is a better filter than safety? Agschmid Jan 2015 #27

Yes there is reason to do so. Knowledge gained from past snowstorms. stevenleser Jan 2015 #6

The system never stopped running, Steven. leveymg Jan 2015 #9

Yes, they ran them only in the underground areas. You understand that, right? nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #15

Yes, Steven, but they also shut down the underground, most of the system. Understand that? leveymg Jan 2015 #16

Pretty easy to Monday morning quarterback now. HappyMe Jan 2015 #17

Actually, it was easy to see why shutting down the subway was a really bad idea, even if forecasts leveymg Jan 2015 #20

I would rather have him err on HappyMe Jan 2015 #21

The fact is, he erred because he could. leveymg Jan 2015 #23

What? HappyMe Jan 2015 #24

Has to do with social control, and its acceptance. leveymg Jan 2015 #26

Your observation is off. Agschmid Jan 2015 #29

You are reading way, way too much into this. HappyMe Jan 2015 #32

I don't like this aspect of the new normal - municipal lockdowns - do you? leveymg Jan 2015 #34

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #28

The subway took a pounding in Sandy KamaAina Jan 2015 #10

The storm surge is nowhere near as extreme. Snow, now turning to dirty NYC street slush. leveymg Jan 2015 #12

Well, of course not, because the storm tracked farther east than forecast. KamaAina Jan 2015 #13

Even the worst forecast called for a storm surge less than a quarter that during Sandy leveymg Jan 2015 #14

The subway closure had nothing to do with the storm surge IMO. Agschmid Jan 2015 #30

That's exactly my point. Track flooding would be a legitimate reason to shut down the system leveymg Jan 2015 #33

No I think it had to do with the fact that it's not safe to ask MTA workers... Agschmid Jan 2015 #35

Reason to shut down the A to GWB/Wash Hgts, perhaps, but not the entire system leveymg Jan 2015 #37

Oh, I dunno ... how about not having people stranded walking to and from subway stations ? Myrina Jan 2015 #18

I Get RobinA Jan 2015 #19

+1000. "Dept. of Homeland Security (GAH, I HATE that name) mentality at work" kath Jan 2015 #22

Why do they lock-down cities? Because they can, so they do. leveymg Jan 2015 #25

Things like that happen here in Minnesota all the time. MineralMan Jan 2015 #4

OK to make some happy lets go back to the old way with nothing but total gridlock on the east coast ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #7

Some people are never happy. HappyMe Jan 2015 #11

You know who to thank... zappaman Jan 2015 #31

I am overjoyed. Shoveling was so much eaxier than I expected this morning. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #36