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sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
35. I don't mind it if it's between girlfriends joking around,
Tue May 1, 2012, 01:37 PM
May 2012

although the older we get, the more we hunt for the most insulting birthday cards we can find each other ( ), it riles me when a man uses it to describe women though. I know my friends aren't being condesending,not so much so when a man says it.

I am not a girl RobertEarl May 2012 #1
A real egalitarian? redqueen May 2012 #2
it takes serious insensitivity... CTyankee May 2012 #11
Right. RobertEarl May 2012 #16
Oh, you saint, you! CTyankee May 2012 #26
Undertsandable, but take a moment to think about it. redqueen May 2012 #32
Do what you want to do RobertEarl May 2012 #36
and the white male conservative says to maddow.... you girls, .... in order to diminish, dismiss seabeyond May 2012 #39
Seems to me RobertEarl May 2012 #48
seems to me that you are purposely trying to be sexist. why? what is the pay off for you? nt seabeyond May 2012 #56
allow me to offer a word here. His purpose is to get attention. CTyankee May 2012 #61
what a woman you are, lol... nt seabeyond May 2012 #64
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #77
now you are just sounding.... creepy. nt seabeyond May 2012 #82
snork iverglas May 2012 #273
ya. i know .... nt seabeyond May 2012 #274
They can't hurt you if you don't let them. sabrina 1 May 2012 #62
who is excited. called a discussion. nd the way and reasons usage like these seabeyond May 2012 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #118
I find it very offensive of you to accuse another poster of being "a problem" simply for disagreeing DutchLiberal May 2012 #75
It'd be nice to get some answers to those questions. nt redqueen May 2012 #40
Are you not familiar with polling? me b zola May 2012 #109
Since women make up 50% of the population, how are they 'a minority group'? DutchLiberal May 2012 #68
I have explained this to you before. redqueen May 2012 #71
So you're making up your own definitions now? DutchLiberal May 2012 #78
Sweet Jesus. nt redqueen May 2012 #79
Since you seem to have some strange aversion TriMera May 2012 #121
excellent! n/t Scout May 2012 #133
Well, ya know... TriMera May 2012 #152
Yes, we must be kind. They need help. I am more than happy to offer it! CTyankee May 2012 #281
Great presentation nt stevenleser May 2012 #470
but a girl is not a woman. is a boy a man? lmao. nt seabeyond May 2012 #12
Sure. RobertEarl May 2012 #14
He is if he's a good old boy. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #300
A man can be a boy Confusious May 2012 #320
And in that sense, women can be girls, too! Lizzie Poppet May 2012 #347
It's always about context. Hell Hath No Fury May 2012 #3
Yes, hence the two middle-ground poll answers. redqueen May 2012 #5
My daughter plays Fast-Pitch softball... Whiskeytide May 2012 #42
Oh no no no... I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say I didn't welcome men to post... redqueen May 2012 #45
yes... the are playing off of, mocking that is said and good for them seabeyond May 2012 #51
Yep. EFerrari May 2012 #50
Wow! zappaman May 2012 #90
I think it's more about self-confidence than anger issues. DutchLiberal May 2012 #94
That's a good point. n/t zappaman May 2012 #98
That self-confidence that you're so proud of TriMera May 2012 #167
Yes, you turned women into helpless, powerless victims who can't do anything on their own... DutchLiberal May 2012 #190
That's what you got from my post? TriMera May 2012 #195
That's what you said. DutchLiberal May 2012 #198
"You said women can't have any self-confidence because men (the patriarchy) won't let them." Scout May 2012 #257
Sure, if you cut up the quote it's easy to look like you're right. DutchLiberal May 2012 #277
you know you are a male behaving badly, don't you? noiretextatique May 2012 #441
Please, don't assume men are some pillar of self-confidence. Bladian May 2012 #218
Nobody handed me anything Confusious May 2012 #322
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #326
Same here... redqueen May 2012 #97
But you do seem to have reading issues. EFerrari May 2012 #104
The way you said it... "got up into the face of"... redqueen May 2012 #106
Could be. It's the internet after all and we can't see expressions EFerrari May 2012 #120
"asking for a list of forbidden words just misses the mark entirely" redqueen May 2012 #123
Getting "up in someone's face" is just a literalization of "confronting" EFerrari May 2012 #128
not only can it be done without anger, i use a smile seabeyond May 2012 #131
So if someone would refer to you as a girl, you wouldn't be able to 'get into that guys face'? DutchLiberal May 2012 #129
Yes, I'm sure you were very calm zappaman May 2012 #112
Newsflash 2: You don't have to be angry or combative to confront someone EFerrari May 2012 #115
It means to confront someone angrily zappaman May 2012 #119
I'm not hiring editors today. EFerrari May 2012 #124
"I got up in (his/her) face" is so common among my clients that if I had msanthrope May 2012 #306
I can only imagine that you never take exception when someone says to you LanternWaste May 2012 #122
As a native Texan... redqueen May 2012 #125
But if someone insisted those terms were belittling or insulting, would you stop using them? DutchLiberal May 2012 #130
With them, of course TorchTheWitch May 2012 #168
you are so awesome, consistently and always. seabeyond May 2012 #170
So if someone told me the word "and" is offensive to them, I should stop using "and"? DutchLiberal May 2012 #185
I see "bless your heart" as either genuine concern, or a back-handed compliment LanternWaste May 2012 #290
In my experience, they very often are belittling justabob May 2012 #403
You are correct. n/t zappaman May 2012 #132
Me neither leftynyc May 2012 #134
It depends on the age of the "girl" Quantess May 2012 #4
An elderly senior executive referring to his young secretary? redqueen May 2012 #6
"I'll have my woman order lunch" doesn't sound any better. Quantess May 2012 #46
"I'll have Lisa order lunch" MadrasT May 2012 #73
Well, obviously. Quantess May 2012 #166
cuz, you know, saying "i'll ask my assistant to order lunch" Scout May 2012 #74
The way the question was framed to me by Redqueen Quantess May 2012 #173
When I was 20, it might have bothered me. Now at 50+ it makes me laugh and smile. robinlynne May 2012 #7
Really? redqueen May 2012 #9
When somone is being demeaning, it doesn't matter what term they use. It's demeaning. robinlynne May 2012 #8
interesting poll and let me tell you why. what i voted is not specifically how i feel, seabeyond May 2012 #10
I always use "women" when we are talking about women. I reserve "girls" for what are really CTyankee May 2012 #22
good for you. i really had to condition myself to use woman. i love the word seabeyond May 2012 #27
I have tried and tried to understand why so many women have felt this way. CTyankee May 2012 #37
personally investing the time thinking and discussing this. age seabeyond May 2012 #47
Oh. My. God. DutchLiberal May 2012 #84
Veritably a household of fun! n/t zappaman May 2012 #93
You better believe it. EOTE May 2012 #127
I'm always at a loss as how to properly address the woman half of humanity madokie May 2012 #13
Women are regular people, just like men, and just like men, we have different opinions. redqueen May 2012 #15
Thank you madokie May 2012 #28
i dont know. i have a special place in my heart for my father. he was awfully special, too seabeyond May 2012 #30
Mybad madokie May 2012 #52
ya ya ya. nt seabeyond May 2012 #59
That's biased against women without children!!111! redqueen May 2012 #67
If you are over 30 we can use damsel, under 30 we can use lassie, that work for ya? snooper2 May 2012 #17
Please see the update to the OP. nt redqueen May 2012 #20
Update's cool but I don't think that works very well on the public internet tubes snooper2 May 2012 #23
The clarification wasn't about who should be voting... redqueen May 2012 #25
Why would anyone find this demeaning??? cbdo2007 May 2012 #18
Please see the update to the OP. nt redqueen May 2012 #21
Why would African-American men find "boy" demeaning? Gormy Cuss May 2012 #24
Why would you think I would "diminish" my sister's "worth" by calling her a girl? DutchLiberal May 2012 #88
Is your sister an adult? If she is, then yes you risk diminishing her worth by call her a child. Gormy Cuss May 2012 #140
I seriously think some posters have disconnected their theoretical views from the real world. DutchLiberal May 2012 #193
Never took a gender studies class. I've lived life as a girl and a woman. Gormy Cuss May 2012 #208
I just used that as an example; it wasn't an attack on you. DutchLiberal May 2012 #212
IIRC it was consistent with EEOC guidelines Gormy Cuss May 2012 #224
I don't know what EEOC guidelines are. What does EEOC stand for? DutchLiberal May 2012 #229
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Gormy Cuss May 2012 #245
I still think it's nonsense. DutchLiberal May 2012 #247
I understand, but it's not considered such under U.S. law. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2012 #261
That's true. Then again, many laws are nonsense, too. DutchLiberal May 2012 #262
so where's your "False Comparison" accusation now? n/t Scout May 2012 #144
I was comparing calling a woman a girl with calling a woman a girl? DutchLiberal May 2012 #194
nope. try again. Scout May 2012 #259
I compared women to women; you compared women to African-Americans. DutchLiberal May 2012 #265
It all depends on context. cbdo2007 May 2012 #89
I was replying to a question of why it would be perceived as demeaning. Gormy Cuss May 2012 #141
I agree. Well said. n/t DLevine May 2012 #160
Because Andrea Dworkin told them to. DutchLiberal May 2012 #87
don't worry your pretty little head... Scout May 2012 #142
OMG!!!!!1!1 You just said 'pretty little head'! I'm gonna alert!!!!1!1 DutchLiberal May 2012 #179
here's a clue: grown women don't like to be called girls; black men don't like to be called boys noiretextatique May 2012 #445
I first chose the third option but after thinking about it... Spazito May 2012 #19
As a dude may I chime in? Taverner May 2012 #29
Yes! Yes of course, sorry redqueen May 2012 #33
the boys in the band? Playing poker with the boys? dmallind May 2012 #43
The perception of "girls" is different than "boys" Taverner May 2012 #63
There's a difference between the plural and the singular..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #149
Is there ANY term that... 99Forever May 2012 #31
white male privilege takes us a long way seabeyond May 2012 #34
Many offensive terms are used to reinforce social norms... redqueen May 2012 #38
I'm sure he gets it. He just doesn't agree with it. DutchLiberal May 2012 #96
So he understands these terms are used to maintain a group's dominant status... redqueen May 2012 #99
No, he doesn't agree with your theories about these terms. DutchLiberal May 2012 #103
They're not *my* theories, just as the definition of a minority group is not *my* definition. redqueen May 2012 #110
"Fucksake, why do I bother?" i do not know. why? seabeyond May 2012 #111
Hahahahaha... redqueen May 2012 #116
Okay, then he doesn't agree with SOMEBODY ELSE'S theories that YOU used... DutchLiberal May 2012 #113
oh they get it all right Scout May 2012 #146
Or they just disagree. DutchLiberal May 2012 #200
You forgot the sarcasm tag. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2012 #53
No, my friend ... 99Forever May 2012 #174
I'm sorry about the "actual shit" in your life Gormy Cuss May 2012 #215
What you seem not to want to... 99Forever May 2012 #266
What you seem not to want to understand is this isn't trivial. Gormy Cuss May 2012 #279
REAL gender bias... MadrasT May 2012 #280
Be prepared to have your post alerted on because you "don't think women deserve any respect"... DutchLiberal May 2012 #92
spoken like a true ally noiretextatique May 2012 #450
So now the word... 99Forever May 2012 #462
I don't mind it if it's between girlfriends joking around, sufrommich May 2012 #35
I also prefer "Ma'am" to "Mrs." planetc May 2012 #41
Love this post! redqueen May 2012 #49
I prefer Ms. personnally. Hatchling May 2012 #147
I attribute this more to young people not knowing better and not being taught these things ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #154
I've always found the term seriously creepy. closeupready May 2012 #44
I'd say it's more internalized patriarchy than self-respect issues... redqueen May 2012 #55
Yes, that is an excellent point, thanks. closeupready May 2012 #69
My pleasure! redqueen May 2012 #72
I think it's offensive to dismiss other womens' opinions like that. DutchLiberal May 2012 #102
I find your opinion pretty judgemental of other women ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #165
When in doubt, use "Lady". (nt) Nye Bevan May 2012 #54
yuk... societal enforced rule on behavior. yuk... lol seabeyond May 2012 #60
Not sure if serious... redqueen May 2012 #65
I never complain about being referred to as a "gentleman", Nye Bevan May 2012 #80
Ah, but 'gentlemen' were never property. redqueen May 2012 #85
These rules can be confusing.... Nye Bevan May 2012 #91
They're not rules. redqueen May 2012 #95
In all seriousness, are you saying the word "lady" is some sort of insult? zappaman May 2012 #100
Not at all. redqueen May 2012 #105
not an insult, but not a compliment either. Scout May 2012 #148
Nothing ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #162
"The woman in red, is dancing with me, cheek to cheek..." Nye Bevan May 2012 #176
Nothing wrong with the word "lady" zappaman May 2012 #188
That's disgraceful. She should refer to her boobies as "the women". Nye Bevan May 2012 #197
Ha! zappaman May 2012 #201
The word "boobies" clearly belittles breasts. DutchLiberal May 2012 #205
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #252
it's all about context noiretextatique May 2012 #442
Oh, you better believe "lady" can be offensive as hell TorchTheWitch May 2012 #410
i just posted about "lady" noiretextatique May 2012 #444
Actually, they're very simple, if you just keep two things in mind: DutchLiberal May 2012 #108
no thankyou. Whisp May 2012 #101
Uh oh......re-education time. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #155
Cue the bad rock song... Quantess May 2012 #282
I don't mind at all so long as the guys don't mind being called "boys" - lynne May 2012 #57
You'd never here me object. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #156
I have a friend in her 30's who still says "I met a boy!!!" and I think it's endearing Quixote1818 May 2012 #382
What a misandrist! DutchLiberal May 2012 #391
I picked B. woo me with science May 2012 #58
"might sometimes be offensive".... Little Star May 2012 #70
Yes, context means so much... redqueen May 2012 #83
Girls I don't mind abolugi May 2012 #76
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Yes, the context of your taking offense is more personal... redqueen May 2012 #86
It's not the word, but the tone of voice, that tells you if you are being dissed Demeter May 2012 #107
Damn true ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #157
I don't care at all. DevonRex May 2012 #114
Then you must have serious self-respect issues. DutchLiberal May 2012 #117
I just decided a long time ago that DevonRex May 2012 #139
That's a healthy attitude to have! Thanks for your post. DutchLiberal May 2012 #178
Is there a feminine equivalent to the word "guy" tabbycat31 May 2012 #126
Gal. But I hate that word. Sounds too DevonRex May 2012 #135
Really? "Gal" got used a lot in all old movies ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #158
Yes, and "doll" and "broad", which we also cannot use anymore. DutchLiberal May 2012 #206
I think as long as you don't shove a grapefruit in her face...... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #258
"Guys" denotes mature males....while "girls" aren't mature women. Lars39 May 2012 #137
And this becomes a confusing issue for me. Hatchling May 2012 #151
calif i was raised with hi guys, for everyone. texas is hi yawl..... seabeyond May 2012 #153
Opposite for me. Hatchling May 2012 #164
Being born in the north, but raised in the south from about 10 onwards, Lars39 May 2012 #159
In my family frogmarch May 2012 #136
Your poll went in a direction I did not expect. LanternWaste May 2012 #138
btw... i forgot about your post in all this mess of a thread. i wanted to ask seabeyond May 2012 #291
I have a pretty high tolerance for words of all kinds Blue_In_AK May 2012 #143
No big deal. No deal at all. I actually have important things to concern myself with. WillowTree May 2012 #145
like taking the time to post to tell everyone how many more important Scout May 2012 #150
+1 Little Star May 2012 #295
I just find this to be trivial to the point of being a non-issue. YMMV. WillowTree May 2012 #303
well, then, why did you waste that valuable time to make people laugh on this thread? CTyankee May 2012 #307
I hope your day improves. WillowTree May 2012 #310
Pass. Depends on the situation eridani May 2012 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #163
seriously? lol. nt seabeyond May 2012 #171
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you are a genius. you caught me copy and pasting the poster i replied to. seabeyond May 2012 #336
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #340
ah, copy and pasting is not a matter of excuses, but a reality. seabeyond May 2012 #344
seaglas, if you have read any of my posts in this thread, you would recognize that i too seabeyond May 2012 #337
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i think that is what i have done. nt seabeyond May 2012 #345
That, right there, is the key, I think. DutchLiberal May 2012 #368
And that is not the worst part of that thread. DutchLiberal May 2012 #367
Yes, that was my one and only reason... redqueen May 2012 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #233
Well, since it's a public forum it's not technically 'behind their backs'... DutchLiberal May 2012 #214
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That last thing goes without saying. DutchLiberal May 2012 #242
I suppose it depends on the situation KansDem May 2012 #169
I think people should try not to get so offended all the time lunatica May 2012 #172
If the biggest problem someone has is being called a "girl" or a "lady" Nye Bevan May 2012 #177
My Dad always had a smile on his face when he 'and the boys' (his words) were polly7 May 2012 #180
That silly rhetorical device is used way too often... redqueen May 2012 #184
Do you really think that was sneaky or subtle? redqueen May 2012 #183
yeah... lunatica May 2012 #236
No problem with it at all. nt. polly7 May 2012 #175
Funny, I just had this discussion last night with good friend who is a woman... DCBob May 2012 #181
Since we all live in the patriarchy, terms which belittle women are ubiquitous, it is true. redqueen May 2012 #186
I also forgot to mention my friend "convinced" me not to use the term anymore.. DCBob May 2012 #187
Hope you liked the comic! redqueen May 2012 #189
Yes, very good. DCBob May 2012 #192
That darn patriarchy! DutchLiberal May 2012 #217
I'm more sensitive to it because of DU ecstatic May 2012 #191
It's all about context etherealtruth May 2012 #196
I just use "you people" for everybody. I like to offend unilaterally. bluesbassman May 2012 #199
a question seabeyond May 2012 #202
"Gentleman farmer" (nt) Nye Bevan May 2012 #204
Good question. bluesbassman May 2012 #207
interesting. thanks. nt seabeyond May 2012 #211
I use "gentlemen" to open my business emails to address the multiple males on my contact list.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #219
i dont get why the attitude is necessary. i really do not. and yes seabeyond May 2012 #220
I'm sorry....what "attitude"? ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #231
as many posters have said, many of us did not realize the conditioning we have all fallen into using seabeyond May 2012 #235
Your question to the other poster specifically said "You don't use the term gentleman"..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #237
you are telling me, when you talk to the men in your office you use gentlemen and not men? seabeyond May 2012 #238
Sorry, I do, I explained the situations I use it in my OP ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #240
So, where's my nearest re-education camp to fix this seabeyond May 2012 #241
ROTFLMAO DutchLiberal May 2012 #244
The attitude that you don't agree with her. DutchLiberal May 2012 #243
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lol DutchLiberal May 2012 #248
you were the one that INSISTED on only THREE women on ALL of du had an issue with girls and ALL the seabeyond May 2012 #251
Hyperbole. DutchLiberal May 2012 #253
do you need a link. a quote to YOUR statement. talk about fuckin hyperbole. right in seabeyond May 2012 #254
... DutchLiberal May 2012 #260
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2012 #264
You're projecting. DutchLiberal May 2012 #268
and still... i count more than THREE. but hey, ignore it. nt seabeyond May 2012 #270
Enjoy the flamefest by yourself. This is really below my standards. DutchLiberal May 2012 #275
THREE, in the whole wide world, only THREE women prefer to be called a seabeyond May 2012 #276
Dang, Dutch. Mc Mike May 2012 #286
THANK YOU! nt redqueen May 2012 #288
Solidarity, Red. Mc Mike May 2012 #289
i am asking if i can fall in love, another woman is saying mouth dropped open seabeyond May 2012 #292
Thanks, Sea. Mc Mike May 2012 #318
Thanks for your post, I appreciate it. DutchLiberal May 2012 #298
My God. redqueen May 2012 #299
Really? The attack-mode, immediately, again? DutchLiberal May 2012 #304
I guess I should not 'try to teach my grandpa how to suck eggs', but Mc Mike May 2012 #319
Not that you asked for my opinion, redqueen May 2012 #321
If I have your o.k., will do. Mc Mike May 2012 #323
Oh you have more than my ok. redqueen May 2012 #325
Why is my 'sheer volume of posts' "angry revenge" and, for example, seabeyond's isn't? DutchLiberal May 2012 #329
That was just my impression, not meant as an indictment. Mc Mike May 2012 #358
2nd re to 298, per Red's 321 Mc Mike May 2012 #328
You're mixing up two totally different things. DutchLiberal May 2012 #331
I'm sorry you feel that way. It wasn't meant as an attack. Mc Mike May 2012 #364
Third para, fourth para Mc Mike May 2012 #330
5th para, prostitution: Mc Mike May 2012 #348
5th para, porn: Mc Mike May 2012 #350
"Porn is the nazi's way of keeping two people from love," DutchLiberal May 2012 #359
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Har har! But I strongly oppose the Birchers. Mc Mike May 2012 #365
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Para 5 - 10: Mc Mike May 2012 #357
actually.... seabeyond May 2012 #361
Thank you, sea. I lost Dutch, a couple of posts north of here. Mc Mike May 2012 #366
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Your own familiarity is extremely lacking as well, it seems. redqueen May 2012 #385
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Thanks for the welcome. Sorry if I offended you. Mc Mike May 2012 #412
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Thanks for the welcome, again. Mc Mike May 2012 #433
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I didn't pipe up until post 286. Mc Mike May 2012 #440
He was referring to Schrödinger's Rapist redqueen May 2012 #384
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #394
A "girl", was it? redqueen May 2012 #399
All right. +1. Up to speed, now. Mc Mike May 2012 #411
Refreshing to see your posts.... hlthe2b May 2012 #413
Thanks a lot, hl. Mc Mike May 2012 #424
"All black men are potential violent gang members"; "All muslims are potential terrorists" DutchLiberal May 2012 #369
I agree, and I'm so sick of seeing this here. nt. polly7 May 2012 #372
No kidding zappaman May 2012 #373
How DARE you belittle a woman's point of view? DutchLiberal May 2012 #375
You should go to the History of Feminist group if you want to get really sick. DutchLiberal May 2012 #374
You ventured into that den of nastiness? zappaman May 2012 #376
I don't think saying "balls" when you mean "courage" is appropriate on DU3 anymore. DutchLiberal May 2012 #377
Nah ..... I don't go there. polly7 May 2012 #380
Yeah, you'd think that by now, The Patriarchy would have all feminists banned from this website! DutchLiberal May 2012 #389
+ + + + n/t FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #427
You agree? redqueen May 2012 #387
She wasn't replying to that. She was replying to a female DU'er calling all men rapists. DutchLiberal May 2012 #396
Ahem. redqueen May 2012 #386
Either for ONCE, address what I write instead of spamming links or else don't bother me anymore. DutchLiberal May 2012 #388
I read that months ago, as did most other feminists, when it was being discussed. redqueen May 2012 #390
We have never discussed that before and I was never in a discussion about "all men are rapists"... DutchLiberal May 2012 #397
Another excellent and interesting post, along with the Schroedinger's post. Mc Mike May 2012 #414
Comradde PhysioProffe is great redqueen May 2012 #416
First time I've seen the site. Mc Mike May 2012 #420
"feeling very 'entitled'." taht would about sum it up and a wonderful learning example seabeyond May 2012 #421
I tried a few of those here, to see what would bounce back. Mc Mike May 2012 #425
The story of a brave, strong young woman standing up to influential powerful men: DutchLiberal May 2012 #203
So...what are you girls talking about in here? flvegan May 2012 #209
You got stones Brother. bluesbassman May 2012 #213
not really. just his MO. nt seabeyond May 2012 #216
Yep. redqueen May 2012 #223
lol seabeyond May 2012 #225
roflmao DutchLiberal May 2012 #228
After much consideration, the only place where the use of the words "girl" or "girls" bothers me... PassingFair May 2012 #210
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Just don't call me late for dinner. babylonsister May 2012 #221
In context, it's usually pretty obvious if the intent is informality or insult. LeftyMom May 2012 #222
You GO, girl! flvegan May 2012 #255
Was that part of your MO too? LeftyMom May 2012 #263
high five woman..... seabeyond May 2012 #267
I don't need a high five for joking with my boyfriend. But thanks. Or something. LeftyMom May 2012 #269
you are welcome. seabeyond May 2012 #271
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I've got sunshine, on a cloudy day... DutchLiberal May 2012 #226
The Dutchman's not the kind of man.. Mc Mike May 2012 #426
A fascinating thread...I would never use the term to anyone over 14 but I'm a man....Were I female, Rowdyboy May 2012 #227
Is it sexist for me to say I'm broadminded? Bruce Wayne May 2012 #230
Should I be outraged that us guys get jokingly called "The Boys"? Odin2005 May 2012 #239
A lot depends on context varelse May 2012 #249
Just don't call me "ma'am" I hate that. jillan May 2012 #250
I feel the same way with "sir" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #256
My dad turns around and looks for his father when anybody says Mr. His Last Name. LeftyMom May 2012 #272
AS IF this was an actual problem???? BeHereNow May 2012 #283
Ah yes, one of the most common responses when feminists attempt to discuss redqueen May 2012 #285
Redqueen, HERE is an actual problem, wanna come with some of us to make a difference? BeHereNow May 2012 #297
I've never been to Pine Ridge, but have been to Rosebud and the Black Hills Mc Mike May 2012 #419
+1 hifiguy May 2012 #428
yes. womens issues are often put on the backburner, until they arent. like repug seabeyond May 2012 #429
If pandemics, natural disasters or climate change hifiguy May 2012 #430
again, man, good of you to let us women know what we should be concerned with seabeyond May 2012 #431
It really depends on the circumstances. a la izquierda May 2012 #284
I have found this to be a (mostly) very interesting discussion Seeking Serenity May 2012 #287
I'm reminded of the time Lynette Fromm (attempted assassin of Gerald Ford) Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #293
interesting.... isnt it? seabeyond May 2012 #294
Yeah, interesting that somebody was upset by the 'belittling' of an assassin. DutchLiberal May 2012 #305
123 certainly is more than THREE people, right? 123 out of 158. seems to me seabeyond May 2012 #308
So you're actually standing up for an assassin? DutchLiberal May 2012 #311
it is good to see you finally admit calling a woman a girl is belittling. i knew you would come to seabeyond May 2012 #312
... and then she says MEN are condescending toward others! DutchLiberal May 2012 #313
you go in every direction, yet still.... you refuse to own up to a couple simple words. wrong. seabeyond May 2012 #314
And this is the SECOND flame-fest you instigated that you may continue all by yourself! DutchLiberal May 2012 #315
why wont you simply acknowledge there are more than three people in all of du that disagree with you seabeyond May 2012 #316
Dutch tv news today referred to a 27 year old assassin as "the boy". DutchLiberal May 2012 #360
Well, that's Dutch Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #371
I switched to using "women" in college Nikia May 2012 #296
I find that using the terms young men and young women acknowledges the professional Luminous Animal May 2012 #352
that is what i chose. nt seabeyond May 2012 #353
A friend of mine referred to my 22 year old daughter as a "girl" and in the same sentence, Luminous Animal May 2012 #355
I am a guy, so I did not vote. ZombieHorde May 2012 #301
(I'm terrible with time) me too me too. and the more i dont care seabeyond May 2012 #302
Interesting poll. Rex May 2012 #309
I don't have a problem with the term "girl" as long as it's being used by other women. Beacool May 2012 #317
The use of this term drives me crazy. Vinca May 2012 #324
Same - it really annoys me. A subtle way of putting down women TBF May 2012 #327
There are more user names with "girl" in them in the offensive option. FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #332
In group use is vastly different. redqueen May 2012 #333
What you are saying does not bear out in this thread. FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #334
I am SO with you on this. +1000! nt. polly7 May 2012 #342
All about the individual. Society? pff. And apparently 'words have meaning' ONLY redqueen May 2012 #343
Angry? I thought this wasn't about rage. FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #351
LOL, hardly. redqueen May 2012 #354
I'm not interested in the attemps to switch out "their conditioning" for "your conditioning" FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #356
What do you think of another woman telling you that you are "conditioned" & thus should be educated? DutchLiberal May 2012 #370
Apparently i find it offensive. I also find much of what you post offensive. FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #418
why can't people grasp the difference between intragroup usage noiretextatique May 2012 #446
No, it is very simple, you're right. redqueen May 2012 #447
Exactly. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #415
Language is how we communicate ideas noamnety May 2012 #338
It seems very simple, redqueen May 2012 #339
For me, it's context-driven and situational. Lizzie Poppet May 2012 #346
"Taking offense" at anything is something I don't care about and don't do. Waiting For Everyman May 2012 #349
Goes without saying, the only ones who should be referred as girls, are well nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #363
I usually use the term "women" but always feel like I am making them feel old when I do that Quixote1818 May 2012 #378
"I met a boy" seabeyond May 2012 #393
Blame it on the movie Oklahoma. ;) Quixote1818 May 2012 #379
Here's the t-shirt and the hat Major Nikon May 2012 #392
yes... tell me, why do you want to interfer with women discussing their feelings on an issue seabeyond May 2012 #395
Well, a woman in this thread was told by a feminist that "she had serious self-respect issues" DutchLiberal May 2012 #398
and a 139 women on this thread have said it is offensive when a man uses girl to be condescending seabeyond May 2012 #400
And you seem to be missing that over 40 women polled that it was NOT offensive FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #417
Is there more than one person referring to self worth? redqueen May 2012 #422
Last intrusion from me, red: Mc Mike May 2012 #435
There's not one. That DUer got lucky once redqueen May 2012 #436
The Women's rights post-ers that remain are doing plenty of good posting, though. Mc Mike May 2012 #437
of course i dont forget the 40 or so women that do not have an issue at all with girls. seabeyond May 2012 #423
Why do you want to tell men to just shut up? Major Nikon May 2012 #401
i asked you a question. that would be the opposite of asking you to "shut up". so no.... seabeyond May 2012 #402
You asked me why don't I just shut up Major Nikon May 2012 #404
ah hahah. "I would be admitting my intention was to interfere " and by gosh, you certainly seabeyond May 2012 #405
Ya gotta love people who double down when they've been busted cold Major Nikon May 2012 #406
maybe if men wouldnt be so predictable at doing just that, you know, that old conditioning seabeyond May 2012 #407
It's no more offensive than the term "ladies." eShirl May 2012 #409
Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team) deitzjim May 2012 #434
In a lot of ways, it's a compliment Ter May 2012 #439
It is only a compliment redqueen May 2012 #449
I remember many years ago a guy said this to me: Bryn May 2012 #443
Sounds to me like he was criticizing women who internalized the patriarchy's values. redqueen May 2012 #448
true that, but that is an interesting point. the poster above saying a compliment seabeyond May 2012 #451
btw, more and more men are getting into the poll voting they dont mind being called girl seabeyond May 2012 #452
Sad, isn't it? redqueen May 2012 #453
wink. nt seabeyond May 2012 #454
400 plus posts...let me wade into this epic poll thread. Rex May 2012 #455
Since girlfriend has an analogous term for men, redqueen May 2012 #456
I have a huge problem with the word 'boy'. Rex May 2012 #457
Oh yes, I definitely understand. redqueen May 2012 #458
I am sure you have Rex May 2012 #459
Those are very clear examples of when it is used redqueen May 2012 #460
Yes very degrading and dehumanizing. Rex May 2012 #461
very revealing discussion noiretextatique May 2012 #463
If you start watching for this kind of stuff, redqueen May 2012 #464
I'm positive most adults are fully capable of knowing when a word is being used to insult polly7 May 2012 #465
clearly, many do not "get it" at all noiretextatique May 2012 #469
golden girls? spanone May 2012 #466
#1 Decades ago. #2 That's what they called themselves. nt Honeycombe8 May 2012 #468
Call me anything you like except late for dinner.... MindMover May 2012 #467
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