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stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
22. indeed, that's been obvious for years
Wed May 2, 2012, 11:37 AM
May 2012

and was recently demonstrated http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/04/10/150349438/gops-rightward-shift-higher-polarization-fills-political-scientist-with-dread

That was the whole point of the creation of the Pee Party imo, to drag the already well off center ideological dividing line farther to the right, and the dems, including BHO, have been unwilling or unable to avoid being dragged along in that direction. One can reasonably argue that this is due to the hostage taking, etc of the party of "NO!" , but I doubt that it can be sustained on the merits. For example, the recent story about Pelosi and SS/Medicare is really old news. http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/10/27/pelosi-signals-her-willingness-to-cut-medicare-and-social-security-benefits/

The simple fact of the matter is, DC is opreated as if the myth of us being center/right nation is the reality, when of course, we aren't. https://www.google.com/search?q=myth+of+center%2Fright&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGHP_en

This is precisely what underlies the Occupy/99%er movement. We've had a faux duopoloy in DC for decades now, and as I've argued it for better than a decade now, it's better seen as a good cop/bad cop, janus-like condition in DC, leaving us all with an endless stream of "lesser of two evils" choices with every federal election.

Slashing Social Security is a far, far right value MannyGoldstein May 2012 #1
You've heard of the ratchet theory? liberalmike27 May 2012 #9
Like dpbrown May 2012 #25
Any second ... SLASH!!!! JoePhilly May 2012 #40
Is there something specific that you'd like to point out? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #41
Sure, but it should be obvious. JoePhilly May 2012 #44
Are you claiming that Obama and other Dems haven't called for Social Security to be slashed? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #45
Please post the video of Obama calling for Slashing Social Security. There must be one. JoePhilly May 2012 #48
We can start with the 2011 State of the Union Address MannyGoldstein May 2012 #52
Other than that, Manny, you got nothin'. rhett o rick May 2012 #54
You got me. MannyGoldstein May 2012 #74
Weird that people still pretend Obama's not an austerian. girl gone mad May 2012 #71
must be entertaining to live in an alternate reality... where the debbil obama slashes SS... dionysus May 2012 #77
Are you claiming that Obama hasn't called for cuts in Social Security benefits? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #79
not going to play your game, manny, we all know what you're doing here. dionysus May 2012 #81
Good call. MannyGoldstein May 2012 #82
Unfortunately, the SoU quote Manny posted proves he's right. Ken Burch May 2012 #90
I'm going to need to get one of the "Obama is evil" decorder rings. JoePhilly May 2012 #98
The quote you posted from the 2011 State of the Union says the exact oppoiste of what you say it JoePhilly May 2012 #97
One step at a time. It seems that MannyGoldstein May 2012 #105
So why do Obama and other Dems keep talking about it? n/t eridani May 2012 #61
It's Like a Perpetual Game of Tennis liberalmike27 May 2012 #69
+ 1 million n/t eridani May 2012 #72
It seems that our political spectrum spans from the John Birch Society to the Republican Party myrna minx May 2012 #2
To be fair.. Fumesucker May 2012 #3
Fluorinated water makes that fact escape the 'baggers !11! myrna minx May 2012 #5
This is ProSense May 2012 #4
So ProSense, are you saying that you fundamentally disagree with a major point bullwinkle428 May 2012 #20
Nope ProSense May 2012 #30
Eh... kenfrequed May 2012 #65
The Obama administration doesn't deserve credit for declining prison populations. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #32
As I pointed ProSense May 2012 #36
still growing faster than the population is. HiPointDem May 2012 #93
Democrats in office have moved right on foreign policy, economics, health care, and energy YoungDemCA May 2012 #91
Dems have maintained (maybe even advanced) the line Jackpine Radical May 2012 #6
As Bill Maher said: Democrats have moved to the right, and Republicans have moved to the asylum. marmar May 2012 #7
ain't that right? nt xchrom May 2012 #8
Democrats are taking over the Republican role and donor list kenny blankenship May 2012 #46
That about sums it up. nt TBF May 2012 #66
They want to keep the Deep Pockets happy and appreciative radhika May 2012 #10
Yep, they have. Only I would say they have moved right on all but social issues. 20score May 2012 #11
Correct.....They're for anything that doesn't cost money...Yes, the Dems have moved to the Right whathehell May 2012 #99
I do not believe they can continue to move to the right... kentuck May 2012 #12
Maybe they can get elected but hay rick May 2012 #16
I dont agree. I see the Democratic Party moving right and becoming the Centrist Party rhett o rick May 2012 #56
Would that be good or bad? kentuck May 2012 #68
IMO it would be bad. It would be essentially a one party system. nm rhett o rick May 2012 #103
Agreed...I find the president's silence on labor issues very disturbing. whathehell May 2012 #100
If you look at if from a bourgeois liberal viewpoint it certainly seems that way.. Fumesucker May 2012 #13
If you look at it from a populist liberal viewpoint, it definitely IS that way. marmar May 2012 #14
Evidently you haven't read this yet.. Fumesucker May 2012 #18
When I refer to liberal populism, I'm not talking about elected officials. marmar May 2012 #21
I have one quibble with this OP. JDPriestly May 2012 #15
Look no further than today's news gratuitous May 2012 #17
"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #19
There, in a nutshell, is my rationale for being adamantly independent and anti-partisan. TahitiNut May 2012 #26
indeed, that's been obvious for years stupidicus May 2012 #22
+1 xchrom May 2012 #23
K&R n/t DeSwiss May 2012 #24
I feel like my party keeps trying to appeal to Dennis Miller. raouldukelives May 2012 #27
That nails it for me. Thanks! n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #89
Effective governing always includes compromise.... cbdo2007 May 2012 #28
kinda funny hfojvt May 2012 #35
Compromise does NOT mean splitting every decision 50/50. cbdo2007 May 2012 #42
oh, I get that all too well hfojvt May 2012 #43
Wow, your knowledge about our President is just as bad as cbdo2007 May 2012 #51
That's a cute sentiment, but it doesn't describe reality. Marr May 2012 #107
And in other news, water is wet RufusTFirefly May 2012 #29
I respectfully disagree with this theory. Jamaal510 May 2012 #31
cap and trade is not even a progressive solution. it creates a new market scam yurbud May 2012 #33
This is the ProSense May 2012 #39
the article you linked said there wasn't necessarily a causal link yurbud May 2012 #55
+1. just another rentier class "solution". the money men make money, the rest of us pay for it. HiPointDem May 2012 #94
some of us will be fortunate enough to live next to those who bought pollution credits yurbud May 2012 #102
That is the problem. Octafish May 2012 #34
How does any parasite sleep at night? white_wolf May 2012 #49
It's just business, it's not personal. nm rhett o rick May 2012 #53
On designer sheets. /nt Marr May 2012 #108
From what I understand the Democratic party are third-way (centrism) party. (nt) MichaelMcGuire May 2012 #37
I don't consider doing what is right moving to the left. jp11 May 2012 #38
Thank You For Your "Concern" SpencerShay May 2012 #47
First of all, the OP didn't push any third party. white_wolf May 2012 #50
Xchrom does not deserve this personal attack (nt) MichaelMcGuire May 2012 #57
+ 1 AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #64
xchrom doesn't deserve this nasty reply, nor is simply posting this article from Mother Jones myrna minx May 2012 #59
+ 1 AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #63
What a rude response to a valued member of Democratic Underground. demmiblue May 2012 #62
This is a discussion board. Please don't engage in personal attacks against DU'ers. Better Believe It May 2012 #67
"what kind of idiot" paulk May 2012 #70
Horribly rude, ucalled for response! markpkessinger May 2012 #73
thank you for yours fascisthunter May 2012 #76
I see you've met our welcoming committee here. LOL. AtomicKitten May 2012 #80
and thank you for YOUR "concern" Raine May 2012 #84
A little new to the party to be dropping the 'Concern' brick, aren't we? WilliamPitt May 2012 #104
"and try to get other democrats to vote third party, in order to help republicans win elections" marmar May 2012 #106
Cap-and-trade usrname May 2012 #58
Endless War, War on Drugs, Mandatory for profit insurance, Bankster bailouts... Romulox May 2012 #60
Even "Cap & Trade" is an old Republican idea. bvar22 May 2012 #75
Yes, EXACTLY.. nt Raine May 2012 #86
Metrics and social issues have changed DaveJ May 2012 #78
I agree - they've moved to the right... polichick May 2012 #83
EXACTLY on point. nt Raine May 2012 #85
K&R (n/t) a2liberal May 2012 #87
j'adore xchrom MNBrewer May 2012 #88
which is why I say Conservatives control congress PatrynXX May 2012 #92
in today's world mittens dad would be a moderate democrat madrchsod May 2012 #95
There's about a 2% diff. btwn (R) and (D) nowadays. blkmusclmachine May 2012 #96
Yeah, over 30 years ago. Independents did the same thing NNN0LHI May 2012 #101
Since there's a consensus that the Left has been ineffective at influencing the Democratic Party Telly Savalas May 2012 #109
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