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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
25. Kill the messenger!!!
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 11:51 AM
Mar 2015

The thread topic is none of the distractions you want to bring in. There are Nazi movements across Europe, Hindu supremacists are in the Indian government, and asteroids orbit the sun - so what?

This thread is supposedly about ISIS. It is not about your Reagan-worthy fantasies about how Dem Liberals Blame America for All Bad Things. Your rhetoric is petty, self-pitying, shameful and very right-wing, but that is also beside the point.

On the topic of this thread:

The current existence and territorial position of an Islamist paramilitary in Iraq and Syria is the product of the war of aggression launched by the states of U.S. and U.K., which shattered the secular Iraqi nation and contributed to the eventual dissolution of Syria. There would be no ISIS holding territory without the U.S.-U.K. destruction of Iraq. Furthermore, something like ISIS was the predictable result of the 2003 war of aggression.

A lot of bad, violent ideologies dating back hundreds and even thousands of years are still floating around, including Christianisms in the Crusader mode and a version of Judaism that advocates genocide against Arabs. So? Ideologies are not actors in history. They become relevant through context and agency.

Furthermore, any readers above fifth-grade level and with the slightest sense unblinded by their own ideology will have no trouble figuring out which of the two of us is refusing to "tax the brain," refusing to listen or to respond relevantly, and ignoring elementary logic and facts. Thanks for playing and deal with it.

Why ISIS Exists [View all] kentuck Mar 2015 OP
Well, before the breast beating leaves too many bruises Warpy Mar 2015 #1
Good thing Saudi Arabia isn't the lynchpin of U.S. policy! JackRiddler Mar 2015 #3
ISIS are relative punters compared to the holocaust of murder and unspeakable crimes unleashed by Bush war criminals. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #2
ISIS are the result of the murder and crimes of the Bush war criminals. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #4
The US, primary cause of ISIS? **facepalm** Albertoo Mar 2015 #5
I see your denial is particularly strong. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #7
your explanation is Americanocentric: the US is wrong for everything. Albertoo Mar 2015 #8
That's a false label. I merely remember what just happened. JackRiddler Mar 2015 #9
a vacuum allows assholes to fill it snooper2 Mar 2015 #11
Boko Haram? Chechen islamic separatism? Al shebab? Pakistani madrasas? Albertoo Mar 2015 #19
Kill the messenger!!! JackRiddler Mar 2015 #25
What a childish, narrow-minded answer Albertoo Mar 2015 #39
US DESTRUCTION of Iraq is the ONLY cause of BubbaFett Mar 2015 #16
I will remember that strawberries Mar 2015 #18
That didn't happen when Saddam was in power BubbaFett Mar 2015 #20
I wasn't making an argument strawberries Mar 2015 #22
argument: BubbaFett Mar 2015 #23
what are you my mother? strawberries Mar 2015 #26
you better be glad I am not your mother BubbaFett Mar 2015 #27
Yes it did! Saddam had vast numbers of innocent people killed. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #35
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....x10 840high Mar 2015 #32
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And stupid politicians ... butterfly77 Mar 2015 #6
k&r... spanone Mar 2015 #10
I was expecting a picture of Darth Cheney. Scuba Mar 2015 #12
R&K! RiverLover Mar 2015 #13
"They hate us for our freedoms." H2O Man Mar 2015 #14
The removal of Saddam Hussein and our the destruction of Iraq BubbaFett Mar 2015 #15
Completely wrong brentspeak Mar 2015 #17
you're closer to the mark, i think. But, the U.S. is certainly a significant contributing cali Mar 2015 #21
The poster is 100% correct BubbaFett Mar 2015 #24
Without the invasion, ISIS would not exists, thats a fact. politicman Mar 2015 #30
No. ISIS = wahhbi ideology Albertoo Mar 2015 #40
Bullcrap politicman Mar 2015 #41
You are wrong: the Quran and Wahhab did not wait for the USA to exist Albertoo Mar 2015 #44
and if not stupidly and wickedly unleashed the acts would not be happening TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #31
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Makes as much sense as any other excuse I've heard. Deertoil Mar 2015 #28
"When Washington holds hands with dictators ... hatreds are remembered and passed down over the pampango Mar 2015 #29
Add one more essential but not sufficient precondition for ISIS: destabilization of Libya and Syria. leveymg Mar 2015 #33
ISIS is the spawn of our wars in the Middle East lunatica Mar 2015 #34
Hits the nail in those 4 paragraphs JonLP24 Mar 2015 #42
Found the articles I was looking for JonLP24 Mar 2015 #43
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