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tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
74. Who do YOU have that will significantly impact the issues Savannahman mentioned?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:51 PM
Feb 2015

There are two different goals being discussed here

1) Having someone from our side win elections, in this case the 2016 presidency.

2) Having someone have a real and significant impact on the issues that affect us all.

You are focusing on number 1 while ignoring number 2. To be fair there are those who focus entirely on number 2 while not acknowledging that without number 1 it can't happen.

It's a ridiculous to and fro pissing contest that nobody ever wins.

That is incredibly articulate, McCamy. TY for it, and TY for writing Nader. Hekate Feb 2015 #1
Blaming Nader is ridiculous. He only got to vote once. He didn't force anyone to vote for him. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #123
I want a robust primary. Where did the OP or I say the Dreaded Name? Hekate Feb 2015 #124
I think what Nader did was EVIL. If he had not been in the picture, GORE WOULD HAVE WON BIGTIME!! trueblue2007 Feb 2015 #127
I'd like to live in your world, for ten minutes. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #2
Awesome post. RiverLover Feb 2015 #16
and we DON'T need to risk it on someone who doesn't have the polling numbers.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #27
word. KG Feb 2015 #17
+10000000 Enough of the INCESSANT THIRD WAY PROPAGANDA woo me with science Feb 2015 #19
This post has OP written all over it.. I urge you to post it that way Fumesucker Feb 2015 #21
Who do you have that has double digit leads over all Republicans? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #29
Which misses the point completely tkmorris Feb 2015 #70
rec this reply. The Turd Way live in some sort of alternate universe Doctor_J Feb 2015 #26
In whose alternate universe....... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #30
In what universe does having a corpodem president pull the country out of the death spiral? Doctor_J Feb 2015 #40
Who do YOU have that has CONSISTENTLY shown double digit leads against ALL Republicans VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #48
Who do YOU have that will significantly impact the issues Savannahman mentioned? tkmorris Feb 2015 #74
Who do YOU have that CAN win? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #88
Your premise may or may not be valid, 19 months out from the GE (doubtful), but even so Doctor_J Feb 2015 #78
It's fascinating that the only merits you tout are poll numbers Scootaloo Feb 2015 #131
So you are promoting the Keystone pipeline as an argument against Hillary? geek tragedy Feb 2015 #32
Actually, some of the environmentalists are idiots to oppose it. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #58
More tar sands oil would flow with a pipeline because it's cheaper. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #62
Oh it's a question of quantity. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #65
the more dirty oil that is extracted and burned, the worse for the planet. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #66
I'm confused. Are "we" supposed to support the Keystone Pipeline or not? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #67
just spout some crap about Hillary and corporations and about 20% of this site will nod their head geek tragedy Feb 2015 #71
The question is one of reality. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #84
The government doesn't build planes. OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #110
Neither does Omega. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #112
No, they retrofitted them. OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #113
Thank you for that. A perfect Op and explanation as to where the democratic party is at. Autumn Feb 2015 #42
Spot on. Phlem Feb 2015 #52
Excellent post. Thanks SM, because the first step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one GoneFishin Feb 2015 #73
+all the numbers. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #108
*mic drop* frylock Feb 2015 #109
Thanks for ... sendero Feb 2015 #133
Thank you for laying truth where lies were tossed. 99Forever Feb 2015 #135
BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!! FUD is the only one pushing "it doesn't matter"... on ANYTHING ...IT DOES MATTER uponit7771 Feb 2015 #136
So you approve of funneling money to Dem supporting billionaires? Savannahmann Feb 2015 #140
If Ds are as bas as Rs, why are you one? treestar Feb 2015 #139
Well normally I suggest a return to principled governance. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #141
Spot on madokie Feb 2015 #3
Just to Clarify daredtowork Feb 2015 #4
It's more of shoving Hillary down are throats davidpdx Feb 2015 #18
Did I miss the line wher the Dreaded Name was mentioned? Hekate Feb 2015 #25
Who do you have that has double digit leads over all Republicans? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #31
Really? what a strange post. Did we read the same op? Sheepshank Feb 2015 #45
Very well said JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #5
I celebrated the FCC ruling, I don't know if you did.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #22
I'm in telecom - wireless JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #23
In all fairness, you do not know what posters here do or do not do in their real lives. Maedhros Feb 2015 #80
Not one fuck to give about what you think is fair and not ! :-) JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #82
I applaud your work, but your post made assumptions that just can't be confirmed. Maedhros Feb 2015 #91
'publicons stole the 2000 election RandiFan1290 Feb 2015 #6
Al Gore fought it all the way thorugh the state courts and the Supreme Court. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #60
Point of order, nader did not cost Gore the election Scootaloo Feb 2015 #7
And the difference between the parties has been shrinking. Orsino Feb 2015 #28
Lets see... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #33
Republican didn't invent inequality, nor is it on the rise only because of the GOP. Orsino Feb 2015 #36
Sure...whatever gets you through the night.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #39
Anyone paying attention can still tell the difference... Orsino Feb 2015 #44
Anyone paying attention knows that VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #46
We may or may not need magical leaders... Orsino Feb 2015 #55
We don't need magic..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #56
People who blame Nader for the 2000 SCOTUS bloodless coup conveniently forget KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #51
Yeah, I thought about mentioning that Scootaloo Feb 2015 #61
That fetid RW meme again? OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #111
Oh c'mon. progressoid Feb 2015 #120
There were many factors. Nader was one. If he hadn't run, Gore would've become President. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #125
Anything to evade holding Republicans responsible, I suppose Scootaloo Feb 2015 #130
What an absurd misreading of my post Jim Lane Feb 2015 #137
Liberals sitting out, eh? Only took seven words for the first false premise. C'mon, McCamy .... Scuba Feb 2015 #8
I wish the OP would respond to you here. Bush v Gore 2000 is an excellent KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #57
Excellent. Badass Liberal Feb 2015 #9
Welcome Back! RandiFan1290 Feb 2015 #10
If the Democratic Party wants to win they need to stop nominiating corporate canidates anotojefiremnesuka Feb 2015 #11
Okay....what is your Non-Corporate Candidate..that has polls showing double digit leads against ANY VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #35
Amazing how you've asked that question at least three times (as far as I read) here, and still BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #59
So throw up your hand and don't vote or vote for someone other than a DEM? Sheepshank Feb 2015 #50
Let's review what the current "corporate candidate" got you... brooklynite Feb 2015 #72
not sure where to start with this load of hooey. KG Feb 2015 #12
It's not the "liberal enough". It's the "too conservative already" Android3.14 Feb 2015 #13
There is nothing more important than keeping the White house. . DCBob Feb 2015 #14
Well said! Kath1 Feb 2015 #15
I am Voting Democratic For the Sake of the Poor McKim Feb 2015 #20
"Killery?" No, you didn't actually say that, right? MineralMan Feb 2015 #116
Enjoy your stay. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2015 #117
Your theory is lovely. Democrats have failed to live up to it for 30 years. jeff47 Feb 2015 #24
that is bullshit! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #37
Ah yes, time to ignore what was actually said for a post from you. jeff47 Feb 2015 #92
didn't ignore anything....your post was abject bovine feces... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #93
And now we move on to "quick, change the subject!" jeff47 Feb 2015 #97
You do a mighty fine job of supporting the OP's argument. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #43
You don't need a majority to make a point jeff47 Feb 2015 #94
You're citing the 50 Obamacare repeal votes geek tragedy Feb 2015 #95
I'm citing it as a vehicle to demonstrate where you stand on a subject. jeff47 Feb 2015 #98
Minimum wage went up in 2009 due to geek tragedy Feb 2015 #105
Hrm...if only minimum wage was the entirety of the issues I listed..... jeff47 Feb 2015 #106
"doing nothing" got us 2010? geek tragedy Feb 2015 #107
I assume that you are unaware of the history of ENDA Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #115
what a bunch of hogwash. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #49
No, I'm demonstrating that Democrats do not live up to the ideals in the OP. jeff47 Feb 2015 #96
I like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren tiredtoo Feb 2015 #34
Agreed! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #38
Interesting how people read and respond to what they want to see guillaumeb Feb 2015 #41
This will never happen but tiredtoo Feb 2015 #121
So True. It's a very clever and effective trap that the 1% has devised for us. Zorra Feb 2015 #47
this kind of lesser of two evils bullshit doesn't fly with me any longer bowens43 Feb 2015 #53
Almost every general election is a lesser of two evils situation for progressives. DCBob Feb 2015 #64
Thank you McCamy mcar Feb 2015 #54
Thank you. Almost everyone in my family fit into those categories. But more important our nation jwirr Feb 2015 #63
i used the importance of our supreme crt for womens rights on the thread about "party loyalty" seabeyond Feb 2015 #68
Preach! draytontiffanie Feb 2015 #69
A majority of Democrats will do just fine under a Clinton presidency. DescendantOfMany Feb 2015 #75
And a bigger majority of Dems AND repukes will do fine under a more liberal president Doctor_J Feb 2015 #79
Then they need to do the heavy lifting and give me that choice in November 2016. DescendantOfMany Feb 2015 #86
You are indicative of why we fail so it is important to give you no other option but to care. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #128
DU rec... SidDithers Feb 2015 #76
And this is exactly the point! n/t Still Sensible Feb 2015 #83
That's because DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #101
Like you give a damn about the generations you'd sell out to corporate run dystopia TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #129
Thanks, McCamy. Yes, some won't be hurt. Others will die. freshwest Feb 2015 #77
I refuse to be coerced into voting the way the Party wants me to vote. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #81
a signature worthy quote: DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #87
Kick and rec! zappaman Feb 2015 #89
We Cannot Afford To Let Republicans Take Back The White House. Literally. Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #90
How I vote in the primary and how I vote in the general election are two different mindsets LynneSin Feb 2015 #99
No offense, but don't people say this EVERY election? PlanetaryOrbit Feb 2015 #100
it's also the reasoning that saddled us with Gingrichcare forever Doctor_J Feb 2015 #114
Now I am the one who is embarrassed, I think this is the best thing I have read in months. randys1 Feb 2015 #102
They can't afford another Clinton either, obxhead Feb 2015 #103
This: riqster Feb 2015 #104
Excellent. we can do it Feb 2015 #118
Why is it folks never seem to think that maybe, if instead of decrying SomethingFishy Feb 2015 #119
Home run! Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #122
From page one of LBN (as of 3:16am CST) Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #126
I have heard a version of this same overwrought, alarmist drivel about every m-lekktor Feb 2015 #132
Excellent Essay! vankuria Feb 2015 #134
Yeah but then they will get out in the streets and start a Revolution treestar Feb 2015 #138
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