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In reply to the discussion: Berlin Alarmed by Aggressive NATO Stance on Ukraine [View all]JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Your version is not impossible.
What I see right now, however, is this:
1) The Donbass fighters won a military victory against Kiev's forces.
2) They are not proxies (as in "invented by Moscow" but an indigenous resistance of Russian-speaking Ukrainians that gets support from Russians privately, and from the Moscow government. Just like NATO supports Kiev and supported the coup last year. The difference being that the war has caused one million mainly Russian-speaking Ukrainians to flee into Russia, where their presence gets Russian-Russians angry about the situation, and where they are doubtless working to gain support.
3) Defining #2 correctly does not mean one supports or opposes any of these sides.*
4) Kiev was pressured at least as much as Putin to effect a ceasefire, since they were losing ground and hoping to make up for it by escalation and conscription.
5) Breedlove, Nuland and Kiev are trying to undermine it with fabrications about a Russian state military "invasion," and have been fabricating similar stories for many months without the appearance of proof (as if an actual "invasion" could be hidden).
6) The German government doesn't like #5 and is using Der Spiegel to expose their views on it openly.
7) The German strategy would seem wise for Kiev instead of trying their hand at conscription and escalation.
8) I hope we can agree that the ceasefire must hold!
* Personally, I'd have been for Maidan if it hadn't been hijacked by nationalists bent on starting a fight with Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Nazis provide soldateska for the Kiev side, but Russian-Russian extremists do the same for the Donbass side. I can't imagine I'd want to run into either paramilitary as a civilian, such formations tend to be barbaric. The Kiev official army, meanwhile, has engaged in some horrific shelling of civilian areas, a lot more of it than the other side.