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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:27 PM

8. I feel like a bystander, this time around. A) it is so far off - while B) there is so little

exploration compared to the last several open primaries: 1988,1992, 2004, 2008 (not counting 2000 - as there wasn't much active challenge to Gore from within the party.) It almost feels surreal at this point.

Per the intelligent, well intended posters hurling insults at each other, while seemingly having some of that intellect having blind spots... Again I point to the open primaries in the era of DU: 2004 - BITTER battles the teams (in the speak of their in-party nemeses) Kerryites, Deaniacs, Clarkbars... and the Kucinich fans were so dismissed they didn't even get monickers. I don't recall the anti Hillary and Obama terms from 2008 because I disengaged from the attack threads (much as I do this time around) - and look at policy issues and other issues. However, I do recall that lots of folks stopped responding to each other on threads - in anything but snipes (based on differences of preferred candidates.)

Your second lesson - was also a lesson learned watching Clinton under the Gingrich/Contract for (on!) America Congressional majorities. I agree it is a tight rope for even a very strong political leader, when there are timid/nonconvicted dems in congress.

Per congress - the biggest shifts have been when the public discourse has diverged from the Faux talkingpoints (think post 2005-2008) - such that public "common wisdom" moves away from the media narratives. I think there are 3 areas - two of which you raise in your question (devote energy to working to elect the President or Congress). The third is public perception of issues (and esp distrust of rw extremism.) Here, perhaps we need our younger and more social media savvy members to teach us - how to push messages viral. How to change narratives (per public policy issues.) I think a greater impact can be had on both levels of federal elections - at the points of time when the public discourse/conventional wisdom is altered.

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