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Orrex

(63,200 posts)
84. Different conclusions are possible.
Tue Mar 10, 2015, 03:33 PM
Mar 2015

Of the companies out-performing the stock market, what was the state of their fiscal health prior to the woman's tenure as CEO? Was it tanking? Holding steady? On the upswing?

Did other personnel changes occur at high levels that contributed to their solid performance? Did a new CFO come on board during that time and make a big, positive splash?

Did longterm projects/plans/deals/mergers come to fruition during the woman's tenure as CEO?

Did the company outperform the stock market due to insightful top-down management or, for example, by firing 10,000 employees?

What was the overall state of the respective industries? How did similar companies in the industry (rather than industries in the stock market as a whole) perform during the same period?

None of these questions assumes that women aren't responsible for the improved performance, of course--they simply point out that the CEO isn't the only reason for every good quarter, whether the CEO is a woman or a man. In other words, the issue is more complex then checking off a list of strong-performing companies and seeing which ones are helmed by women, and I'm not sure that the HuffPo article addresses this adequately.

Further, the comparison between governments and corporations doesn't assume that corporations can declare war, either. Thatcher is invariably described as having been "masculinized," and therefore her aggressive, warlike nature isn't representative of women in government. That's frankly misogynistic, because it means that she succeeded because she acted like a man and therefore doesn't "count" as a woman.

Why, then, should we conclude that a powerful women in the corporate world succeeds because she acted unlike a man? That's self-serving, circular reasoning.

The bottom line is that I'm not convinced women have some inherent quality that makes them better CEOs, nor am I convinced that the provided evidence supports that conclusion. If nothing else, we must bear in mind that women are still grossly under-represented at the top levels of the corporate world. It's therefore possible that we're seeing a non-representative sample of the group of all potential women CEOs, studying only those top performers who've had the drive, opportunity, and good fortune to overcome the barriers keeping women generally out of those positions. How does the HuffPo article account for this possibility?

A Better World, Run by Women [View all] question everything Mar 2015 OP
What a disgusting piece of trash. nt Bonobo Mar 2015 #1
You can say that again. Aside from being trash, it is historically proven to be WRONG. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #41
I'd love to see this "historical proof" BainsBane Mar 2015 #57
Suddenly you are a fan of evo-psych. Bonobo Mar 2015 #60
Keep laughing at whatever narrative you have going in your head BainsBane Mar 2015 #69
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #63
can we get rid of the dumb misandry on this site. woolldog Mar 2015 #2
Who are "we?" question everything Mar 2015 #29
Count me in also. It is from a Murdoch publication so I didn't expect much to begin with. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #42
Will you consider the ThinkProgress publication? See post #36 question everything Mar 2015 #48
I read this OP and it contradicts historical facts. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #49
women lie all the time and they may not be as physically violent as men but they are violent ND-Dem Mar 2015 #52
Yes, give them an army to control, and like many of the men who had the same sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #55
"I think it probably was designed to create division" = like most 'progressive' BS these days. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #51
Yes, I find it insulting as a woman actually, because it's obviously aimed at women voters sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #53
I think most women know how cruel their own sex can be. Nothing worse than junior high school ND-Dem Mar 2015 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #65
The WSJ has been on a troll-roll this past couple months. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #96
Everyone with a conscience. woolldog Mar 2015 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #64
The scourge of misandry BainsBane Mar 2015 #71
Except in this case, the OP is suggesting that one group of people is biologically better suited to Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #99
the best world would be run by men and women EQUALLY Skittles Mar 2015 #3
Hardly. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #15
I WOULD KICK SCEPTER-SPORTING WARREN DEMONTAGUE ASS Skittles Mar 2015 #20
Yowch! Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #22
It's often been proposed that women have an evolutionary bias toward... TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #4
From the above that I did not include question everything Mar 2015 #30
Pop psych gibberish. "Iron Lady", to the extent it was factually based, closeupready Mar 2015 #31
I like to label things "Pop psych gibberish" in place of anything objective on my part too... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #70
There's no data presented, it's just a theory he's promoting as fact. You're certainly free closeupready Mar 2015 #73
lol, looking at your favorite forum, I get it now. closeupready Mar 2015 #75
Margaret Thatcher was a warmongering moron. She didn't need any 'boys' to egg her on. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #43
"those are the kinds of people who tend to want to have power" = yes. and are generally ND-Dem Mar 2015 #58
Hmm. Orrex Mar 2015 #78
While some may disagree, corporations do not, yet, declare wars question everything Mar 2015 #81
Different conclusions are possible. Orrex Mar 2015 #84
Indeed, the thought of HRC representing the first Woman president makes me violently ill. 2banon Mar 2015 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #66
I actually think we are just socially-biased to internalize our aggression. haele Mar 2015 #44
Flamebait Matariki Mar 2015 #5
Simple rebuttal: Margaret Thatcher n/t Yavin4 Mar 2015 #6
And - Fiorina's reign at HP n/t IDemo Mar 2015 #24
as mucyh as I do want to see women in power DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #7
I have no problem with this article, it's facts and evidence. I have no problem with firmly underahedgerow Mar 2015 #8
Sounds like the female version of Larry Summer's troubling comments from a while back. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #33
Indeed, stating of facts. Here are more: Companies with female CEOs Beat the Stock Market question everything Mar 2015 #36
But but but but apparently it's all stuff and nonsense!!! How on earth could studies or data underahedgerow Mar 2015 #61
Welcome to DU, underahedgerow! calimary Mar 2015 #79
Thank you. I second this welcoming question everything Mar 2015 #88
No one sex is biologically superior to the other Kurska Mar 2015 #9
If I said you had a nice amygdala... Bonobo Mar 2015 #10
Oh baby Kurska Mar 2015 #14
I knew a girl in High School named Amy G. Dala Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #18
Wasn't Luke and Leia's mom Queen Amygdala? Dr. Strange Mar 2015 #25
Ah yes, the one who got together with Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #35
doesn't sound very sanitary. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #19
lol Drunken Irishman Mar 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #12
Anyone who thinks that femaies are peaceful and conciliatory forget junior high. Wella Mar 2015 #13
And has never overheard a group of female workers discussing their female boss (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #47
You know too much! Wella Mar 2015 #56
Is evo-psych in again, now? Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #16
Please read post #36, above question everything Mar 2015 #77
"debate specific issues" like "testosterone is poison, men's brains are wired for fear/aggression, Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #90
Posting from the WSJ question everything Mar 2015 #101
The Melvin Conner piece is "news" and not "editorial"? .... Right. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #102
I'm British. Don't tell me that government by women is a panacea. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #17
I wouldn't be surprised if Angela Merkel's role model Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #62
What an idiot... Oktober Mar 2015 #21
Enough of these excuses for men treestar Mar 2015 #23
Fie! Enough of this flim-sham flapshatterry! Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #98
Sounds like a perfect excuse for all my bad behaviors right here. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #26
I don't know about heads of state, but Mr. Wonderful thinks women make better CEOs. CrispyQ Mar 2015 #27
Nonsense. closeupready Mar 2015 #28
Fiorina is evidence of a better world through women? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #34
Sarah Palin? n/t QC Mar 2015 #37
Until plucked by McCain handlers, she started as a promise of an effective goernor question everything Mar 2015 #82
you're really defending Palin's leadership abilities, now? Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #103
LOL...cool story there Melvin. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #38
Margaret Thatcher, Carly Fiorina, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachman, Kelly Ayotte, Cathy Rogers... stevenleser Mar 2015 #39
You absolutely cannot put Mme Thatcher in the same category as those other women, not by a million underahedgerow Mar 2015 #67
I absolutely can put her in in the same category, your points notwithstanding. Because... stevenleser Mar 2015 #68
I disagree. Mme Thatcher was a good leader with solid ideals and she made the UK a better place. underahedgerow Mar 2015 #80
The poor got poorer. The number of children living in poverty doubled under Thatcher stevenleser Mar 2015 #83
On the other hand, she helped Bill O'Reilly's career in the Falklands. Orrex Mar 2015 #85
ROLFMAO - Well played. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #86
O.M.G. 2banon Mar 2015 #100
You're really trying to defend Margaret Thatcher? Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #93
Yep, that person did that. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #95
Isn't this the same guy that says we should all eat like cave-men? elias49 Mar 2015 #40
OFGS....Look at Policy and not judge all by Sex,Gender, LBGT Hopes KoKo Mar 2015 #46
yeah, golda meir and maggie thatcher were loverly non violent leaders. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #50
More women should run for public office. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #54
Please pass me the raccoon Mar 2015 #72
My local PTA is run by women, and it's a bloodbath Orrex Mar 2015 #74
I'm confused whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #76
Amen. Threedifferentones Mar 2015 #87
My feminist mentor used to refer to "cranial testosterone poisoning". KamaAina Mar 2015 #89
Sort of like when people talk about Estrogen-Based Emotional Disorders and Mental Illness? Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #91
Yes, but she was kidding. KamaAina Mar 2015 #92
So am I. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #94
Don't think I'd put Carly Fiorini as an example of a world run better by women. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #97
Really? Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #104
Speaking truth to male power around the campfire? Did you know that women were traded like pack Monk06 Mar 2015 #105
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