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ND-Dem

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117. once an editor with ties to monsanto was appointed.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:28 PM
Mar 2015

We would like to comment on your answers (Hayes, 2014a) concerning the retraction of our study (Seralini et al., 2012 and Hayes, 2014b) by Food and Chemical Toxicology (FCT). Our study investigated the long-term effects in rats of consumption of two Monsanto products, a genetically modified (GM) maize and its associated pesticide, Roundup, together and separately. The decision to retract the paper was reached a few months after the appointment of a former Monsanto employee as “editor for biotechnology”, a position created for him at FCT ( Robinson and Latham, 2013). In a recent editorial, Portier and colleagues express concern about the “dangerous erosion of the underpinnings of the peer-review process” in the case of our study ( Portier et al., 2014).

The criticisms from Monsanto and others focused on two aspects of our study: the relatively low number of rats used compared with the 50 per sex per group usual for carcinogenicity studies (OECD, 2009a) and the strain of rat used, the Sprague–Dawley. The critics alleged that the Sprague–Dawley rat was prone to tumours and that therefore the increased rate of tumorigenesis found in some of our treatment groups was purely random, even if this strain is commonly used in toxicology. Other answers to critics have been already published (Seralini et al., 2013).

These criticisms were subsequently adopted in your statement explaining the decision to retract our study. You wrote that the low number of rats and the strain selected meant that the conclusions on two aspects of our study – mortality and tumorigenesis – were “inconclusive” (Hayes, 2014a). In addition, you attested that our raw data were “not incorrect”, “there was no misconduct”, and that “Unequivocally, the Editor-in-Chief found no evidence of fraud or intentional misrepresentation of the data” ( Seralini et al., 2014).

We are sceptical about the rationale given to retract our paper, in light of FCT’s recent publication of another study (Zhang et al., 2014) which, like ours, investigated the potential chronic effects of consumption of a genetically modified (GM) crop. Unlike our study, however, it concluded that the GM crop tested, a transgenic insecticide-producing rice, was as safe and nutritious as conventional rice. Yet according to your criteria, it is at least as inconclusive as our study. Thus, it should not be published. Double standards are clearly used in evaluating Seralini et al., 2012, Hayes, 2014b and Zhang et al., 2014 in FCT.


FCT’s retraction of our paper, while not retracting studies – Zhang et al., 2014 and Hammond et al., 2004 – is an example of unscientific double standards. The decision to retract our paper appears to be results-driven, in that findings of safety in Zhang et al., 2014 and Hammond et al., 2004 have not been subjected to critical analysis and have been allowed to stand, whereas our findings of risk have been viewed with suspicion and forcibly retracted. As a result, economic interests have been given precedence over public health.

The use of double standards by the editors of scientific journals in evaluating studies on matters important to public health will damage the image and the value of science.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691514002002

Fine, label them so I can know what I am serving my family. If they are so great let me chose them peacebird Mar 2015 #1
Will you also be glad to make use of medical technology... Lancero Mar 2015 #2
If GMOs are so marvelous you should be able to label them & sell them for higher$$$$, right? peacebird Mar 2015 #5
The labeling movement shot themselves in the foot. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #7
Just last Wednesday I saw this firsthand. Archae Mar 2015 #10
I don't know from 'tender seedlings'. Or hippies. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #33
tell it to bill nye. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #51
Nye is not a trained geneticist or a food scientist, so the anti-GMO crowd dismisses him. Orrex Mar 2015 #111
Organic is a marketing label, nothing more. alarimer Mar 2015 #123
I'm proud to support GMOs - Can you link to any studies that show my examples have negative impacts? Lancero Mar 2015 #17
i hope the chemical companies hopemountain Mar 2015 #56
The Mexican government stopped Monsanto from selling the seeds. HuckleB Mar 2015 #59
"Peer review" is meaningless Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #105
very interesting. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #113
Your link is baseless. HuckleB Mar 2015 #120
Please list these "thousands of peer-reviewed" studies from around the world Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #126
Full disclosure please. How do you roody Mar 2015 #77
Full disclosure please. How do you HuckleB Mar 2015 #81
Not at all. roody Mar 2015 #83
You're scaring me. HuckleB Mar 2015 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author ND-Dem Mar 2015 #114
I don't. Lancero Mar 2015 #118
Listen, feel free to feed your family whatever you want. My family doesn't want GMOs. We don't sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #109
Well said. I don't get the attempt to FORCE people to eat what they don't want to eat. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #110
I don't have diabetes. I don't need insulin. Label the food so we can decide whether to put sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #108
+100. They want to feed ordinary people crap. Only the rich should be able to choose. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #115
Maybe you should learn about science, and get back to us. HuckleB Mar 2015 #50
bad propaganda sure does suck, especially the kind financed by the kochs. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #52
Follow the money.... peacebird Mar 2015 #58
How would you have them labled? Bradical79 Mar 2015 #61
Forget labeling GMOs! We Need "Mutation Bred" Labels NOW! HuckleB Mar 2015 #62
We're talking about... sendero Mar 2015 #3
Then call em GMF - Genetically Modified Foods. Lancero Mar 2015 #4
That's great, but a few people calling them that isn't going to change the dialogue. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #34
I think I will just keep on buying locally grown veggies and fruits and meats from the Amish leftofcool Mar 2015 #6
Yeah, that'll feed 7 billion people... Oktober Mar 2015 #13
GMO production in China nationalize the fed Mar 2015 #23
The 7 billion people can eat all the GMO foods they want leftofcool Mar 2015 #28
The Amish are notorious for abusing their animals. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #22
Having lived among them for the last 8 years leftofcool Mar 2015 #27
Most objections to GMO's are really objections to overuse of herbicides bhikkhu Mar 2015 #8
There's also the problem of cross pollination sakabatou Mar 2015 #15
Exactly. silverweb Mar 2015 #19
What about GMO's that remove the need for chemicals in the first place? luke102938 Mar 2015 #97
Please give examples. silverweb Mar 2015 #99
Hear, hear! Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #106
+100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #116
Except that isn't a objection to GMO's. Lancero Mar 2015 #24
One thing I've noticed, inevitably... Archae Mar 2015 #9
Unlike the pro-gmo side laundry_queen Mar 2015 #11
I'm pro GMO - Can any of the medical sites be linked to Monsanto? Lancero Mar 2015 #14
I said blogs, didn't I? laundry_queen Mar 2015 #20
I don't recall those names... MrMickeysMom Mar 2015 #12
So should GMO technology be banned for potental risks? Lancero Mar 2015 #16
You just made the point of this clearer... MrMickeysMom Mar 2015 #41
I have to in part, disagree. longship Mar 2015 #53
Let me state once again what I said to evaluate your understanding... MrMickeysMom Mar 2015 #63
No, I said genes do not survive digestion, which is a fact. longship Mar 2015 #98
It's only a bunch of gobbledygook if you don't understand basic biology... MrMickeysMom Mar 2015 #102
I am only aware of one of these studies. (Updated.) longship Mar 2015 #103
You won't bother? Apparently, you don't bother to read further than you want. MrMickeysMom Mar 2015 #107
I discard bogus science. longship Mar 2015 #112
once an editor with ties to monsanto was appointed. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #117
"...genes do not survive the digestion process" proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #127
Read on: Orrex Mar 2015 #129
From your link... longship Mar 2015 #130
Complete fiction. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #84
Utter tosh! longship Mar 2015 #86
Science does not matter to that individual. HuckleB Mar 2015 #90
at least they don't 'cite' websites funded by the kochs and run by the living marxism group... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #66
Comon folks, if the ever stated claim of 'all GMO's are bad' is true... Lancero Mar 2015 #18
Some are, some aren't. The 1992 FDA (under the Rethugs) decreed that henceforth pnwmom Mar 2015 #21
If you are so effing proud of these products... 99Forever Mar 2015 #25
Why don't organic companies label food developed using mutation breeding? HuckleB Mar 2015 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Mar 2015 #69
Awww, cute. You don't like it when your BS is shown for what it is. HuckleB Mar 2015 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Mar 2015 #72
No one is insulting your intelligence. HuckleB Mar 2015 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Mar 2015 #74
The "link" you requested has nothing to do with reality. HuckleB Mar 2015 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Mar 2015 #79
No, you don't get it. HuckleB Mar 2015 #80
... 99Forever Mar 2015 #82
How much does BASF pay you? HuckleB Mar 2015 #91
Is this the new meme? We are saying GMO instead of GMF, so, um, so what? djean111 Mar 2015 #26
If GMO food is great why the need to trick people into eating it? GoneFishin Mar 2015 #29
People already buy pounds of junk food they know is horrible for their family. tridim Mar 2015 #32
And every consumer is exactly like every other consumer. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #35
That's not true leftofcool Mar 2015 #36
People don't buy junk food? M'kay. tridim Mar 2015 #37
You said people are lazy consumers and will buy anything. leftofcool Mar 2015 #38
So the dedicated junk food aisles in every grocery store don't exist? tridim Mar 2015 #39
Re-read your post. you did NOT say most! leftofcool Mar 2015 #40
If mutation breeding food is great why the need to trick people into eating it? HuckleB Mar 2015 #49
Do You think we should label foods "Mutant" and "Cloned" also? luke102938 Mar 2015 #100
And the tonnage of pesticides needed to sustain them aren't great. no_hypocrisy Mar 2015 #30
Say what? HuckleB Mar 2015 #70
Good fucking grief! Not only are insulin-making bacteria living in vats separated from eridani Mar 2015 #31
The anti-GM lobby appears to be taking a page out of the Climategate playbook HuckleB Mar 2015 #42
"Some people.."? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #43
Politics is not science. HuckleB Mar 2015 #44
Neither is agrobusiness. Apparently, Europe is out of scientists that agree with you. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #45
Europe has plenty of scientists and science that show GMOs are safe. HuckleB Mar 2015 #47
Have you found a paper yet that says GMOs are safe? immoderate Mar 2015 #54
Funny that none of the listed countries ban GMO medtech Lancero Mar 2015 #65
Some are, some are not. hunter Mar 2015 #46
"The HepB vaccine is ALSO produced by use of GMO technology. " KamaAina Mar 2015 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #57
LOL! HuckleB Mar 2015 #60
Safety and efficacy are the topics. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #76
You offer nothing but anti-vaccine con games. HuckleB Mar 2015 #78
Figured someone would get a kick out of that. Lancero Mar 2015 #64
There is a great deal of overlap already. HuckleB Mar 2015 #67
Oh, anti-GMO tends to go hand in hand with anti-vax, chemtrails, and the whole shebang. HuckleB May 2015 #133
Someone is kicking this thread, and it can only be one of two people. HuckleB Mar 2015 #55
They are so great! roody Mar 2015 #85
Why don't you want all seed development technologies labeled? HuckleB Mar 2015 #89
And all that extra roundup in our food means weeds will not grow in our intestines. randr Mar 2015 #87
So GMOs don't lead to increased yields? HuckleB Mar 2015 #92
Organically maintained soils produce the highest yields of healthy food randr Mar 2015 #94
Can you support those claims with a clear consensus of peer-reviewed science? HuckleB Mar 2015 #95
Do you mean 'scientists' employed by Monsanto etc? randr Mar 2015 #96
So you admit that you have no basis for your claims. HuckleB Mar 2015 #119
My claim is that GMO's are developed to allow an increased amount of randr Mar 2015 #121
Your argument is false, and you are already backing away from your previous claims. HuckleB Mar 2015 #124
I oppose GMO ingredients in food, I support the manufacture of novel GMO drugs unavailable otherwise proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #93
More. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #132
The genetically modified food in your tummy is making you say those things. Rex Mar 2015 #101
What utter BULLSHIT. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #104
+ uh Brazillion. Me, I like how the seeds don't reproduce. Octafish Mar 2015 #131
Golden rice has the potential for ending many cases of blindness. alarimer Mar 2015 #122
But Vandana Shiva sez it's bad Orrex Mar 2015 #128
(Not directed toward KA) I saw the top link on Twitter the other night. proverbialwisdom Mar 2015 #125
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