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proverbialwisdom

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157. These aren't mutually exclusive considerations.

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 01:53 PM

Jan 2015

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024502342#post6
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014430520#post17

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014319987#post88
http://www.fourteenstudies.org/history.html
http://www.fourteenstudies.org/studies.html
http://www.pressherald.com/2014/09/02/maine-voices-breakdown-in-accountability-at-heart-of-decline-in-vaccinations/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017183991
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10592519
...because CDC whistleblower Dr. William W. Thompson (site search)
...because #HearThisWell youtube and twitter (site search)

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Why would your un-vaccinated kids be a threat to my vaccinated kids? [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 OP

Lovely Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #1

really. way to win over the other side. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #2

It's really transparent Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #4

I don't think vaccines in general are ineffective. I just don't think this kind of attack is ND-Dem Jan 2015 #7

This is a way to turn people off, very rude and typical Tumbulu Jan 2015 #25

+1 lunasun Jan 2015 #130

Anti-vaxxers won't be swayed by anything Stargazer09 Jan 2015 #33

They won't be swayed by crap like this, that's for sure. I can only assume there's no desire ND-Dem Jan 2015 #46

If they ignore science, doctors, etc. Stargazer09 Jan 2015 #106

Idiocy rarely needs validation or solidification. Idiots are rarely swayed by science... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #158

I put anti-vaxxers on ignore. Buh bye MohRokTah Jan 2015 #8

Exactly. nt enlightenment Jan 2015 #9

"Health industrial complex"? NuclearDem Jan 2015 #12

Vaccinate your kids. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #20

It's not about winning the hearts and minds of the galactically stupid Major Nikon Jan 2015 #113

Exactly. Anti-vaxxers are fucking DANGEROUS morons. n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #120

I don't think that kind of insulting presentation wins over anyone or inoculates anyone. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #126

It's not trying to win over anyone, it's just pointing out zappaman Jan 2015 #133

to me it points out how stupid & low-rent anti-anti-vaxxers are. ymmv. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #135

"Anti-anti-vaxxers"! zappaman Jan 2015 #136

It's the new term anti-vaxxers came up with Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2015 #154

And by your own logic how stupid & low-rent anti-anti-anti-vaxxers are Major Nikon Jan 2015 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jan 2015 #15

That jumped out at me too. cwydro Jan 2015 #34

Well, if I had to pick who hated kids more, JoeyT Jan 2015 #36

Vile. Chemisse Jan 2015 #3

Anti-vaxxers cannot be reached. They are idiots. Codeine Jan 2015 #6

Ouch... bobclark86 Jan 2015 #114

Hear, hear. Iggo Jan 2015 #124

Maybe it will give someone on the fence, something to think about. progressoid Jan 2015 #10

I don't think I would ever listen to someone who called children "crotch fruit." Chemisse Jan 2015 #11

they only called the un-"vaxed" children "crotch fruit" or "rugrats" TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #18

But it isn't the children who made the decision. kcr Jan 2015 #85

Agree. nt cwydro Jan 2015 #92

so that would rule out everyone quoting the king james bible and "fruit of my loins"? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #93

Maybe it's just me, but the word crotch Chemisse Jan 2015 #94

Haha they are both just words Alittleliberal Jan 2015 #123

all words are just 'words' -- and people do get to 'arbitrarily' decide which words are acceptable ND-Dem Jan 2015 #125

Really? Chemisse Jan 2015 #140

No. It's describing exactly the same thing. alphafemale Jan 2015 #144

Use your imagination. Chemisse Jan 2015 #145

Oh I have used my imagination alphafemale Jan 2015 #146

same way "fuck" and "intercourse" refer the same thing. yet one is vulgar, the other clinical. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #159

When will this vile anti-Saxon prejudice EVER stop?? eridani Feb 2015 #167

"Why do you hate children" is not a particularly effective counter... NuclearDem Jan 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jan 2015 #17

Yes, it's vile. I thnk we can assume it's not intended to reach anyone, but to alienate them. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #22

yeah right zappaman Jan 2015 #29

Umm. I don't find the article neutrally written, nor the researcher particularly credible. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #47

That's not acually what the study shows. Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #49

People who want to use proven scientific techniques tabasco Jan 2015 #88

I think you're wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #23

I understand what you are saying, but this kind of language tends to polarize. Chemisse Jan 2015 #31

agreed, really vile and counterproductive (nt) Tumbulu Jan 2015 #26

oh please zappaman Jan 2015 #28

The only issue I can compare it to in terms of willful ignorance is climate change Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #32

Interesting study. Chemisse Jan 2015 #35

excellent post, Chemisse KMOD Jan 2015 #39

Thanks. Chemisse Jan 2015 #84

Exactly. I wasn't going to get a flu shot because I knew I would probably recover ok if I got GoneFishin Jan 2015 #109

But you wouldn't be the person who irritated him into voicing things that way.... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #110

It may work with some people, and backfire with others. It would not work with me. GoneFishin Jan 2015 #116

And once again, with feeling: you are not the one that anyone is trying to convince with this.... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #139

I got the shot too. In fact I get it every year, yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #153

I agree. There's pardoy of the anti-vaxxer movement and then there's this. kcr Jan 2015 #86

Indeed. This is really similar to Chemisse Jan 2015 #87

Nothing else works either, though. alarimer Jan 2015 #108

The only thing that would work is CPS The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #163

This isn't to reach them, it is to shame and ridicule them. With good reason. morningfog Jan 2015 #142

Good post, sometimes facts need to be stated strongly for some to understand. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #14

Of course, if someone doesn't vaccinate their kids for every other malady under the sun, truedelphi Jan 2015 #16

ALL ANTI-VAXXERS MUST BE IGNORED EOM MohRokTah Jan 2015 #21

OMG I WAS VACCINATED AND HAVE MIGRAINES AND COLITIS GIVE ME $$$$$!!!11! REP Jan 2015 #115

Because some babies are too young to vaccinate. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #19

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service KMOD Jan 2015 #24

counterproductive and needlessly insulting Tumbulu Jan 2015 #27

Yes, because being sweet and polite when it comes to these idiots works soooo well. zappaman Jan 2015 #30

I know plenty of people who have changed their minds laundry_queen Jan 2015 #43

I kind of wonder whether things like Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #56

zappaman has already shown us the only study that matters. multiple times. it PROVES that ND-Dem Jan 2015 #61

Nah, they're just self entitled fucking morons... zappaman Jan 2015 #66

Do you consider them to be better or worse than gun owners? eom Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #80

If I remember right madville Jan 2015 #99

I'm pretty sure it's just a vocal minority. Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #105

Beyond ignorant classykaren Jan 2015 #112

arglebargle ND-Dem Jan 2015 #127

Yes, Hannah...that describes an anti-vaxxers argument perfectly. zappaman Jan 2015 #134

Obvious, yes? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #141

What a concept! Chemisse Jan 2015 #95

posting that 'study' over and over isn't changing anyone's mind either. and it's ironic you'd claim ND-Dem Jan 2015 #48

I sencerely hope you didn't hurt anyones feelings! Jim Beard Jan 2015 #64

Please bluestateguy Jan 2015 #103

Voltaire and Twain were needlessly insulting to idiots both at home and abroad too. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #161

Anti-vaxxers are abusing their children, and other people's children too. DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #37

2 per thousand, per the CDC Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #40

This is over the top. I was ok until #3... mountain grammy Jan 2015 #38

Way too rude for my tastes Reter Jan 2015 #41

and it pretty much never changes someone's mind. nt laundry_queen Jan 2015 #44

I swear,...there are times.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #42

Bereaved mom of a week-old infant interviewed on CNN this past week. Whooping cough. Hekate Jan 2015 #45

Babies are born with their mom's immune systems KMOD Jan 2015 #50

Myth WestCoastLib Jan 2015 #53

Let me be more clear, KMOD Jan 2015 #54

Not really. Old graveyards are full of stone Angels drooping over little graves. Hekate Jan 2015 #75

I see that every day in old records.... Historic NY Jan 2015 #77

Our home got tagged for typhoid exposure in 1956, until we all tested clean. Tubercular kids... Hekate Jan 2015 #119

... ND-Dem Jan 2015 #51

Do you have children? KMOD Jan 2015 #52

what does your question have to do with my post? did you read it? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #55

Yes, I did. KMOD Jan 2015 #57

and understood the two points: 1) pertussis vaccine was changed about 2000; 2) new vaccine ND-Dem Jan 2015 #58

I have niece's and grand niece's and nephews that have KMOD Jan 2015 #59

so what? that doesn't mean the vaccine is 100% effective, and it doesn't mean that the ND-Dem Jan 2015 #60

Look, the standard and necessary vaccines are still KMOD Jan 2015 #62

yes, it's all about the immigrants... ND-Dem Jan 2015 #63

No it's not! KMOD Jan 2015 #65

did you read my post, or you just want to talk to yourself? In a study of over 6000 cases, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #68

Look, I thought we were in a discussion about vaccination. KMOD Jan 2015 #69

And I'm saying that in that CDC study of 6000+ cases, half of those who got whooping cough ND-Dem Jan 2015 #71

This smiling North Korean agrees! zappaman Jan 2015 #67

wtf? you're disputing CDC data? Is it unscientific too? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #70

No Hannah, I'm saying anti-vaxxers are fucking morons. n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #72

I hope I don't scare you, KMOD Jan 2015 #73

i see; you don't really care about the data. you just want to call names. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #74

Your data is disingenious KMOD Jan 2015 #76

It's not my data; it's from the Centers for Disease Control. I'd say it carries more authority than ND-Dem Jan 2015 #91

Oh god, is that really her again? That explains a lot. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #128

Indeed. zappaman Jan 2015 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author rsk Jan 2015 #121

Thanks for this informative post. rsk Jan 2015 #122

If your argument is made up of insults Hari Seldon Jan 2015 #78

I look at it as Satire. Jim Beard Jan 2015 #96

Disney measles HockeyMom Jan 2015 #79

It'd be nice if my doc brought that up Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #81

Thank you! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #155

I'd love to see someone post something similar to this, directed at gun owners. Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #82

I agree. I am amazed to see bbgrunt Jan 2015 #117

Agree with the premise, disagree with the tone otis50 Jan 2015 #83

sometimes you need a 2x4 smacked alongside the head dembotoz Jan 2015 #89

Because anti-vaccination folks madville Jan 2015 #100

I have mixed feelings about this message. While I think not vaccinating kids is foolish; deafskeptic Jan 2015 #90

Appreciate the good information and your experience. I admire courage like yours a appalachiablue Jan 2015 #97

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #98

Here is the thing bluestateguy Jan 2015 #101

Why are you so damned nasty with these vax posts? upaloopa Jan 2015 #102

Mirrors my own views perfectly. procon Jan 2015 #104

I'm not that old, but... Stargazer09 Jan 2015 #107

Some kids got it worse than others. Chemisse Jan 2015 #147

I do remember polio, Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #151

Yes, this is made up of a lot of insults. But I think the point is being missed... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #111

Anti-vaxxers are to be shamed and shunned, they are immune to logic and facts. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #118

I remember a girlfriend of mine Stellar Jan 2015 #129

A less coarse version was posted on March 18, 2014 by Diana MacPherson on "Canadian Atheist" website proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #131

Why don't you define your terms? ANS: You cannot without insulting the bulk of the world's people. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #138

"CDC releases a statement on their web site confirming that the study parameters were changed GoneFishin Jan 2015 #143

Thanks. Here's a response to that statement and a 2004 letter written by Dr. Thompson. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #150

Is there a larger problem regarding autism, i.e. the link to sources of mercury? AntiFascist Jan 2015 #156

These aren't mutually exclusive considerations. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #157

My fear is that the wrong industry is getting the majority blame for skyrocketing rates of autism... AntiFascist Feb 2015 #164

Not when "thousands of parents" report the same sequence, as described by Mary Holland. proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #165

More. proverbialwisdom Feb 2015 #166

Fuck tone. Iggo Jan 2015 #148

A Brief, Blanket Response From the Poster Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2015 #149

I agree totally with the sentiment and the presented facts. drm604 Jan 2015 #152

K&R for using the term 'crotch-fruit'! Rex Jan 2015 #160

LOL madokie Jan 2015 #162