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In reply to the discussion: When will you stop voting for the lesser of two evils? (Poll) [View all]F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)27. Some thoughts.
One candidate is always slightly better than the other because no two people are every exactly alike. That candidate, if elected and given the chance, will legislate a slightly better program and better laws than the other.
That is the candidate that is best applicant for the job, not the lesser of two evils.
That is the candidate that is best applicant for the job, not the lesser of two evils.
Best applicant for the job doesn't mean either is any good at it. (Good for the people, of course--I'll bet Romney would have been a great president if you asked the rich.)
The argument of a lesser of two evils is voter suppression. Those who make it are saying, if you can't get exactly the candidate you want don't vote. If we lived in a country where elections that fail to meet say 80% of voter turnout are nullified that might be a good strategy for voters. We don't
Totally false strawman argument. No one is saying, "If you can't get exactly the candidate you want". We're saying, "If the candidate is antithetical to most of what you believe in". Even then, many are not advocating against voting--they're simply saying that they've hit a point where they can no longer support a system that is actively working against them.
The lesser of two evils is voter suppression. It creates hopelessness in those who don't have a lot of time, are financially stressed, or are uneducated concerning the way our system works by telling them their vote is pointless. It suppresses those people that most need a government that works for them.
What you and many others don't seem to consider is that for many people, they are already hopeless. They are already financially stressed, homeless, or worse. They are well-educated, and they are tired. They don't need to be told their vote is pointless--they know it is. There have been a number of studies that directly show that we live in an oligarchy, not a democracy. When the vast majority of people support something and politicians won't, then that is what tells people their vote is pointless. Not those of us who happen to notice deciding to say something about it.
Also, here's the other thing: many people can't afford to have someone who doesn't do the right thing any longer. I see a ton of people here saying that they can't afford to lose more benefits, more food security, their house, etc., and while I entirely sympathize with them, we can't forget that there are huge numbers of people who have already lost it all. They can't afford 4-8 more years of a slow corporate death; if they don't get help now, they're toast. These are a big chunk of the people who won't vote for a candidate who only kind of supports them. When we elect someone to slow the losses, we're still losing ground, no?
We need to help people make good choices, not tell them it doesn't fucking matter.
Again, no one is saying that. We are saying that it matters so fucking much that we can't afford to compromise with insanity anymore. We need representation, we need help, we need to fight and we need someone to fight for, and we need all this NOW. Not later.
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Other: Both loyalty oaths and "I'm done" oaths are way premature. The primary has not even begun.
merrily
Feb 2015
#1
Post like this, in combination with alert stalkers, make me worry about DU's future.
merrily
Feb 2015
#7
Fortunately, IMO, many have begun to refuse their bullying and to speak their own truth more boldly.
merrily
Feb 2015
#73
I look at the candidates and choose the one that best fits my idea of what a candidate should be.
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2015
#5
If one pickle is a planck length longer than another. One is still longer.
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2015
#21
The applicants will both be asked to vote on matters that count. The better applicant
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2015
#34
Outstanding response to the foolhardy "lesser than two evils" argument.
great white snark
Feb 2015
#81
I have hypertension and consequently moderate Chronic Kidney Disease
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2015
#85
Under no circumstances do I go to a restaurant and order shit that I despise
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#68
Nader voters sure showed Bush* what they want and he showed them by invading Iraq.
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2015
#94
As we saw last November from the low voter turnout, most voters are already THERE.
closeupready
Feb 2015
#9
If a popular former president couldn't win as a third part candidate...
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2015
#95
"A great idea until it hauled the intellectual center of the Democratic party to the right of 1980's
F4lconF16
Feb 2015
#24
You said it just fine. Most DUers understand that Lesser of two evils is shorthand and they also
merrily
Feb 2015
#39
very simple - I will vote for a progressive alternative when doing so will not risk throwing the
Douglas Carpenter
Feb 2015
#22
People get too hung up on politicians' perceived characteristics as a human being.
Starry Messenger
Feb 2015
#33
My life is full of "lesser of two evils". We should all work to improve the 'better of the two evils
pampango
Feb 2015
#43
That's the level of compassion of the Third Way and corporatists in general.
woo me with science
Feb 2015
#96
When are you willing to let theocratic teabagger fascists totally take over the government
workinclasszero
Feb 2015
#45
Every candidate nominated by the Party thus far has run saying shitty things about LGBT rights and
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#48
I don't do this...I resort to writing in a democratic candidate that is acceptable.
HereSince1628
Feb 2015
#49
We have the opportunity to choose the Democratic candidate in the primary. Someone who can't win the
Chathamization
Feb 2015
#59
Why just dismiss this? Why not instead recoginize that it's a call for wresting the Party ...
Scuba
Feb 2015
#65
Exactly, their only narrative is bully and intimidate. Which is why we lost last year.
Rex
Feb 2015
#80
The poison to the party are ideological purists who hold their breath until they turn blue
MohRokTah
Feb 2015
#98
I'll stop voting for the lesser of two evils when a candidate offers me more than that. n/t
Exhibit A
Feb 2015
#88
Other: lesser of two evils, provided there's been an open nomination contest.
Jim Lane
Feb 2015
#107