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hugo_from_TN

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5. Yes in the 13th century

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Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:53 AM

Feb 2015

Which is why most of us would like the Muslim religion (extremists, excuse me), to move to the 21st century post haste.

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Burning people to death. Didn't Christians do that a few years back? [View all] MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 OP

Suspected witches were never burned in this country, cwydro Feb 2015 #1

But they *were* slowly pressed to death with great weights, IIRC MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #3

More than 200 years ago... n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #46

just one was pressed to death Marrah_G Feb 2015 #107

And nineteen were hanged jmowreader Feb 2015 #225

Yes- it was a scary time Marrah_G Feb 2015 #234

I've only been once jmowreader Feb 2015 #235

It's insane in October and if you actually live there it's hell Marrah_G Feb 2015 #238

Queen Mary Quackers Feb 2015 #18

Yes. Also known as "Bloody Mary" PassingFair Feb 2015 #39

No, that was reserved for folks 'living while black'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #156

In Dresden and Tokyo among others. Downwinder Feb 2015 #2

+1 n/t n2doc Feb 2015 #86

+2 truebluegreen Feb 2015 #226

Those Spanish knew a thing or two in the 1470's MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #4

Yes in the 13th century hugo_from_TN Feb 2015 #5

the guy burned to death in a cage was a Muslim JI7 Feb 2015 #6

What is your point? Throd Feb 2015 #8

Well essentially the civil authorities were turning a blind eye to exboyfil Feb 2015 #16

There were very few Muslim extremists until... MattSh Feb 2015 #34

Yes because of course, Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was welcomed by the people there and Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #54

Wrong pipoman Feb 2015 #77

It actually goes back 100 years nichomachus Feb 2015 #118

Don't forget the fuel we tossed on the fire in 1953.... truebluegreen Feb 2015 #227

Your accuracy is appreciated but off MasochisticHistorian Feb 2015 #243

Bingo - thanks 840high Feb 2015 #130

How about White Phospherous? Is that from the 13th Century? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #215

I remember that. Wasn't it 2011? Throd Feb 2015 #7

Burning people is un-Islamic. MADem Feb 2015 #9

OMG. This is gold. hugo_from_TN Feb 2015 #10

it's an emotional reaction to what they did to the Soldier JI7 Feb 2015 #11

There is an interesting quotation from the Quran that says something on the lines of MADem Feb 2015 #90

Which is why the terrorists of 9/11 shouldn't be considered Muslim as they did both... cascadiance Feb 2015 #102

They aren't. People forget the enormous outpouring of sympathy and goodwill from the Muslim world MADem Feb 2015 #168

Islam has no Pope. former9thward Feb 2015 #12

The Pope doesn't get to speak for Christianity either... Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #24

"The Pope doesn't get to speak for Protestantism either..." Fixed. :-). WinkyDink Feb 2015 #65

He does not speak for Protestants nor for the millions of members of Orthodox Churches which Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #81

Anglicans come under the rubric of "Protestants," and I figured by mentioning the Eastern Chruch I'd WinkyDink Feb 2015 #205

True and I come from a Protestant background. former9thward Feb 2015 #78

Uh, yes, they do. nt MADem Feb 2015 #93

Uhh, no they don't. former9thward Feb 2015 #98

No one disregards the Grand Imam of al-Ahzar if they are Sunni. MADem Feb 2015 #172

Your second link gives a multitude of people not one. former9thward Feb 2015 #174

I provided a link upthread with his comments. He's pissed. Big time. MADem Feb 2015 #175

People forget what a Pope is. MasochisticHistorian Feb 2015 #244

"What am I, chopped liver?!"---Prince Shah Karim Al Hussaini Aga Khan (IV). WinkyDink Feb 2015 #64

He owns a good chunk of the shi'a territory--there are at least fifteen million MADem Feb 2015 #176

Really? They don't have a pope? Ya don't say!!! MADem Feb 2015 #92

A book is not a person. former9thward Feb 2015 #100

I know the difference. The book is the same no matter where you go in Islam. MADem Feb 2015 #173

Yes they do MasochisticHistorian Feb 2015 #242

Not necessarily. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #13

Al Tabari is not the Quran. His exegesis is an opinion, and even in your example, MADem Feb 2015 #89

"Satanic, terrorist" group lobodons Feb 2015 #23

When Muslims pull out the "shatan" references, they aren't playing. They're pissed. MADem Feb 2015 #94

Apparently a Roman Emperor also lit his dinner party with torches Cleita Feb 2015 #14

If by a "few" years you mean 500 or so.. whathehell Feb 2015 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #17

Quite true! Technological progress and sociological progress often do not go hand in hand. RKP5637 Feb 2015 #29

Maybe, but we're talking about actions, whathehell Feb 2015 #40

About a 100 years ago exboyfil Feb 2015 #19

Individuals did that.. whathehell Feb 2015 #37

Or, literally a few. Or, more honestly, currently ongoing. enki23 Feb 2015 #72

Not as a matter of policy in the Western developed world. whathehell Feb 2015 #145

That's a hell of a qualification. It's also not done as a harvest ritual by albino Irish girls. enki23 Feb 2015 #186

No, and when you compare whathehell Feb 2015 #196

Yes, because the way to save face under well-deserved mockery is to take it ultra-literally. enki23 Feb 2015 #198

BWAHAHAHAHAHA..Project much? whathehell Feb 2015 #200

Christians burning people is not a "credible argument" that Christians burn people, "dear?" enki23 Feb 2015 #202

Insults typically underscore an inability to argue effectively, so let me explain this to you in whathehell Feb 2015 #211

Are you... responding to me with arguments against other people? Or are you trying to gaslight me? enki23 Feb 2015 #229

I'm trying to tell you whathehell Feb 2015 #237

How about Depleted Uranium and White Phospherus? What religion is the use of these, far more sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #216

No religion.at all, unless one considers imperialism a "religion". whathehell Feb 2015 #219

How do you determine that? Many of the supporters and defenders of the burning of Iraqi sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #220

"Self-defined Christians" can be as non representative of Christianity as Al Queda is of Islam whathehell Feb 2015 #222

Many Christians still fantasize about non-believers burning in Hell cpwm17 Feb 2015 #20

Religion, IMO, is one of the most dangerous clubs on earth. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2015 #30

Yeah, along with Stalin's Atheist club that killed 20 Million. whathehell Feb 2015 #148

Exactly! Same thing IMO. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2015 #179

Maybe, but "fantasizing" is a far better whathehell Feb 2015 #43

Much better. It's also much better to fantasize about a brutal rape than to undertake one. enki23 Feb 2015 #75

People fantasize about all.sorts of things, dear whathehell Feb 2015 #84

I grew up around Christians cpwm17 Feb 2015 #91

Unless you're defining "Christians" very narrowly, cpwm17, your experience is whathehell Feb 2015 #141

No, I haven't condemned all Christians cpwm17 Feb 2015 #164

That's nice, but still off point whathehell Feb 2015 #165

Once one thinks it is just to infinitely torture one for eternity for having a different opinion cpwm17 Feb 2015 #171

One doesn't have to believe something is "just" to believe it's true. whathehell Feb 2015 #204

I made sure to not make a blanket condemnation of all Christians cpwm17 Feb 2015 #213

Yes, but you seem to be retracting it.. whathehell Feb 2015 #214

Yup. "Many" is a weasel word that's a placeholder for something that is not currently quantified. enki23 Feb 2015 #185

That's true cpwm17 Feb 2015 #88

Christians are doing it now, with hellfire missiles and white phosphorous upon occassion Dragonfli Feb 2015 #21

Um, I think you mean "governments", whathehell Feb 2015 #44

Governments use people to do their killing, Those drones are not self aware just yet. Dragonfli Feb 2015 #87

Right, whathehell Feb 2015 #142

How so? "Each individual killer makes a choice to kill or not when asked to" Dragonfli Feb 2015 #147

You said governments use people. The fact is, governments are comprised of people, whathehell Feb 2015 #152

So are Corporations, but it should not excuse the people within it that are the actual perpetrators Dragonfli Feb 2015 #155

So whose excusing anyone? whathehell Feb 2015 #162

It is wrong now and it was wrong then. What's your point? n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #22

Did you actually read my OP? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #41

How many people is ISIS then entitled to incinerate? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #25

+1 Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #103

Which part of my 4th paragraph is unclear? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #109

The first three make your position clear. The 4th just gives you room to weasel. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #117

Few years back?...more like centuries ago davidn3600 Feb 2015 #26

"Sardonic." WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #236

i have a picture book about the inquisition. the rack in the movies is NOTHING. pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #27

The Salem "Witches" Were Hanged, not Burned Teutonic Samuel Feb 2015 #28

Tu quoque is a shitty and fallacious argument and using it to defend burning people alive is... JVS Feb 2015 #31

+1 Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #101

In light of my 4th paragraph... MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #114

It is only bad when Muslims do it but A-OK if Christians Do it ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #32

If you consider hundreds of years leftynyc Feb 2015 #33

Nah, some people don't give 2 flips about protecting Islam, they just want to stir FSogol Feb 2015 #35

True enough leftynyc Feb 2015 #38

Easy to unclog your board. Use ignore or trash thread but it's better to complain about posters Autumn Feb 2015 #52

And let them think leftynyc Feb 2015 #66

There you go, so you admit your complaint is just clogging up the board. Autumn Feb 2015 #68

If that emoticon leftynyc Feb 2015 #69

No I just like the emoticons. If Skinner didn't want us to clog up the bord with them we wouldn't Autumn Feb 2015 #71

First off, the KKK lynched thousands of Americans much more recently MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #42

Spare me the utter bullshit leftynyc Feb 2015 #47

Hah! The results! Egnever Feb 2015 #197

If you were one of the leftynyc Feb 2015 #199

Yes, they were criminals.. whathehell Feb 2015 #53

That's exactly my point. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #62

Tthe only problem is that in whathehell Feb 2015 #85

actually the King James Bible is considerably different from say the Living Bible dsc Feb 2015 #74

Exactly -- Another stale excercise in false equivalence whathehell Feb 2015 #45

Elizabeth Warren: Destroying ISIS should be our Number 1 priority Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #36

Crickets... DonViejo Feb 2015 #178

Google "lynchings burning" and check out the images deutsey Feb 2015 #48

What is your point----That evil lies in the hearts of men of every persuasion? Yeah, and so? It WinkyDink Feb 2015 #58

That you don't have to go back to hundreds of years for examples of deutsey Feb 2015 #82

Moral relevancy makes me feel all warm and mushy inside. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #49

And the Romans fed Christians to the lions. And Aztecs practiced human sacrifice. randome Feb 2015 #50

Justifying ISIS? Snow Leopard Feb 2015 #51

Which part of my 4th paragraph is unclear? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #108

You indirectly criticized America, therefore you are defending ISIS. Maedhros Feb 2015 #131

But killing is part of religion RedCappedBandit Feb 2015 #55

Apparently you are not in a close relationship with the New Testament. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #60

Please. All of these books have ridiculous violent crap in them. nt RedCappedBandit Feb 2015 #67

Neither do a lot of the people that claim to. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #83

One wonders, Manny, chervilant Feb 2015 #56

Centuries. A millennium. The passage of time for a civilization matters. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #57

Nope, witch burnings happened many years ago. Words have meanings. 'Few' has an actual definition Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #59

And even "many" is insufficient, when he refers to 1642. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #61

Look up necklacing in Africa. haele Feb 2015 #112

Yeah, and it had everything to do with politics, whathehell Feb 2015 #143

And politics and religion don't go hand in hand in these situations? haele Feb 2015 #158

Not in South Africa, which was most noted for it, no. whathehell Feb 2015 #161

More like a year and a half ago. jeff47 Feb 2015 #128

a few, that is eight padfun Feb 2015 #203

religion sucks KG Feb 2015 #63

we all good cause we murder in a more humane manner dembotoz Feb 2015 #70

Depends on your definition of "a few." MineralMan Feb 2015 #73

"Suspected Witches Burned Alive By Christians in Kenya." A year and a half ago. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #126

Shocking details in the link marle35 Feb 2015 #181

Yeah, and if you read the link you'll see they did it to steal land, not whathehell Feb 2015 #224

Sorry MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #207

A witch burning is my congregations' plan for this weekend LanternWaste Feb 2015 #76

ISIS good - Christians bad get the red out Feb 2015 #79

Which part of my 4th paragraph is unclear? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #110

Just a screed get the red out Feb 2015 #151

Uh... no. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #154

Lets be inactive get the red out Feb 2015 #157

"...the extreme left...." truebluegreen Feb 2015 #228

Sorry you're lost get the red out Feb 2015 #230

I'm afraid you are the one who is lost. truebluegreen Feb 2015 #231

Not socialist enough get the red out Feb 2015 #232

"I have no clue...." you say. truebluegreen Feb 2015 #233

Sorry get the red out Feb 2015 #240

May I briefly bring to mind the photo that is credited for ending the Viet Nam War? The naked libdem4life Feb 2015 #80

No one has claimed religion is the sole purveyor of human cruelty. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #97

With all due respect, dropping incinerating materials intended to anhiliate citizens of a town libdem4life Feb 2015 #122

Fallacious argument. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #125

Who is WE? And no, it's really not academic at all. ISIS is at war, whether we acknowledge it or libdem4life Feb 2015 #133

That's what I asked you. And yes, it is fallacious. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #167

No, again, we lack the moral ground to be outraged and wag our fingers. If we did not do the same libdem4life Feb 2015 #183

Checkmate, Logic! Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #209

I believe your question was Who is We? "We" is a collective yet contextual personal pronoun. libdem4life Feb 2015 #210

Her name was/is Phan Thi Kim Phuc Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #182

Quite a remarkable woman. Thanks for the url. libdem4life Feb 2015 #184

"We" and by we I mean our elected leaders who claim to be Christians yet always ok sending Autumn Feb 2015 #218

Your "point" gives ISIS a pass. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #95

Which part of my 4th paragraph is unclear? nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #111

If you think that fixes it, it doesn't. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #121

Nope. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #124

I believe Manny is lamenting the lack of moral outrage in the popular media Maedhros Feb 2015 #132

If so, this is exactly the wrong time for that. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #134

There is no debate to be had over ISIS atrocities. Maedhros Feb 2015 #137

Everything isn't "all about us" (as in, self-centered as hell) Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #160

The United States is the #1 purveyor of violence in the world. Maedhros Feb 2015 #169

can you really prove that. i dont think you can arely staircase Feb 2015 #177

THANK You. whathehell Feb 2015 #144

Really? That's what he meant by "a few years back?" MADem Feb 2015 #170

Manny wrote "a few years ago"? Holy #%^*!!!!! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #189

No, Manny wrote "a few years BACK." MADem Feb 2015 #193

Even worse. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #194

How old are you? nt MADem Feb 2015 #195

I'm so glad I found this post and THANK YOU for writing this. Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #239

Has ISIS pulled somebody behind a truck yet? LannyDeVaney Feb 2015 #96

Don't give them any ideas./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #105

Yes, but they had the One True God on their side. Just like ISIS does. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #99

Of course, Abe's religion doesn't work for psychopaths rock Feb 2015 #104

thank you. this was something I pointed out in another OP on the burnings. the roman niyad Feb 2015 #106

When you say a few years don't you mean hundreds of years ago? dilby Feb 2015 #113

I'm not justifying ANY of it. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #116

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #120

That's why they called him "HONEST Abe". n/t Smarmie Doofus Feb 2015 #115

You love cancer. sibelian Feb 2015 #119

Italians used to do that a few years back. Kaleva Feb 2015 #123

Thanks for the post illustrating that civilization has made progress onenote Feb 2015 #127

+1 outside Feb 2015 #129

Unless of course the politicians say it's OK.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #241

heck, even Mexico was crucifying peasants in the 20s MisterP Feb 2015 #135

You make a great point, two wrongs do make a right. ileus Feb 2015 #136

Yes, that what I wrote MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #139

I understand the Romans crucified people... brooklynite Feb 2015 #138

Not what I wrote. MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #140

Seems you've had to reiterate Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #159

Mea culpa MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #206

Well... Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #212

Christians were burning people to death "a few years back"? What's your definition of a "few years"? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #146

Next up "The Crusades!!!" ileus Feb 2015 #149

Close, but... I can't get there from here. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #166

People can be very cruel. Believers and non-believers can be cruel. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #150

Obama agrees with you BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #153

Fortunately, understanding irony requires a minimum IQ MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #163

Thought you might enjoy this MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #190

Manny, here is a modern version of Christian Extremism: SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #180

Using religion to justify doing nothing when people are being brutalized is btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #187

What's unclear about paragraph 4? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #188

It looks like President Obama has been reading DU, and your thread in the past few days. dissentient Feb 2015 #191

There's a perfectly-reasonable explanation, I swear... MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #192

Just a few years... n2doc Feb 2015 #201

+1000 MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #208

The Inquisition's auto-da-fe aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #217

Yes but then they eventually grew out of the stone age unlike some islamic countries glasshouses Feb 2015 #221

Thanks Obama! countryjake Feb 2015 #223