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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
217. So every time a woman is fired, we have to automatically suspect gender bias?
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 10:55 AM
Feb 2015

I remember the Abramson and NYT stuff. But from what I've read there was a lot of friction with a lot of the top brass in the organization. That alone isn't uncommon in the corporate and management world. Personalities clash and people have arguments. Male executives get pushed out too for stupid reasons at many companies.

It's frequently noted that a certain predecessor or male employee was making a bigger pension. But I believe it was discovered that he had been working at the Times much longer than Abramson. And the Times had recently cut pay and pension benefits to all new employees before Abramson got there. Which is something unfortunately many corporations are doing over the past several years with everyone.

Does that mean gender played no role at all? No. I don't know the situation well enough to rule it out. But I see no evidence of it right now.

It seemed a little soap boxy. Kablooie Feb 2015 #1
And....? Agschmid Feb 2015 #2
A rehearsed statement might create more controversy than one that seems to come from the heart. Kablooie Feb 2015 #14
If you had something you felt very important to say... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #180
I appears that she was a bit in her cups at that point from those pre-Oscar parties... CTyankee Feb 2015 #4
So she can't be passionate about liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #118
Sorry, I meant that she might have sounded a little off, trying to get out her thoughts CTyankee Feb 2015 #141
I loved her speech xmas74 Feb 2015 #209
She sounded impassioned, and she's justified. Her industry is notoriously unfair to female stars. pnwmom Feb 2015 #10
But then you compare Jennifer Lawrence's pay to a top black actresses's like Halle Berry and there's Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #176
I gave the example of Jennifer Lawrence because her role in the blockbuster Hunger Games pnwmom Feb 2015 #184
I know. I'm just trying to raise awareness because often black women (and other women of color) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #191
Thanks for sharing this, Liberal_Stalwart71. I don't think Arquette expressed herself all that well, pnwmom Feb 2015 #192
... and right out of the gate ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #43
exactly what i thought. and FUG it. nt seabeyond Feb 2015 #74
FUG it from atop MT. EVEREST !!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #77
..... seabeyond Feb 2015 #78
... lol ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #81
Thank you. I would say something like liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #115
what? her tone wasnt right for you? points were right on. only IF she had said it in a "nicer" seabeyond Feb 2015 #72
Yeah, but it was her turn on the soap box. Iggo Feb 2015 #75
So what if she was? liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #117
"Preachy"? Nice dog whistle. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #182
Nope. She did just fine. Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2015 #3
The point is there are so many Americans who suffer discrimination other than white protestant randys1 Feb 2015 #79
Why is it that we can never, ever, ever liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #119
I agree completely, my point was that there is so much discrimination that the criticism of randys1 Feb 2015 #122
This, just this. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #194
EXACTLY!...The nitpickers are, as was said downthread, just trying to stir things up. whathehell Feb 2015 #203
And it has such potential for uniting all those groups treestar Feb 2015 #224
Yep, me too. She *does* care. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #183
No. immoderate Feb 2015 #5
Meryl Streep was cheering her on. Women in that industry feel it as much or more than pnwmom Feb 2015 #6
Sexist bastards in Hollywood? Who woulda thunk it... CTyankee Feb 2015 #143
I appreciate her using her platform for something so important. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #7
Me too..The criticism is just the usual bs. n/t whathehell Feb 2015 #130
Yeah, fuck us black women. Yep. I agree. We need to stop complaining and shut up. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #178
I don't recall her saying "WHITE women", do you?? whathehell Feb 2015 #200
Again, she did not have no. "White women" is implied in "women". The point many Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #226
She "did not have to"? I don't get it, why would 'women' imply only "white women"? whathehell Feb 2015 #227
I think you may be on to something. bravenak Feb 2015 #201
No. DinahMoeHum Feb 2015 #8
Of course conservatives aren't going to like what she had to say Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #9
She was fine... Spazito Feb 2015 #11
Yes it would be better if women just kept quiet or stuck to polite conversation. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #12
Naw, you guy just tell us black Negro women that Patricia shit on last night to shut up. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #177
This is the part that's causing the stir B2G Feb 2015 #13
It has a little bit of a "you owe us" tone loyalsister Feb 2015 #236
Controversial web headlines to get you to click for their ads cash income. IADEMO2004 Feb 2015 #15
A feminist critique from Cosmopolitan magazine? kwassa Feb 2015 #16
If you don't like the source B2G Feb 2015 #17
Oh, well, that settles it then. liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #121
Patricia Arquette was trmendous. Good for her. She was very brave to speak out. greatlaurel Feb 2015 #18
Jesus H Christ B2G Feb 2015 #19
Your concern is noted. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #21
It's not concern, Cali B2G Feb 2015 #22
you mean like when you asked why health insurance had to cover maternity? CreekDog Feb 2015 #25
Thanks, I was about to bring liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #123
wow. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #40
Why 'wow'? B2G Feb 2015 #44
google this. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #48
!!! pinboy3niner Feb 2015 #51
! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #57
Lol! +1 BeanMusical Feb 2015 #67
Winner! Iggo Feb 2015 #103
Snicker. liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #124
OK THAT made me laugh tkmorris Feb 2015 #169
I'm shocked, Cali. I thought you were more enlightened that this. Arquette is being criticized Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #179
"because she, like many white women, completely ignore women of color and always have" whathehell Feb 2015 #208
YOU NEED TO SAY SO IN YOUR OP !!!!!!!!!! Loud and fucking gawdamn PROUD !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #46
Really? Well, then maybe your communication skills need a tune up. whathehell Feb 2015 #229
Maybe some need a kneejerkectomy B2G Feb 2015 #230
Fail whathehell Feb 2015 #231
Did you not even read the OP? B2G Feb 2015 #233
My Bad..I glanced at it, but just now I read it closely and thoroughly whathehell Feb 2015 #234
Thank you for that B2G Feb 2015 #239
Sure.. whathehell Feb 2015 #240
Ooh some people on the random general public twitter didn't like it underpants Feb 2015 #20
Amy Pascal, the Sony exec who stepped down, said this about gender pay inequality: closeupready Feb 2015 #23
That 2 percent figure is a misunderstanding of statistics. When one person gets a 7% share, pnwmom Feb 2015 #86
Yes, it would be more accurate to say "2 percentage points". n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2015 #109
Not sure why you think supporting wage equality is a problem CreekDog Feb 2015 #24
Hmmm.....I see a pattern.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #27
That post made me sick then and it liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #125
Off the rails? No. Off script? Maybe, but so what? Orrex Feb 2015 #26
No ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #28
Work the same hours as men and you will get equal pay davidn3600 Feb 2015 #29
Drivel n/t alarimer Feb 2015 #31
Alrighty then, Archie Bunker n/t kcr Feb 2015 #34
I'm a front-end web developer justiceischeap Feb 2015 #35
I know a hiring manager in the IT field davidn3600 Feb 2015 #66
There so much to address in this comment but I'm going to stay on topic justiceischeap Feb 2015 #174
What you describe can be found in all industries davidn3600 Feb 2015 #185
Why, yes, sadly sexual harassment is pervasive justiceischeap Feb 2015 #202
+100 n/t whathehell Feb 2015 #214
My spouse worked at two pharmaceutical companies -- Men got FIRED in both for harrassing women whathehell Feb 2015 #242
Your situation is not the norm. Trust the rest of us that know. n/t Dawgs Feb 2015 #36
Your post is the perfect example of why there is a need for voices like Ms. Arquette's and... Spazito Feb 2015 #37
Reading this, I feel like I just warped back to the 1960s/1970s. KarenS Feb 2015 #39
Why do Male Hollywood Actors make more than Female Actors if that is the case? dilby Feb 2015 #41
yes, blame the woman, always. let us just overlook the fact that women are niyad Feb 2015 #129
I am not blaming women, I am blaming employers who know women will not ask for more. dilby Feb 2015 #140
This message was self-deleted by its author niyad Feb 2015 #145
Completely false, and surprising people still believe that. DanTex Feb 2015 #47
Then why have I never seen it? davidn3600 Feb 2015 #54
I quit my job for the very reason that I was paid less than the man who had my job before me. bravenak Feb 2015 #60
Do you know for an absolute fact that it was because of gender? davidn3600 Feb 2015 #68
Yes. I do know for fact. I did payroll. bravenak Feb 2015 #73
How the hell do you know what your peers are making? B2G Feb 2015 #63
I worked along with HR for a number of years davidn3600 Feb 2015 #76
Your company isn't necessarily reflective of the rest of them B2G Feb 2015 #80
then will you be able to sue them under lilly ledbetter? Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #150
Of course, that would be your main concern here. liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #128
What the bloody fuck are you going on about?? B2G Feb 2015 #131
Sorry, but when you ask why your insurance liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #138
I don't care what you believe. nt B2G Feb 2015 #139
It's actually a he: David. DanTex Feb 2015 #144
I have no idea. Maybe you weren't paying attention. It's in the numbers though. DanTex Feb 2015 #69
What we see is based on much more than what is and isn't there. gollygee Feb 2015 #83
Because you are an innocent? JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #93
I have to think that people who deny that women make less, get less promotions, and generally have a DanTex Feb 2015 #146
Thank you DanTex JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #170
why would a man, who has never supported a womans issue, often posting anti women shit, seabeyond Feb 2015 #97
Maybe 2naSalit Feb 2015 #98
Wow. A "were you there?" canard, the same crap used by creationists. alp227 Feb 2015 #100
Have you seen this?...Jill Abrahmson from the "liberal" NY Times?..Widely publicized. whathehell Feb 2015 #204
Your link doesn't work, but have you ever read this study made for the Dept of Labor? davidn3600 Feb 2015 #215
Then try one of these.. whathehell Feb 2015 #216
So every time a woman is fired, we have to automatically suspect gender bias? davidn3600 Feb 2015 #217
Nah, I think we should just forget the whole thing.. whathehell Feb 2015 #222
I have more experience, more seniority xmas74 Feb 2015 #211
After correcting for occupation, hours worked and qualifications, the wage gap may be as much as 5%. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #85
Right, so even after correcting, there's still a gap. DanTex Feb 2015 #89
How much do you think willingness to negotiate for salary plays a role? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #90
No idea. Anecdotally, I'd say not much, but that's just my experience. DanTex Feb 2015 #94
The US government's GAO says the wage gap narrows as women gain experience and education davidn3600 Feb 2015 #104
Not completely. And it looks like that report is for federal employees, not the whole economy. DanTex Feb 2015 #112
Women and men do not make the same choices in life davidn3600 Feb 2015 #153
omg...post 97 says it all. LeftOfWest Feb 2015 #161
Sure. But, again, your story is purely speculative. It's even weaker than anecdotal. DanTex Feb 2015 #162
The data shows when you account for certain things, the gap disappears davidn3600 Feb 2015 #165
First, no it doesn't --at most partially. And second, that depends heavily on what "account" means. DanTex Feb 2015 #168
We'll just have to disagree, that's all davidn3600 Feb 2015 #171
There are people with agendas. That is why I take your personal accounts with a little salt. DanTex Feb 2015 #207
You are suggesting it's sexism to hold women's choinces against them? davidn3600 Feb 2015 #218
It's sexism to claim, in the face of all evidence, that it is women's "choices" and their DanTex Feb 2015 #219
It's called a hypothetical... davidn3600 Feb 2015 #220
Yes, hypothetically, that could happen. But in reality, that doesn't explain the gap. DanTex Feb 2015 #221
It didn't work for me JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #95
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #53
Hey that's uncalled for. No need Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #142
Excuse the hell out of me, but that's just bs. a la izquierda Feb 2015 #59
Nope, it doesn't work that way Gormy Cuss Feb 2015 #64
Nice rose colored glasses you're sporting there. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2015 #82
Where'd you park the time machine? jeff47 Feb 2015 #87
Tell that to Jennifer Lawrence, actor. Leaked documents showed she received a much smaller cut of pnwmom Feb 2015 #88
Sounds like she needs a better agent davidn3600 Feb 2015 #91
That's no excuse and you know it. The agents push and the studios push back. pnwmom Feb 2015 #92
I really don't know how Hollywood structures pay rates davidn3600 Feb 2015 #195
Not by screen time. By bankability -- the power to draw people into theaters. pnwmom Feb 2015 #196
Are you certain that's the way it works in Hollywood? davidn3600 Feb 2015 #197
The article I linked to said it works that way at Sony, in Hollywood. pnwmom Feb 2015 #199
Great point! Did the Southerners think to make it back when those Northern meddlers were Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #105
Are you kidding me?? Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #116
please cite links from RELIABLE, LEGITIMATE sources to back up your statement niyad Feb 2015 #127
Well there is this article... davidn3600 Feb 2015 #137
yahoo? seriously? an article that blames women, typical. it's all about WOMEN's niyad Feb 2015 #148
did someone mention yahoo serious? Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #151
What exactly are you looking for... davidn3600 Feb 2015 #158
my guess is no source would have been credible enough if it didnt fit their narrative Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #152
who is the 'their' you are talking about. LeftOfWest Feb 2015 #154
it wasnt you Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #155
Who was it. LeftOfWest Feb 2015 #156
oh it's you - well i disagree about rbg - we can put a younger healthier woman in her place Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #159
oh it's you LeftOfWest Feb 2015 #160
'oh it's you' wasnt meant as some kind of insult more of familiarity - maybe i should have said Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #164
you are, of course, free to guess whatever you like. most of the posters on this niyad Feb 2015 #157
it's just so predictable - someone says something someone doesnt like so they demand a source Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #163
as I said, many of us are well aware of posting history. niyad Feb 2015 #167
No that's not true treestar Feb 2015 #223
I have never been discriminated against as far as my pay darkangel218 Feb 2015 #225
Yeah, just like Jill Abramson of the New York Times, and, no, she whathehell Feb 2015 #228
Nope JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #30
No. She was right on point, and right in her demands. MineralMan Feb 2015 #32
Nope. i understand what she meant Greybnk48 Feb 2015 #33
dear gawd. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #38
It just never ends, does it? liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #136
Why are you surprised? Racism runs rampant here at DU. No one mentioned that black women receive Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #188
No! In_The_Wind Feb 2015 #42
Well she did start with "All Women" which includes gay women and women of color. dilby Feb 2015 #45
Her sister is transgender RockaFowler Feb 2015 #52
Did not know that, I knew her brother David but not her Sister. dilby Feb 2015 #58
Yep. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #186
I was cheering - and my husband was cheering RockaFowler Feb 2015 #49
At a gathering of her industry heads? Orsino Feb 2015 #50
Sure, we should continue to have "faith in the system" like Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella suffragette Feb 2015 #55
typical pick it apart KT2000 Feb 2015 #56
Eh, screw them... joeybee12 Feb 2015 #61
Fox news thinks so... obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2015 #62
First - Cosmopolitan opinion pieces are just gossip. There was nothing wrong with what she said. Avalux Feb 2015 #65
No! sheshe2 Feb 2015 #70
Are the remarks from the "Selma" winners getting such controversy? Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #71
No... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #84
Patricia is a very inclusive Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #96
A: No Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2015 #101
arent wages negotiated with agents? Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #102
Did an agent negotiate your pay? I have never had an agent. arcane1 Feb 2015 #108
yes-and actors have agents (and i mean actors not waiters/waitresses waiting for a break) Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #113
Don't agents have to negotiate with the same studios that underpay their female employees? pnwmom Feb 2015 #110
that was my question, dont agents negotiate salaries? Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #149
An agent for Jennifer Lawrence wouldn't know what the studio was paying to another actor. pnwmom Feb 2015 #175
Thanks for your concern. nt TBF Feb 2015 #106
You're entirely welcome B2G Feb 2015 #107
Jezebel is a blog aimed at women - not a feminist blog TBF Feb 2015 #166
Correction: Jezebel *IS* a feminist blog...... AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #187
This is going to lead to "what is a feminist" TBF Feb 2015 #213
Maybe. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #235
Fair enough. nt TBF Feb 2015 #237
No. SalviaBlue Feb 2015 #111
These are my opinions on her comments. MADem Feb 2015 #114
Patricia Arquette rocked it. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #120
Not at all. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #126
Not off the rails at all. She was perfect. Phentex Feb 2015 #132
No, and HELL no. n/t whathehell Feb 2015 #133
Good for Ms. Arquette. For everything she said. bigwillq Feb 2015 #134
And not to mention on Twitter. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #190
Put this in context of Time trying to ban the word Feminist daredtowork Feb 2015 #135
I agree. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #193
Thank you. you are SO right.. whathehell Feb 2015 #241
No. hedgehog Feb 2015 #147
Kept hearing radio news bits about "controversial" speech and I thought - wheres the Kashkakat v.2.0 Feb 2015 #172
Patricia Arquette is 100% correct and the criticism of her is BS Renew Deal Feb 2015 #173
Agreed. Whether it comes from RWNJs(Faux News), or SJWs..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #189
SJW= Far Left Fox Nexs romanic Feb 2015 #198
+ 1000 distantearlywarning Feb 2015 #232
I kinda hate to say this, but it *really* needs to be said. AverageJoe90 Feb 2015 #181
Thank you n/t BooScout Feb 2015 #206
I read that as 'let all of us who have been marginalized fight for each others rights!' peacebird Feb 2015 #205
I think you did Kalidurga Feb 2015 #210
From a magazine that teaches women how to wear the right push up bra and groan properly during sex LynneSin Feb 2015 #212
That's kind of ironic. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #238
Yeah, fifty years ago, one feminist wrote for Cosmo whathehell Feb 2015 #243
I can agree with this much, "feminist cred is worthless". Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #244
Um, no. I said "Cosmo's feminist cred is worthless" whathehell Feb 2015 #245
Oh, noes!!! Really??? Now HOW could I have bungled that up??? (sarcasm) Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #246
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