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raccoon

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96. In my area, red as a baboon's arse, just a handful were at the
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 06:42 AM
Feb 2015

anti-war rallies before the buildup to the illegal invasion.

Makes me want to throw up, the way these assholes cheer on the war. Most of them, if their relatives had to go fight over there, they would be singing a very different tune.

perfect song for that year. nashville_brook Feb 2015 #1
No. We have always been at war with Eurasia. AngryDem001 Feb 2015 #56
You are right, and your point deserves more than a gliding over Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #153
The turn-around in public opinion... ReRe Feb 2015 #163
the source material is there -- control of the media from embedding to Generals propagandizing nashville_brook Feb 2015 #172
Baghdad & Tenochtitlán, Historical Parallels Xipe Totec Feb 2015 #2
I agree, elleng Feb 2015 #3
I didn't realize either just how spectacularly that fool's errand would fail Fumesucker Feb 2015 #7
Did it fail, or did it succeed beyond their wildest dreams? polly7 Feb 2015 #112
Probably unexpected by some, elleng Feb 2015 #128
It was a total success beyond the wildest dreams of the war profiteers/criminals. And it continues sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #130
But isn't that THEIR definition of success? erronis Feb 2015 #143
Yes, and we don't count. But some of 'us' bought into the lies, even some of our elected officials sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #152
Bingo JonLP24 Feb 2015 #166
Chelsea Manning warned about Maliki when she was in Iraq. She discovered that the Iraqi sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #168
I remember Edward Snowden said he planned to do the leaks much sooner JonLP24 Feb 2015 #169
Good point. Unintended consequences are our undoing... CTyankee Feb 2015 #103
Since we're talking about memories, let me give you one... Renew Deal Feb 2015 #4
Armitage the guy who outed Plame merrily Feb 2015 #5
They're all crooks and most of them seem to have resurfaced. Renew Deal Feb 2015 #9
Oh yes... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #10
politics makes bedfellows, strange and not so strange. merrily Feb 2015 #21
They never went away. So many Bush holdovers still remain in place. Most of them in Defense. I sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #80
This is why "looking forward" and even "truth and reconciliation" are not just a fail but dangerous TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #93
What a coincidence for them too. The PNAC gang also stated that it would be difficult to get the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #48
I can top that. I wrote one of about a half dozen letters to the editor in July 2012 saying "No War McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #6
I wasn't intending for there to be a competition Fumesucker Feb 2015 #13
So how do you feel about poiticians who voted for war? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #19
I know how I feel about politicians who were fooled, or not, into supporting a war in the WRONG sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #67
I believe... sendero Feb 2015 #101
I totally agree with you. I do think some of them were actually on board with the whole sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #139
This oughta become a famous quote: raccoon Feb 2015 #173
ANYONE who was fooled into thinking invading Iraq was a good idea Maedhros Feb 2015 #134
Seeing near orgasmic expressions on FauxNews anchor during Shock&Awe led me to put lock on chnl so Panich52 Feb 2015 #8
The day of the invasion, I remember going into workers and there were protestors in the street kimbutgar Feb 2015 #11
I cried too. DawgHouse Feb 2015 #126
Well said MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #12
That's why the drones make me sick at heart too.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #15
One man burned alive on camera is the worst thing ever MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #17
Mistakes were made Fumesucker Feb 2015 #20
Children burned to death with White Phosphorous! Military admits it, no problem. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #52
But Rand Paul opposes drones. Therefore, you are Rand Paul RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #25
Nothing that elevated I'm afraid.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #27
I remember how moved I was by Sen. Robert Byrd's impassioned speech RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #30
Former? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #34
I deny all accusations RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #35
! MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #54
You left off a Hungadunga! n/t RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #92
Damn. The most important one, too. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #104
The Senator Byrd Debates on War in Iraq...DU'ers had Running Threads watching C-Span KoKo Feb 2015 #124
Thanks for posting, KoKo. In truth, I was thinking even earlier than that RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #125
Yes, agree, the debates with Kennedy on Senate Floor started earlier... KoKo Feb 2015 #127
That was one of the best speeches delivered by anyone that day. I didn't really know much about him sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #132
Yes, the Right trashed him, but he expected that and at a critical moment in our history, he sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #140
He got burned by the Gulf of Tonkin resolution... RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #141
Yup. Agschmid Feb 2015 #29
watching "shock and awe" Mira Feb 2015 #50
Yes, there were a huge number of bridges burned that day and the following ones Fumesucker Feb 2015 #55
If only ONE adult would have said no you cannot be a bully. Rex Feb 2015 #14
None of the Very Serious People are actual adults, they are grown up children Fumesucker Feb 2015 #16
Well it is silly for us to think that we would know all this and they would not. Rex Feb 2015 #39
that's why the no difference between Gore and Bush was BS JI7 Feb 2015 #18
Are you sure you want to take that tack on this thread? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #22
you think Gore was going to do what Bush did in Iraq ? Clinton didn't JI7 Feb 2015 #23
Clinton voted for it Fumesucker Feb 2015 #24
bush was going to go into iraq even without the IWR JI7 Feb 2015 #26
Well of course, that makes it OK then.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #31
it means people blame Bush for the mess in Iraq JI7 Feb 2015 #33
Bzzzttt.. You just tried to blame Nader voters Fumesucker Feb 2015 #36
no, i said it was BS to say there was no difference between Bush and Gore JI7 Feb 2015 #38
That was your takeway on the horror Fumesucker Feb 2015 #44
i wouldn't want anyone who thinks there is no difference between Bush and Gore to run the country JI7 Feb 2015 #46
However actually helping Bush to fuck things up is no big deal.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #49
he was helped when he got into office, i knew he was going to fuck things up JI7 Feb 2015 #57
It's clear where you want to put the blame Fumesucker Feb 2015 #61
i blame Bush for Iraq and so do most people JI7 Feb 2015 #62
It's clear to everyone reading the thread where your mind went first Fumesucker Feb 2015 #64
well, considering what a disaster Bush was and i knew he would be , it's not easy to forget JI7 Feb 2015 #70
What lie am I pushing? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #74
i'm referring to those who say there is no difference JI7 Feb 2015 #88
I agree, saying there is no difference between those who voted for war and against is a lie.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #89
lol JI7 Feb 2015 #90
Why didn't Hillary know what you knew, that Bush was going to 'fuck things up'? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #138
No, it just means the vote was meaningless. joshcryer Feb 2015 #91
Most sitting Democrats had the courage to vote against it. PassingFair Feb 2015 #121
Not if someone would have stood up to him. All it took was someone calling the BFEE Rex Feb 2015 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Feb 2015 #32
Hard to tell. When Bush asked for their integrity the DLC'ers couldn't bow low enough rhett o rick Feb 2015 #41
Eh...who knows... davidn3600 Feb 2015 #45
The Night of Shock and Awe McKim Feb 2015 #28
Sometimes I can go as much as a week without really thinking about it Fumesucker Feb 2015 #42
I couldn't watch it. But I do remember that CNN was there and showed video at about 4.00 AM the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #58
I remember that kid Fumesucker Feb 2015 #79
Followed by an immediate media blackout..no casualities were to be shown...just patriotic bombs dropping. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #100
Ali Ismail Abbas. raccoon Feb 2015 #94
Thank you. He was a totally innocent child and one of the first victims of that massive crime. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #129
Yes, news relating to the US military actions is very carefully raccoon Feb 2015 #154
Yes, it is. Which is why people go eslewhere to get news. And that is why they are trying to control sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #165
I can't forget either Ramses Feb 2015 #37
The night of the vote I remember watching Sen Daschle making a great speech rhett o rick Feb 2015 #43
I remember how I felt that night also. I am sure I cried, especially when I saw Democrats sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #47
I remember it clearly in sickening detail as does JEB Feb 2015 #51
It sickened me too. Octoberfurst Feb 2015 #53
Had there been a draft, they wouldn't have been cheering. raccoon Feb 2015 #95
I remember that this "shock and awe" sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #59
In my area, red as a baboon's arse, just a handful were at the raccoon Feb 2015 #96
I read this thread with a heavy heart BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #60
Yes, it does feel good to know that and to know that not everyone who KNEW has forgotten or sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #83
Or a "So What?" attitude BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #86
Thank you for this thread. People have short memories, either that or they never really did care sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #63
Thank Nance Greggs for it Fumesucker Feb 2015 #65
I didn't read it. Kind of guessed what it was. Maybe I should, it might be interesting to know sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #68
I wouldn't bother, it's pure snark, trying to imitate Manny from a position of weakness Fumesucker Feb 2015 #72
Lol, thanks, won't waste the time then. NO ONE can imitate Manny. He is unique! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #75
Ted Kennedy has spoken about why Congress was deceived. pnwmom Feb 2015 #66
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Fumesucker Feb 2015 #69
I didn't think Saddam was responsible for 9/11, but that wasn't the issue. pnwmom Feb 2015 #73
Colin Powell once had a doctrine named after him Fumesucker Feb 2015 #78
He's going to have to live with those lies for the rest of his life. pnwmom Feb 2015 #81
I forget the details but Powell was involved in My Lai Fumesucker Feb 2015 #84
And yet....21 Democratic Senators, 1 Independent and 1 Republican DID have the courage to vote no. PassingFair Feb 2015 #123
A majority of Democrats voted against it, so I think they knew what was going on, in fact in some sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #131
Sorry, but that is no excuse sadoldgirl Feb 2015 #71
As a member of the Armed Services Committee, Kennedy was barred from sharing pnwmom Feb 2015 #76
Democratic votes in the Senate... Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #106
Thanks for the list. I'd forgotten that more D's voted for it than against. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #133
meh. I was not involved at politics at all at the time. I was fighting for survival. magical thyme Feb 2015 #99
I know how you feel awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #77
Yep, it was pretty disgusting. And there is no excuse for it. dissentient Feb 2015 #82
Success has a thousand fathers.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #85
Exactly. Progressives like you and me and others who always seem to consistently come down on the dissentient Feb 2015 #87
I remember where I was the night that the war in Iraq began davidpdx Feb 2015 #97
I was in Portland, too, and I remember the huge protests Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #170
I wish this thread could be pinned to the top of the board. woo me with science Feb 2015 #98
The Senate Dems were just as culpable as the Senate Republicans carolinayellowdog Feb 2015 #142
Which is more frightening? rgbecker Feb 2015 #102
Both. 840high Feb 2015 #158
Why is it so hard for many Hillary backers to just say that she was spectacularly wrong Broward Feb 2015 #105
The inevitable Democratic nominee cannot fail, she can only be failed Fumesucker Feb 2015 #107
Politically, those who voted against it were marginalized while those who voted Yes rose in the Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #108
To be entirely fair Fumesucker Feb 2015 #111
Exactly true. I don't hold the IWR against the ones who voted for it, I won't fault the Autumn Feb 2015 #113
My condolences to you and your family. Dems to Win Feb 2015 #114
Thank you Autumn Feb 2015 #119
I'm sorry... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #117
Thank you, and thank you for your OP. I wish I could rec it about a million times. Autumn Feb 2015 #118
I am so sorry! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #164
+1 nashville_brook Feb 2015 #110
I remember thinking that I was so close to retirement from the Army GGJohn Feb 2015 #109
K & R L0oniX Feb 2015 #115
The day we started bombing I was visiting one daughter - both of us we anti-war and said so. Then jwirr Feb 2015 #116
Holding it over their heads doesn't do any good, you were right for the wrong reasons Fumesucker Feb 2015 #147
Who said there was no forgiveness. In fact they were not to blame so they did not need forgiveness. jwirr Feb 2015 #148
No, I mean they won't forgive you for being right.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #149
Oh, I see what you mean. We just do not talk about it much. That helps. jwirr Feb 2015 #150
Only mentioning this here because posters vanlassie Feb 2015 #120
Yep. I knew the war was a mistake based on lies. I can't believe that US Senators didn't know that. Scuba Feb 2015 #122
They knew it by March, when the invasion began despite not finding any WMD's. pnwmom Feb 2015 #135
"... there was nothing Dems could do." Scuba Feb 2015 #137
That's pretty good, maybe even better than this one.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #151
shared emotions mehrrh Feb 2015 #136
When Shock & Awe was launched, I wept. Martin Eden Feb 2015 #144
worse. 2011. Libya. the lies were not as good ...nt quadrature Feb 2015 #145
"Shock & Awe." W justed wanted to get his war on. Any war. So 9/11 warnings were intentionally blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #146
Not for a single moment did the Iraq War make a lick of sense. Dems to Win Feb 2015 #155
I have more respect for Hillary Clinton's intelligence than to believe she was fooled Fumesucker Feb 2015 #157
The pols who were inside the Washington bubble were told that the American people Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2015 #171
Spectacular Video yellowwoodII Feb 2015 #156
The thing that sickens me the most Mr.Bill Feb 2015 #159
That video reminds me how long I have been fighting against war. Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #160
I was so sad at that time, and remaining truedelphi Feb 2015 #161
We Are All Pawns Of The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks That Own And Control The Politicians cantbeserious Feb 2015 #162
I watched that horror unfold right here on DU. geomon666 Feb 2015 #167
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