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lumberjack_jeff

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96. Vaccination as a DU topic is exclusively about dogwhistling and tribalism.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 05:36 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.npr.org/2015/02/04/383724467/the-psychology-behind-why-some-kids-go-unvaccinated

We're on the side of the angels... and Glaxo SmithKline.

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VEDANTAM: That's right, David. This was a study by Brendan Nyhan at Dartmouth, and he and his colleagues found that messages that tout the health benefits and the safety of vaccines are most effective when it comes to persuading people who already believe that vaccines are safe and effective. When it comes to parents who are worried about the safety of vaccines, the researchers found the messages were not only ineffective, but potentially counterproductive because worried parents became less likely to want to vaccinate their children after hearing these messages.

GREENE: Why would that be? Why would people who hear a message that vaccines are safe, you know, be even less likely to get these vaccinations?

VEDANTAM: You know, David, there is a small warehouse backed with research studies that find that our beliefs on all manner of issues are shaped by our pre-existing views. You know, that doesn't we're completely deaf to the evidence, it just means that we filter how we interpret the evidence through our pre-existing beliefs and our loyalties to various groups and tribes. And we see this in all manner of settings, not just in public health settings. The people who believe President Obama was born in Kenya, for example, were overwhelmingly likely to be people who didn't like President Barack Obama. If you looked at the recent football scandal over deflated footballs, people in New England were far more likely than people anywhere else in the country to believe that quarterback Tom Brady and coach Bill Belichick didn't know what was going on. So vaccines and the concerns about vaccines are an example of this much larger phenomenon, which is once you believe in something, it's very hard to debunk that belief. And when someone comes along and tries to debunk that belief, they get seen as being part of the conspiracy theory.

Public health is not served by politicizing it.
How long have you been a pediatrician? snooper2 Feb 2015 #1
From here: Maedhros Feb 2015 #2
IBTL Mika Feb 2015 #3
Yes, I'm against anti-vaxxers. zappaman Feb 2015 #6
So, if the ADA tells you that mercury in fillings is safe - you believe them? Mika Feb 2015 #23
Not an anti-vaxxer? zappaman Feb 2015 #25
Tell your dentist that you want mercury laden amalgams, because the ADA research says its OK. Mika Feb 2015 #40
The Mercury in the vaccines is in a COMPOUND! Are_grits_groceries Feb 2015 #62
You put chlorine on your food all the time. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #73
I break out in hives from chlorine HockeyMom Feb 2015 #84
Have you ever used salt on your food? NuclearDem Feb 2015 #85
Salt. Sodium chloride. Na. Cl. uppityperson Feb 2015 #86
They are. Warpy Feb 2015 #89
Warpy Hekate Feb 2015 #146
just a second...I don't understand Sheepshank Feb 2015 #57
Tiny amounts of mercury vapor are inhaled by people with amalgam fillings Warpy Feb 2015 #92
I sort of knew that part. But thanks. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #95
You're not wrong, at all Warpy Feb 2015 #98
I agree... And many otherwise thoughtful people... Adrahil Feb 2015 #135
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #111
pant load. spanone Feb 2015 #4
Nope. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #5
Fuck That sharp_stick Feb 2015 #7
I hope you are being sarcastic. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #104
I have the same beliefs about the idiots requiring some massive shaming. nt Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #112
This reminds me of witch burning. Please don't tell me you think you are liberal minded because rhett o rick Feb 2015 #114
What does fracking have to do with anything? Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #116
Personally, I think those here that are obsessed with locking, hiding, and banning are on the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #117
Honestly, it's fucking embarrassing to be sharing a msg board Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #120
I feel the same way about those that support fracking and the TPP. You always have the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #123
I agree daredtowork Feb 2015 #121
No, anti-vaxxers are just wrong. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #122
That's rich daredtowork Feb 2015 #125
I have no more love for anti-vaxxers than I do for chemtrailers, AIDS denialists, and creationists. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #134
your repeated assertion that I'm an anti-vaxxer is wrong daredtowork Feb 2015 #138
I'm quite happy to run anti-science types out of the party. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #139
I certainly understand having a passion about an issue, but to let it get into the rhett o rick Feb 2015 #144
While we're at it, let's ease up on Flat-Earthers and Holocaust Deniers too... LanternWaste Feb 2015 #141
I'm with that Johonny Feb 2015 #142
Please keep your hypothetical kid away from my hypothetical kid. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #8
My thoughts exactly... Peacetrain Feb 2015 #77
No surprise there! greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #79
What kind of medical degree do you have? n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #9
An MD from Google University. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #14
More likely: a BS from Cut and Paste Junior College FSogol Feb 2015 #38
LOL ... Not laughing at, or even thinking about, the OP writer ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #67
Your image didn't post correctly. FSogol Feb 2015 #106
Sorry. It was kind of cute. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #108
That's good. trotsky Feb 2015 #75
Fuck the anti-douchebag-vaxxers. .. trumad Feb 2015 #10
I second that opinion. FarPoint Feb 2015 #35
Take your unscientific bullshit elsewhere. HERVEPA Feb 2015 #11
sorry but you're wrong nt steve2470 Feb 2015 #12
Your CDC link doesn't work. GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #13
Note favorite group - woo - Astrology, Spirituality & Alternative Healing, HERVEPA Feb 2015 #15
Note username - moonbeam23 KamaAina Feb 2015 #80
yup HERVEPA Feb 2015 #94
Treating diseases would make "Big Pharma" a lot more money than vaccinations do. Brickbat Feb 2015 #16
I saw friends in iron lungs because of polio. Here's a picture. madfloridian Feb 2015 #17
And a lot of those kids and adults died from polio and if they did not they were physically disabled jwirr Feb 2015 #37
One uncle who died from polio and another uncle and aunt who survived polio. we can do it Feb 2015 #93
Actually, I think that is a key point in this debate Bettie Feb 2015 #110
Well said. SwissTony Feb 2015 #133
Polio was scarier Bettie Feb 2015 #136
When my best friend was 2 y.o., her mother died of polio. Remember LIFE magazine? Photos like yours. Hekate Feb 2015 #149
No, the best solution for all is for people to vaccinate their kids... SidDithers Feb 2015 #18
Yup - I alert on all anti-vaxx posts. Not on this one though, because some good shamng Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #113
Aaaaaaaaaaand...scene! Orsino Feb 2015 #19
No, I won't. BeeBee Feb 2015 #20
Did you read the entire post? moonbeam23 Feb 2015 #24
Maybe.. might.. RedCappedBandit Feb 2015 #26
It's my opinion moonbeam23 Feb 2015 #54
Spouting your opinion doesn't give you some kind of free pass. Demit Feb 2015 #65
Your opinion doesn't trump science EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #147
Lots here don't care. Too busy jerking knees. Mika Feb 2015 #27
Most here do care about anti-vaxxer bullshit. zappaman Feb 2015 #31
Actually I'd say we care very much, both about science and human health. nt Hekate Feb 2015 #150
Yes, I did read the entire post. n/t BeeBee Feb 2015 #74
There is a study on infant mortality rate and the number of vaccine doses compared to other countrie jakeXT Feb 2015 #21
Shhhh. Mika Feb 2015 #33
Citing a study funded and conducted by anti-vaxxers will typically bring that out, yes. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #102
Thanks for the link moonbeam23 Feb 2015 #36
Studying this would be considered "woo" here. Mika Feb 2015 #49
That's because vaccines make them lose money. jeff47 Feb 2015 #101
Quite interesting and informative link, jake. Thanks! nt Mnemosyne Feb 2015 #44
You might want to take a look at the corrections in that study. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #45
Whoopsie! zappaman Feb 2015 #68
You beat me to it sharp_stick Feb 2015 #70
Thank you . . . Journeyman Feb 2015 #83
In addition, SAGE got into trouble for failing to properly peer review the articles they published. greatlaurel Feb 2015 #87
And, that study purposefully seems to obfuscate pugetres Feb 2015 #97
It also dumbfoundingly counts vaccines like MMR as three separate vaccines. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #100
Aha, thank you. I replied in depth to the study, should have read the rest of the thread first. Than uppityperson Feb 2015 #109
You may have forgotten the correction sharp_stick Feb 2015 #69
Sounds reasonable jakeXT Feb 2015 #72
You must take into account that countries define infant mortality differently. Demit Feb 2015 #71
Correlation does not equal causation. "higher infant mortality rates" due to...what? The diseases uppityperson Feb 2015 #107
Here's some info: DebJ Feb 2015 #126
Wow. We don't get to see a lot of drive-by anti-vaxxing... Orrex Feb 2015 #22
Anti-Vaxxers are death merchants who MUST be ridiculed and shamed. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #28
Put 'em in prison???? moonbeam23 Feb 2015 #41
They are child abusers. Child abuse is a felony MohRokTah Feb 2015 #51
Not on the anti-vax crap per se, bvf Feb 2015 #29
Enjoy your stay! Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #30
No, your duty as a "good DUer" is to only listen to the science Trillo Feb 2015 #32
Truvada is pretty close to an HIV vaccine Prism Feb 2015 #39
I was looking at the price. $1300 for 30 pills. Trillo Feb 2015 #119
If you don't like it, feel free to leave and never cme back if you are anti-vaxx. nt Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #115
Thank you. Trillo Feb 2015 #118
Lucky Luciano never PM'd me. I'm advising other DUers that his/her words mean little Trillo Feb 2015 #140
Why in the world did this person want me to PM them? Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #145
"A newborn's immune system needs time to mature and develop" NickB79 Feb 2015 #34
you nailed it steve2470 Feb 2015 #42
Thank you for writing that so I don't have to. + a brazillion. eom uppityperson Feb 2015 #88
The assertion that infant and childhood vaccines are 'heavy stimulation' is false. Aristus Feb 2015 #43
There are plenty of bashers on DU Ilsa Feb 2015 #46
outbreak of measles at day care in suburban illinois - several of the babies are under 1 yrs old. salin Feb 2015 #47
Appropriate screen name... nt procon Feb 2015 #48
Exactly. And results of alert, sadly HERVEPA Feb 2015 #52
by the logic of some of these jurors... steve2470 Feb 2015 #56
That's it! You've convinced me to go swimming in a medical waste dumpster! Rex Feb 2015 #50
Freedumb and Freeberty! Measles are just Liberty Spots. FSogol Feb 2015 #55
Anyone that says I can't get polio, is stepping on my freedumbs! Rex Feb 2015 #61
That's a great idea! You'll build your immune system that way! Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #59
And it's FREE! Rex Feb 2015 #63
You will find more... NCTraveler Feb 2015 #53
Sorry but your take on immunology doesn't make me confident in your conclusions. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #58
Sigh! ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #60
God, I wish there was a vaccine against stupidity Godhumor Feb 2015 #64
It's the outrage du jour. Sit back and enjoy the show. Initech Feb 2015 #66
Hepatitis B is not running rampant because of an aggressive vaccination campaign started in 1982 hack89 Feb 2015 #76
So at average volume dose of 0.5ml less than a tablespoon total of vaccine over 18 months? Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #78
The anti-vaxxers will grasp at any straw these days. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #81
It's mind-numbing that liberals TBF Feb 2015 #82
No. Antiscience, antifact idiots are ruining this country. we can do it Feb 2015 #90
Why stop there? kcr Feb 2015 #91
Vaccination as a DU topic is exclusively about dogwhistling and tribalism. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #96
Nailed it: Public health is not served by politicizing it. nt Ilsa Feb 2015 #99
No. nt. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #103
LOL at someone named Moonbeam spouting anti-vaxxer garbage. nt Lucky Luciano Feb 2015 #105
I empathize with those wanting to wait a while. But instead of explanations of the timing, they get Overseas Feb 2015 #124
That information is readily available MattBaggins Feb 2015 #131
The facts have been explained over & over & over here, yet not one anti-vaxxer has budged... Hekate Feb 2015 #151
Well, now, consider this information, and tell me what's so terrible about it, please. DebJ Feb 2015 #127
So it was better then that I almost failed first grade because I contracted DebJ Feb 2015 #128
Nah. We've been giving our kid all the vaccinations recommended. killbotfactory Feb 2015 #129
The stuff you posted is nonsense and deserves to be bashed MattBaggins Feb 2015 #130
Unrec! Vacc Schedules have shown to be safe. (nt) LostOne4Ever Feb 2015 #132
Anti-vaxxers Dwayne Hicks Feb 2015 #137
Sure. Just tell the measles to slow down... Orsino Feb 2015 #143
You mentioning "common sense" is fucking laughable EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #148
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