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perfect song for that year. nashville_brook Feb 2015 #1
No. We have always been at war with Eurasia. AngryDem001 Feb 2015 #56
You are right, and your point deserves more than a gliding over Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #153
The turn-around in public opinion... ReRe Feb 2015 #163
the source material is there -- control of the media from embedding to Generals propagandizing nashville_brook Feb 2015 #172
Baghdad & Tenochtitlán, Historical Parallels Xipe Totec Feb 2015 #2
I agree, elleng Feb 2015 #3
I didn't realize either just how spectacularly that fool's errand would fail Fumesucker Feb 2015 #7
Did it fail, or did it succeed beyond their wildest dreams? polly7 Feb 2015 #112
Probably unexpected by some, elleng Feb 2015 #128
It was a total success beyond the wildest dreams of the war profiteers/criminals. And it continues sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #130
But isn't that THEIR definition of success? erronis Feb 2015 #143
Yes, and we don't count. But some of 'us' bought into the lies, even some of our elected officials sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #152
Bingo JonLP24 Feb 2015 #166
Chelsea Manning warned about Maliki when she was in Iraq. She discovered that the Iraqi sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #168
I remember Edward Snowden said he planned to do the leaks much sooner JonLP24 Feb 2015 #169
Good point. Unintended consequences are our undoing... CTyankee Feb 2015 #103
Since we're talking about memories, let me give you one... Renew Deal Feb 2015 #4
Armitage the guy who outed Plame merrily Feb 2015 #5
They're all crooks and most of them seem to have resurfaced. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #9
Oh yes... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #10
politics makes bedfellows, strange and not so strange. merrily Feb 2015 #21
They never went away. So many Bush holdovers still remain in place. Most of them in Defense. I sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #80
This is why "looking forward" and even "truth and reconciliation" are not just a fail but dangerous TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #93
What a coincidence for them too. The PNAC gang also stated that it would be difficult to get the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #48
I can top that. I wrote one of about a half dozen letters to the editor in July 2012 saying "No War McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #6
I wasn't intending for there to be a competition Fumesucker Feb 2015 #13
So how do you feel about poiticians who voted for war? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #19
I know how I feel about politicians who were fooled, or not, into supporting a war in the WRONG sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #67
I believe... sendero Feb 2015 #101
I totally agree with you. I do think some of them were actually on board with the whole sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #139
This oughta become a famous quote: raccoon Feb 2015 #173
ANYONE who was fooled into thinking invading Iraq was a good idea Maedhros Feb 2015 #134
Seeing near orgasmic expressions on FauxNews anchor during Shock&Awe led me to put lock on chnl so Panich52 Feb 2015 #8
The day of the invasion, I remember going into workers and there were protestors in the street kimbutgar Feb 2015 #11
I cried too. DawgHouse Feb 2015 #126
Well said MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #12
That's why the drones make me sick at heart too.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #15
One man burned alive on camera is the worst thing ever MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #17
Mistakes were made Fumesucker Feb 2015 #20
Children burned to death with White Phosphorous! Military admits it, no problem. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #52
But Rand Paul opposes drones. Therefore, you are Rand Paul RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #25
Nothing that elevated I'm afraid.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #27
I remember how moved I was by Sen. Robert Byrd's impassioned speech RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #30
Former? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #34
I deny all accusations RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #35
! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #54
You left off a Hungadunga! n/t RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #92
Damn. The most important one, too. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #104
The Senator Byrd Debates on War in Iraq...DU'ers had Running Threads watching C-Span KoKo Feb 2015 #124
Thanks for posting, KoKo. In truth, I was thinking even earlier than that RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #125
Yes, agree, the debates with Kennedy on Senate Floor started earlier... KoKo Feb 2015 #127
That was one of the best speeches delivered by anyone that day. I didn't really know much about him sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #132
Yes, the Right trashed him, but he expected that and at a critical moment in our history, he sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #140
He got burned by the Gulf of Tonkin resolution... RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #141
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #29
watching "shock and awe" Mira Feb 2015 #50
Yes, there were a huge number of bridges burned that day and the following ones Fumesucker Feb 2015 #55
If only ONE adult would have said no you cannot be a bully. Rex Feb 2015 #14
None of the Very Serious People are actual adults, they are grown up children Fumesucker Feb 2015 #16
Well it is silly for us to think that we would know all this and they would not. Rex Feb 2015 #39
that's why the no difference between Gore and Bush was BS JI7 Feb 2015 #18
Are you sure you want to take that tack on this thread? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #22
you think Gore was going to do what Bush did in Iraq ? Clinton didn't JI7 Feb 2015 #23
Clinton voted for it Fumesucker Feb 2015 #24
bush was going to go into iraq even without the IWR JI7 Feb 2015 #26
Well of course, that makes it OK then.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #31
it means people blame Bush for the mess in Iraq JI7 Feb 2015 #33
Bzzzttt.. You just tried to blame Nader voters Fumesucker Feb 2015 #36
no, i said it was BS to say there was no difference between Bush and Gore JI7 Feb 2015 #38
That was your takeway on the horror Fumesucker Feb 2015 #44
i wouldn't want anyone who thinks there is no difference between Bush and Gore to run the country JI7 Feb 2015 #46
However actually helping Bush to fuck things up is no big deal.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #49
he was helped when he got into office, i knew he was going to fuck things up JI7 Feb 2015 #57
It's clear where you want to put the blame Fumesucker Feb 2015 #61
i blame Bush for Iraq and so do most people JI7 Feb 2015 #62
It's clear to everyone reading the thread where your mind went first Fumesucker Feb 2015 #64
well, considering what a disaster Bush was and i knew he would be , it's not easy to forget JI7 Feb 2015 #70
What lie am I pushing? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #74
i'm referring to those who say there is no difference JI7 Feb 2015 #88
I agree, saying there is no difference between those who voted for war and against is a lie.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #89
lol JI7 Feb 2015 #90
Why didn't Hillary know what you knew, that Bush was going to 'fuck things up'? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #138
No, it just means the vote was meaningless. joshcryer Feb 2015 #91
Most sitting Democrats had the courage to vote against it. PassingFair Feb 2015 #121
Not if someone would have stood up to him. All it took was someone calling the BFEE Rex Feb 2015 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Feb 2015 #32
Hard to tell. When Bush asked for their integrity the DLC'ers couldn't bow low enough rhett o rick Feb 2015 #41
Eh...who knows... davidn3600 Feb 2015 #45
The Night of Shock and Awe McKim Feb 2015 #28
Sometimes I can go as much as a week without really thinking about it Fumesucker Feb 2015 #42
I couldn't watch it. But I do remember that CNN was there and showed video at about 4.00 AM the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #58
I remember that kid Fumesucker Feb 2015 #79
Followed by an immediate media blackout..no casualities were to be shown...just patriotic bombs dropping. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #100
Ali Ismail Abbas. raccoon Feb 2015 #94
Thank you. He was a totally innocent child and one of the first victims of that massive crime. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #129
Yes, news relating to the US military actions is very carefully raccoon Feb 2015 #154
Yes, it is. Which is why people go eslewhere to get news. And that is why they are trying to control sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #165
I can't forget either Ramses Feb 2015 #37
The night of the vote I remember watching Sen Daschle making a great speech rhett o rick Feb 2015 #43
I remember how I felt that night also. I am sure I cried, especially when I saw Democrats sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #47
I remember it clearly in sickening detail as does JEB Feb 2015 #51
It sickened me too. Octoberfurst Feb 2015 #53
Had there been a draft, they wouldn't have been cheering. raccoon Feb 2015 #95
I remember that this "shock and awe" sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #59
In my area, red as a baboon's arse, just a handful were at the raccoon Feb 2015 #96
I read this thread with a heavy heart BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #60
Yes, it does feel good to know that and to know that not everyone who KNEW has forgotten or sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #83
Or a "So What?" attitude BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #86
Thank you for this thread. People have short memories, either that or they never really did care sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #63
Thank Nance Greggs for it Fumesucker Feb 2015 #65
I didn't read it. Kind of guessed what it was. Maybe I should, it might be interesting to know sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #68
I wouldn't bother, it's pure snark, trying to imitate Manny from a position of weakness Fumesucker Feb 2015 #72
Lol, thanks, won't waste the time then. NO ONE can imitate Manny. He is unique! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #75
Ted Kennedy has spoken about why Congress was deceived. pnwmom Feb 2015 #66
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Fumesucker Feb 2015 #69
I didn't think Saddam was responsible for 9/11, but that wasn't the issue. pnwmom Feb 2015 #73
Colin Powell once had a doctrine named after him Fumesucker Feb 2015 #78
He's going to have to live with those lies for the rest of his life. pnwmom Feb 2015 #81
I forget the details but Powell was involved in My Lai Fumesucker Feb 2015 #84
And yet....21 Democratic Senators, 1 Independent and 1 Republican DID have the courage to vote no. PassingFair Feb 2015 #123
A majority of Democrats voted against it, so I think they knew what was going on, in fact in some sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #131
Sorry, but that is no excuse sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #71
As a member of the Armed Services Committee, Kennedy was barred from sharing pnwmom Feb 2015 #76
Democratic votes in the Senate... Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #106
Thanks for the list. I'd forgotten that more D's voted for it than against. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #133
meh. I was not involved at politics at all at the time. I was fighting for survival. magical thyme Feb 2015 #99
I know how you feel awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #77
Yep, it was pretty disgusting. And there is no excuse for it. dissentient Feb 2015 #82
Success has a thousand fathers.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #85
Exactly. Progressives like you and me and others who always seem to consistently come down on the dissentient Feb 2015 #87
I remember where I was the night that the war in Iraq began davidpdx Feb 2015 #97
I was in Portland, too, and I remember the huge protests Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #170
I wish this thread could be pinned to the top of the board. woo me with science Feb 2015 #98
The Senate Dems were just as culpable as the Senate Republicans carolinayellowdog Feb 2015 #142
Which is more frightening? rgbecker Feb 2015 #102
Both. 840high Feb 2015 #158
Why is it so hard for many Hillary backers to just say that she was spectacularly wrong Broward Feb 2015 #105
The inevitable Democratic nominee cannot fail, she can only be failed Fumesucker Feb 2015 #107
Politically, those who voted against it were marginalized while those who voted Yes rose in the Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #108
To be entirely fair Fumesucker Feb 2015 #111
Exactly true. I don't hold the IWR against the ones who voted for it, I won't fault the Autumn Feb 2015 #113
My condolences to you and your family. Dems to Win Feb 2015 #114
Thank you Autumn Feb 2015 #119
I'm sorry... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #117
Thank you, and thank you for your OP. I wish I could rec it about a million times. Autumn Feb 2015 #118
I am so sorry! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #164
+1 nashville_brook Feb 2015 #110
I remember thinking that I was so close to retirement from the Army GGJohn Feb 2015 #109
K & R L0oniX Feb 2015 #115
The day we started bombing I was visiting one daughter - both of us we anti-war and said so. Then jwirr Feb 2015 #116
Holding it over their heads doesn't do any good, you were right for the wrong reasons Fumesucker Feb 2015 #147
Who said there was no forgiveness. In fact they were not to blame so they did not need forgiveness. jwirr Feb 2015 #148
No, I mean they won't forgive you for being right.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #149
Oh, I see what you mean. We just do not talk about it much. That helps. jwirr Feb 2015 #150
Only mentioning this here because posters vanlassie Feb 2015 #120
Yep. I knew the war was a mistake based on lies. I can't believe that US Senators didn't know that. Scuba Feb 2015 #122
They knew it by March, when the invasion began despite not finding any WMD's. pnwmom Feb 2015 #135
"... there was nothing Dems could do." Scuba Feb 2015 #137
That's pretty good, maybe even better than this one.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #151
shared emotions mehrrh Feb 2015 #136
When Shock & Awe was launched, I wept. Martin Eden Feb 2015 #144
worse. 2011. Libya. the lies were not as good ...nt quadrature Feb 2015 #145
"Shock & Awe." W justed wanted to get his war on. Any war. So 9/11 warnings were intentionally blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #146
Not for a single moment did the Iraq War make a lick of sense. Dems to Win Feb 2015 #155
I have more respect for Hillary Clinton's intelligence than to believe she was fooled Fumesucker Feb 2015 #157
The pols who were inside the Washington bubble were told that the American people Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #171
Spectacular Video yellowwoodII Feb 2015 #156
The thing that sickens me the most Mr.Bill Feb 2015 #159
That video reminds me how long I have been fighting against war. Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #160
I was so sad at that time, and remaining truedelphi Feb 2015 #161
We Are All Pawns Of The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks That Own And Control The Politicians cantbeserious Feb 2015 #162
I watched that horror unfold right here on DU. geomon666 Feb 2015 #167
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