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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
627. It took me years to separate the people from the policy they benefit from.
Fri Mar 20, 2015, 07:35 PM
Mar 2015

Years. I had therapy and still do. She is still young. We need to prevent people from needing therapy to be ABLE to separate the people from the policies they benefits from and that many support. We need to end it instead of expecting psychologically abused populations to have the strength of mind to be ABLE to handle it. Not only are they harmed by it but they are poor and have fewer resources than I had to deal with it. Many go days without seeing one white person face to face because they move away as we move in.
I was lucky to spend a significant amount of time here in Alaska in a very nice neighborhood with great schools and kind white people who were NOTHING like the ones I had known. I was still, scared for a long time and was scared of rejection. I made it but I had much support and many white friends and family who never took it the wrong way when I was stone silent or uncooperative. And they defended me in tough times. I think the vigorous defenses from the when I was too scared to say anything helped me with my level of trust. I can make friends with a guy at the bus stop in the middle of racist ville usa, now. I even explain to so called racists that they are just not racist, sorry, just assholes. Not everyone can be lucky enough to gain the experience to get through the anger and fear of rejection.

I love everybody, even my detractors at this site. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #1
It does not happen. bravenak Mar 2015 #4
yes, every white person is exactly the same in how they treat or relate to cali Mar 2015 #8
Stop and frisk. bravenak Mar 2015 #12
SB 1070 here in Arizona and similar anti-immigration azmom Mar 2015 #247
Screaming about the 'hordes' coming across the border. bravenak Mar 2015 #250
Demanding that we brown people show azmom Mar 2015 #276
Yep. Sherriff Joe. bravenak Mar 2015 #293
"Stop and Frisk" is not the SOP across the U.S. Jenoch Mar 2015 #479
It happens in many places from Diego to the Bay, from Miami to NY. bravenak Mar 2015 #481
You are implying that all law enforcement agencies Jenoch Mar 2015 #489
Most do it whether it is policy or not. bravenak Mar 2015 #490
Again, I'm not denying that it happens, Jenoch Mar 2015 #496
It does not matter if it is sop. It should stop since we know it happens. bravenak Mar 2015 #498
Wow, talk about damning with faint praise CreekDog Mar 2015 #514
I'm not defending. Jenoch Mar 2015 #635
She is making perfect sense - Has there ever been a policy that authorizes blm Mar 2015 #29
Big surprise LOL you did NOT disappoint LOL NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #89
ain't nothing funny about you insinuating that I"m a racist. It's vile and it's a lie. cali Mar 2015 #155
I dont have to IMPLY anything, your words and attitude are here for all to see NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #202
oh please. don't be so transparent. it's obvious that's what you've done on more cali Mar 2015 #238
Bullying? Not my intention. Actually I was hoping you would stop for a minute and think NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #243
White people ARE all racist, in varying degrees. The problem is that they continue to deny it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #454
I think sometimes we use the word "racist" when we should actually be using the word "bigot" notadmblnd Mar 2015 #527
No, I mean racist. I'm very clear on the meaning, thanks. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #622
ALL people are racist, in varying degrees AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #573
Are you claiming to be a victim of reverse racism? CreekDog Mar 2015 #515
There is no such thing as reverse racism AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #574
Yup CreekDog Mar 2015 #637
There is a difference between racism & prejudice 7962 Mar 2015 #258
Everybody has prejudices, only those in power can be racists NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #262
So the Klan arent racists? 7962 Mar 2015 #267
It's white supremacy that gives them any power at all. bravenak Mar 2015 #270
Damn right, and the most terrified I've ever been was in a little town in northern Virginia- raven mad Mar 2015 #336
Even if I were white I would have had a heart attack. bravenak Mar 2015 #344
Not in 1964 in Virginia you wouldn't! raven mad Mar 2015 #359
Ha ha!! bravenak Mar 2015 #362
so all white people are in power? you seem to be contradicting yourself. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #442
What utter nonsense mythology Mar 2015 #576
sigh NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #582
Sociology only deals with institutions and groups, not individuals AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #577
Sure, but racial prejudice IS racism! When you have an aversion to someone else based solely on race Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #457
Huh? Chauvinism is NOT racism. Guess it depends on which Webster's you look up 7962 Mar 2015 #521
Where did I write or imply that chauvinism = racism. I posted the definition Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #623
I know it wasnt YOU, but i also posted from Webster's. And that one doesnt mention it. 7962 Mar 2015 #629
Jesus, yet another idiotic post. Goodbye! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #648
This message was self-deleted by its author one_voice Mar 2015 #398
Um, no... one_voice Mar 2015 #399
Sorry, this is not up for debate, some things are just facts NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #400
Sorry your opinion aren't facts... one_voice Mar 2015 #402
Trust me, I am not the original author of this statement of fact, I am just a white NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #404
Great, then it should be no problem to give... one_voice Mar 2015 #408
Bravenak's only mistake is her implied exclusion of other race Scootaloo Mar 2015 #494
no links or facts necessary, history is the only link necessary heaven05 Mar 2015 #654
Yes, they ARE facts. If you are white, you enjoy certain privileges that come with having white skin Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #459
I thought you said.... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #443
Everybody who grows up in a society where race has salience is racist to some degree, and that ND-Dem Mar 2015 #441
Cali's not a racist, and is one of the stronger anti-racist voices on DU Scootaloo Mar 2015 #491
+100 heaven05 Mar 2015 #652
Her post does NOT claim that we whites are all alike. It merely clarifies tblue37 Mar 2015 #132
I don't think that's what brave is trying to say, cali - raven mad Mar 2015 #329
Affirmative Action! I've had white women come at me in hostility, assuming that I got to one of the Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #451
Exactly a point I tried to make several years ago. raven mad Mar 2015 #322
I'll take what I can get. bravenak Mar 2015 #326
Birmingham............... raven mad Mar 2015 #331
I love my sweet tea extra sweet. bravenak Mar 2015 #370
Well put. I couldn't agree with you more. davidsilver Mar 2015 #357
That I have detractors on this site or that I love everybody. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #361
LOL! That we should love everyone even though we should hold them accountable. davidsilver Mar 2015 #367
like- love- trust- respect DustyJoe Mar 2015 #383
I thinka generalization like this is pointless- and worse. cali Mar 2015 #2
People got upset at the fact that a black woman hates whit people in this anti black nation. bravenak Mar 2015 #7
I'm not upset...I am disappointed... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #10
So is she. bravenak Mar 2015 #18
so everyone who disagrees with her who is white is a racist? what else could be cali Mar 2015 #34
No. I think we have 50 million racists in this nation. bravenak Mar 2015 #131
Thank you for the generous underestimate. Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #215
I agree. It will take her time. It took me until my twenties. bravenak Mar 2015 #256
If you really think that then sadly you are part of the problem. 7962 Mar 2015 #278
There are millions of them. Fifty million is being conservative. bravenak Mar 2015 #282
If you really think thats true, then its a lost cause. 7962 Mar 2015 #288
It is not about voting for Obama or Clinton. bravenak Mar 2015 #292
Then how are blacks any different than whites, according to your point in the OP? 7962 Mar 2015 #301
I never said any of that. bravenak Mar 2015 #303
It isn't that big a number, it is absurd to think that no way a quarter or a third of whites are TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #549
And the words of people like Banks just gives ammo to the racists out there. 7962 Mar 2015 #583
Moved the goal posts a significant minority isn't "most" but rather an unfortunate too many TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #659
you have no empathy heaven05 Mar 2015 #675
And of course, you have no idea what I've been through in my life, nor I you. 7962 Mar 2015 #683
I'm stating 200 million. I'm one of them. jobycom Mar 2015 #433
This was a great post. We have gotten so many great posts on this thread. bravenak Mar 2015 #438
excellent heaven05 Mar 2015 #650
I think there are many more than that, my friend. Many more. And sorry. White liberals are worse. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #464
I am so glad you showed up. I can't keep myself from saying what needs to be said. bravenak Mar 2015 #468
Don't you know the new rules? When we call out racism that makes US racists. It's ridiculous, right? Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #474
Thank you! bravenak Mar 2015 #480
Yeah, what you said. Back in that day, It shocked me too. IsItJustMe Mar 2015 #499
geez heaven05 Mar 2015 #200
+1! nt tblue37 Mar 2015 #138
I would then offer her this DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #218
I'm about to get you, hold you butt. bravenak Mar 2015 #233
money DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #332
It was the plastic surgery to remove her ethnic features we were upset about. bravenak Mar 2015 #338
you totally heaven05 Mar 2015 #651
actually no DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #662
hopefully she'll sort things out one day heaven05 Mar 2015 #668
people went overboard on the Azalia Banks business cali Mar 2015 #16
They do it to Kanye. bravenak Mar 2015 #24
Kanye is a huge star, and he gets attention not for hating on white people or racists, but geek tragedy Mar 2015 #30
DId you even get an answer yet? Or just white people knee jerk reacting defensively because NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #91
No answers. Just anger, accusations of racism and recriminations. bravenak Mar 2015 #95
I can understand why she feels that way but it makes me feel bad... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #32
I know you are. She is young and bitter. We all go through that and have to overcome. For our sanity bravenak Mar 2015 #407
Why should she hate people based on treestar Mar 2015 #81
She has recieved alot more hate than she gives out. bravenak Mar 2015 #92
Well I didn't do any of that so why does she hate me? treestar Mar 2015 #99
She probably doesn't. bravenak Mar 2015 #106
well turn that around, and you get what POC ask them selves every day of the week. bettyellen Mar 2015 #522
True. Yet the solution doesn't seem to lie in treestar Mar 2015 #525
"possitivty" sounds nice, but is basically asking POC to STFU about their struggles, and to solve bettyellen Mar 2015 #535
No it's not treestar Mar 2015 #565
POC are looking for support and for white people to recognize the day to day effects of racism and bettyellen Mar 2015 #566
I am white get the red out Mar 2015 #124
Are you a minority? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #94
No treestar Mar 2015 #102
So you are never going to learn, I guess. Too bad, if so called liberals cant learn there is NO NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #196
Victimhood must be comfortable in some way. treestar Mar 2015 #395
Victim? LOL NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #397
Lol- actually those who speak up do because they are strong.... bettyellen Mar 2015 #628
I just love this question. romanic Mar 2015 #640
I don't like her because she is an abject moron... Oktober Mar 2015 #123
As do you. bravenak Mar 2015 #127
If she doesn't like me because I am white upaloopa Mar 2015 #139
She doesn't know enough about life yet. bravenak Mar 2015 #143
Could be upaloopa Mar 2015 #150
neither do 18-year-old skinheads, but they don't get a pass. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #450
They are not the victims of white supremacy, now are they? bravenak Mar 2015 #497
Actually they are casualties of it AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #644
No they are the aggressors, not victims. bravenak Mar 2015 #646
People have a problem, and rightly so, with someone saying they HATE a group of Marr Mar 2015 #165
There are 50 million white racists in America. bravenak Mar 2015 #169
There are lots of racists, yes-- and this woman is one of them. Marr Mar 2015 #174
Who no plie on on cheney? The war criminal? bravenak Mar 2015 #175
I don't even know what Cheney's remarks were. Marr Mar 2015 #181
Of course you don't. His were ignored to focus on her. bravenak Mar 2015 #184
Well, I'm not shocked and angered so I can't help you. Marr Mar 2015 #229
I don't need to defend her. bravenak Mar 2015 #234
There have been a million pile-on posts on Cheney. cwydro Mar 2015 #197
I would make that suggestion hfojvt Mar 2015 #47
I'm with you on this OP, a horrid use of the DU forum GitRDun Mar 2015 #620
It's a great OP heaven05 Mar 2015 #653
Gosh H2O Man Mar 2015 #3
should ... only one reason and it is selfish ... and to love on indiviual basis Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #5
That makes sense. I love because it makes me whole. bravenak Mar 2015 #9
I want to help get past the blockades whether we go under/over/through them, matters not to me. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #115
to be the recipient of heaven05 Mar 2015 #287
Thank you for the awesome post! bravenak Mar 2015 #294
Bravo! marym625 Mar 2015 #416
he committed suicide heaven05 Mar 2015 #435
I wish I could rec your post Marrah_G Mar 2015 #649
(( )) blm Mar 2015 #41
((amen)) Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #117
The only colored group I ever loved was Pink Floyd BeyondGeography Mar 2015 #6
and nobody in the group was named Floyd, either. kwassa Mar 2015 #13
You've both left me comfortably numb . . . n/t JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #15
I can't think of a reason Kalidurga Mar 2015 #11
I missed something JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #14
Search the Azelea Banks threads nt Catherine Vincent Mar 2015 #19
Oh - her! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #20
I can understand one "hating" or suspicious of any group where a significant portion tolerate or Hoyt Mar 2015 #17
Smack my ass and call me sally JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #33
LOL. And the right wingers invited that racist to the State of the Union Speech. Hoyt Mar 2015 #43
what is that? is there a point to it? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #453
Painted with a big brush H. Cromwell Mar 2015 #21
I said as a group, not individuals. bravenak Mar 2015 #27
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White people burn cop cars and don't get shot when they riot. bravenak Mar 2015 #39
Only white people H. Cromwell Mar 2015 #54
I see riots full of white only faces at hockey riots. bravenak Mar 2015 #59
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #69
blacks didn't do anything to whites as a group CreekDog Mar 2015 #386
Yes, and they often burned black *people*, too--and often not even for tblue37 Mar 2015 #140
They looked like they were having so much fun!! bravenak Mar 2015 #142
Hockey riots? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2015 #339
That is probably the one asian guy in the riot. bravenak Mar 2015 #342
Has there ever been a 'hockey riot' in the USA? AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #632
I believe I was confusing the pumpkin riot with a hockey riot. bravenak Mar 2015 #633
The business owners should sue black America JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #66
Good idea! H. Cromwell Mar 2015 #83
You have a good sense of humor! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #96
Dear God did you really type... one_voice Mar 2015 #417
Your last sentence proves how racist you are! Bigot! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #466
And Cromwell has been vaporized. alp227 Mar 2015 #421
oops, looks like the mask is slipping CreekDog Mar 2015 #411
What else does the poster have to say on the subject? CreekDog Mar 2015 #363
Wow. The only no vote. bravenak Mar 2015 #369
well the thing about that poster is, he's quite sensitive about things he thinks are anti-white CreekDog Mar 2015 #385
I see a pattern. bravenak Mar 2015 #389
funny thing is, if their positions were so popular, why would someone need more than one account? CreekDog Mar 2015 #391
Yep. I agree. bravenak Mar 2015 #403
Yes- you have the right to hate them JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #31
That is the main reason this pisses me off so much. bravenak Mar 2015 #42
I know - that's probably why I never clicked on those threads JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #51
I think he stole that heart from a young man. bravenak Mar 2015 #56
Me too JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #61
And I say, get that money, girl! bravenak Mar 2015 #65
I'm out of touch JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #70
Oooh! I loooove that bang bang song. bravenak Mar 2015 #104
Reparations are an absolute necessity, anything less is a crime. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #100
But it will never happen. I'm glad she is taking them however she can. bravenak Mar 2015 #113
Because love is better than hate. Orsino Mar 2015 #22
I don't think anyone should love any group of people. Human beings are human beings. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #23
Not because white people, as a group, deserve it. But because . . . pnwmom Mar 2015 #25
It has not worked. bravenak Mar 2015 #28
Black people are the most loving and forgiving people on earth! We've already tried this shit! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #467
Why should women like any men when as a group they are often sexist? CJCRANE Mar 2015 #26
Do you have an answer? bravenak Mar 2015 #35
Prove to us that you are not anti-semitic and islamaphobic. CJCRANE Mar 2015 #44
Why? I'm an atheist. I don't ever care about religion. bravenak Mar 2015 #49
Being Jewish is also a culture and ethnicity. Being muslim is also a culture. CJCRANE Mar 2015 #52
This is about America and the black/white issue that came up. bravenak Mar 2015 #53
It is the exact same logic that you are using. If you can't see that CJCRANE Mar 2015 #57
Whatever. bravenak Mar 2015 #62
Boy, you're doing a great job on building that strawman. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #90
That's the point. It's the same logic as the OP. CJCRANE Mar 2015 #101
No, it really isn't. jeff47 Mar 2015 #107
I'm not sure where you got that from. My point is the same. CJCRANE Mar 2015 #112
I see it as the oppressed hating their oppressor. Not just azmom Mar 2015 #281
yep. just about cali Mar 2015 #38
Yup. n/t progressoid Mar 2015 #207
No reason pscot Mar 2015 #36
Personally stage left Mar 2015 #40
I'm like that too. bravenak Mar 2015 #45
Well stage left Mar 2015 #58
Too many to hate. Causes health problems, imo. bravenak Mar 2015 #74
And there you have it - "Causes health problems" tularetom Mar 2015 #178
Love? ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #46
I agree. Love was just how I feel. bravenak Mar 2015 #130
No there isn't ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #283
I see. 99Forever Mar 2015 #48
Black people should not 'like' or 'love' white people, in my opinion. At least not KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #50
+1 ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #60
. kwassa Mar 2015 #68
Are you sure you intended to respond to me? If so, I am missing your KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #128
nah, I posted in the wrong spot ... sorry! kwassa Mar 2015 #134
The guilty parties are dead by now treestar Mar 2015 #79
The "guilty parties" may be dead (debatable), but their heirs continue to KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #125
What would constitute healing? treestar Mar 2015 #396
These are damned good questions and, as a white person, I'm not sure KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #545
I guess today is defend homophobic bigots day Prism Mar 2015 #55
That's why I didn't pay attention to those threads JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #71
Not shocking, just tiresomely divisive Prism Mar 2015 #80
I agree JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #93
I'm content to observe and listen Prism Mar 2015 #179
You've got an ally in me JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #273
I'm glad we had this exchange =) Prism Mar 2015 #284
Just so you know... Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #493
Thanks, BtA Prism Mar 2015 #508
I so agree with you, Prism. Sissyk Mar 2015 #406
The lack of nuance Prism Mar 2015 #509
this is an excellent post. cali Mar 2015 #135
some of these intentionally divisive and incendiary threads get locked Doctor_J Mar 2015 #349
This message was self-deleted by its author ND-Dem Mar 2015 #463
I agree. I hope you were not around to witness the defend Louis Farrakhan day(s). n/t demmiblue Mar 2015 #254
Where in the OP was her homophobia defended? Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #414
Let's put it in parallel terms Prism Mar 2015 #507
Not at all parallel. Gormy Cuss Mar 2015 #532
I'll ask my lily white daughter why her brown boyfriend loves her...and get right back to you...not Sheepshank Mar 2015 #63
I said 'as a group, not individuals'. bravenak Mar 2015 #67
and I said, why should the guy that likes a white girl hate "her" whole group? Sheepshank Mar 2015 #208
I have no idea why a guy who likes a girl SHOULD hate anybody. bravenak Mar 2015 #211
People should not hate people period. As for you question, "what have white people done as a group" still_one Mar 2015 #64
It is a trust issue. And i explicitly said 'things we have not fought and died for'. bravenak Mar 2015 #154
I see what you did there AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #325
Calm down. My question was more about trust building and why there has not been enough of it. bravenak Mar 2015 #327
Trust cannot exist alongside hatred AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #334
We need to build trust then. bravenak Mar 2015 #384
Because they don't want to be LIKE White People..? Democrats_win Mar 2015 #72
Great answer. bravenak Mar 2015 #183
How do you even go outside? Oktober Mar 2015 #73
Door. bravenak Mar 2015 #82
Lol! kwassa Mar 2015 #85
Do you go around accusing everyone else of racism at every opportunity... Oktober Mar 2015 #328
Are you always this outraged? Boy you are pissed at me aaaalll the time. bravenak Mar 2015 #333
You are confused... Oktober Mar 2015 #343
I think you are pissed. bravenak Mar 2015 #346
It seems to please you... Oktober Mar 2015 #348
U mad bro? bravenak Mar 2015 #351
Why would I be? Oktober Mar 2015 #354
Dunno. bravenak Mar 2015 #356
Still not sure why you would think that... Oktober Mar 2015 #364
Cause you seem mad everytime you say anything to me. bravenak Mar 2015 #368
No, you are FAR from good. Too bad you cant see that, most of us can. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #378
Black men and women are getting shot down in the streets and have to deal with fucking racism every Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2015 #473
Hatred sucks treestar Mar 2015 #75
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I don't need to be loved in my group. Texasgal Mar 2015 #77
I'd follow you. bravenak Mar 2015 #149
Should is always a strong word The2ndWheel Mar 2015 #78
I can understand that. bravenak Mar 2015 #147
The civil rights Act of 1964? Takket Mar 2015 #84
Not good enough. Drug war takes care of all of those advances. bravenak Mar 2015 #88
so your saying it is just as bad for a black person now as it was before 1964? Takket Mar 2015 #116
It is nearly just as bad. bravenak Mar 2015 #126
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I don't understand how I would love or hate any person or group of prayin4rain Mar 2015 #87
I know. It wasn't for you. Just for the folks shocked that a black woman in America might resent bravenak Mar 2015 #97
Yeah, i thought about it more and i resent the 1% collectively, prayin4rain Mar 2015 #105
That was what I got from her too. bravenak Mar 2015 #108
Agreed. :) n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #109
Except that the 1% actually holds power, through their money, their connections, and their ND-Dem Mar 2015 #475
Good point treestar Mar 2015 #111
If you're a Christian, it's pretty straightforward lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #98
My daughter, who is white, has a very good friend, who is black adigal Mar 2015 #103
Thank you. bravenak Mar 2015 #152
Judging people as a group is illogical, regardless of direction RedCappedBandit Mar 2015 #110
This. The outrage I hear whenever a black person dares to comment on tblue37 Mar 2015 #114
Thank you for understanding my point. bravenak Mar 2015 #119
Please see my post #132, in response to just that sort of reflexive outrage. nt tblue37 Mar 2015 #136
Oops! I meant post #132, not #137. nt tblue37 Mar 2015 #228
It's interesting how we are getting lots of MLK azmom Mar 2015 #307
And the more racist one is, the more resentment at when a black person adigal Mar 2015 #318
Nothing really. Loving a group of people is illogical LittleBlue Mar 2015 #118
I agree. bravenak Mar 2015 #120
Well, I resent the 1% so I guess I'm in the same boat. n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #121
I hate what they do LittleBlue Mar 2015 #129
Agreed. But I think Banks meant that she hates what they do, too. n/tk prayin4rain Mar 2015 #145
Probably. I don't blame her LittleBlue Mar 2015 #162
Agreed. n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #203
quick question or trick question? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #122
I have moved passed the hate phase years ago. bravenak Mar 2015 #141
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There are more white racists than there are black people in AMERICA. No. bravenak Mar 2015 #161
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Sheer numbers. bravenak Mar 2015 #170
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Far fewer black HATE whites even though many have GOOD reason. bravenak Mar 2015 #176
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There is no black KKK. You are wrong. bravenak Mar 2015 #189
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When did the panthers burn white people and lynch them? bravenak Mar 2015 #205
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Sorry. The KKK is WAY worse. They are PROUD of their history of burning negroes. bravenak Mar 2015 #220
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You never answered the question in my op, tho. bravenak Mar 2015 #244
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No. bravenak Mar 2015 #253
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Whatever. bravenak Mar 2015 #264
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That is called answering a question with a question. bravenak Mar 2015 #255
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Then why are you here on this thread? Something attracted you. bravenak Mar 2015 #280
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Bye bye ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #345
They finally got rid of this guy? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #492
Seriously? NOLALady Mar 2015 #225
So what? ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #341
I'll let Dr. King answer that one: Damansarajaya Mar 2015 #133
Not everyone us Dr. king. Not everyone is able to handle white supremacy. bravenak Mar 2015 #146
If you treat people as a race and not as an individual upaloopa Mar 2015 #137
Reject it then. bravenak Mar 2015 #144
You are redefining racism in this context ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #337
This message was self-deleted by its author upaloopa Mar 2015 #340
But she is talking about a race of people and NOT individuals. How is that so hard to understand? Rex Mar 2015 #645
I'm not going to read the other posts on this thread. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #148
You get an A. Perfect. That is exactly what I mean. bravenak Mar 2015 #151
Don't you know ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #153
Glad you read my mind. bravenak Mar 2015 #159
i don't know, but Enrique Mar 2015 #156
Fear not hate. bravenak Mar 2015 #347
I don't know why they should, given the history and present conditions. My guess is that Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #158
I agree, thank you Jefferson. bravenak Mar 2015 #166
You're most welcome and a great question you posed for all to consider. Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #390
Because everyone should love everyone fxstc Mar 2015 #160
Even the 50 million white racists that the rest of the white people largely ignore as a problem? bravenak Mar 2015 #164
"Even the 50 million white racists" EX500rider Mar 2015 #221
Oh, it's you. Hai. bravenak Mar 2015 #424
Hi....I'll take is as no, you just pulled that figure out of the air. EX500rider Mar 2015 #610
I was being kind and conservative in my estimate. bravenak Mar 2015 #612
everyone fxstc Mar 2015 #520
I think each Dorian Gray Mar 2015 #163
It would be nice but it does not hapoen that way. bravenak Mar 2015 #173
That's not true Dorian Gray Mar 2015 #188
There are way more of you so there should be millions of you in the streets. bravenak Mar 2015 #191
I can't speak for anyone else other than myself Dorian Gray Mar 2015 #214
I think they should do it everywhere. bravenak Mar 2015 #484
yes Dorian Gray Mar 2015 #519
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Hate is a destructive emotion that we should all try to avoid. totodeinhere Mar 2015 #171
You're not obligated to like anyone... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #177
"even if i am a homophobe… so wat? i still make more $ than you.. still have an extra hole.. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #180
There is a saying that goes... one_voice Mar 2015 #182
Yes. She is an asshole, no doubt. bravenak Mar 2015 #204
I understand what you're saying... one_voice Mar 2015 #279
That was good. A good post. bravenak Mar 2015 #291
Thanks. Your comment about taking your white friends to the hood made me laugh... one_voice Mar 2015 #360
I think she need therapy. bravenak Mar 2015 #366
It's the same shock expressed at Rev Wright's understanding of America malaise Mar 2015 #185
+1 bravenak Mar 2015 #186
Which is why I did a thread the other day about Wright...BTW, reverse the roles past 200+ yrs NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #212
+1,000 malaise Mar 2015 #393
"As a group" is the problem, isn't it? LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #190
As a group i think something needs to be done. bravenak Mar 2015 #192
I have struggled to try to figure out how to change someone else's mind LiberalAndProud Mar 2015 #224
excellent question heaven05 Mar 2015 #194
Let me know what you come up with.nt bravenak Mar 2015 #217
I did, I hope it's clear enough heaven05 Mar 2015 #289
Take out the words "black" and "white", and ask the question again. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #195
Humans should love humanity. Why single out "groups"? cry baby Mar 2015 #198
Not a single reason really. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #199
Thank you. bravenak Mar 2015 #213
What have rich white people, as a group, done for anyone but themselves? nt valerief Mar 2015 #201
Nothing. bravenak Mar 2015 #210
Created millions of jobs NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #219
Nope. Customers did that. nt valerief Mar 2015 #223
I added "at $7 an hour and no benefits" but even with that, you are right...I stand corrected NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #226
Yes, I got your point with the $7/hour. The rich white men did that, of course, once the customers valerief Mar 2015 #227
Your response is very valuable to me because as a business person my first reaction to NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #230
The greatest change in the world usually comes from those willing to love their enemies. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #206
I like that. bravenak Mar 2015 #209
Thank you. I've always been fascinated with how much grace and dignity African Americans carried liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #222
Useless clickbait Android3.14 Mar 2015 #231
Thanks for the kick! bravenak Mar 2015 #242
I would have to say, nothing. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #232
I love you to. bravenak Mar 2015 #239
Solution to racism here: chknltl Mar 2015 #235
I'm with that!!!! Best solution! bravenak Mar 2015 #237
Platform smatform, it's officially in the Liberal Agenda now! chknltl Mar 2015 #375
Please!! I'm dying!! bravenak Mar 2015 #380
Thanks chknltl Mar 2015 #392
I would love it on SNL... bravenak Mar 2015 #394
I just sent a potential DU OP to your inbox chknltl Mar 2015 #418
I read it. bravenak Mar 2015 #419
It's the same thing accdg to my shrinks at the VA chknltl Mar 2015 #423
Quick Translation... Why should black people not be racist? DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #236
This is racist? AMERICA is racist, lol. bravenak Mar 2015 #240
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #245
Your post is ill concieved and deviod of thought. bravenak Mar 2015 #263
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #286
Still think you are not that awesome yourself. bravenak Mar 2015 #312
And you sound like Hannity. Reverse Racism!!! The scourge!!! Bane of Anerica!! bravenak Mar 2015 #313
Yep, I'm just like Hannity because I'm offended by racism. If you say so. DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #387
Where have I ever said I hate white people? bravenak Mar 2015 #388
You started a thread that tried to justify racism (i.e. hatred of an entire race of people) DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #434
Why would you think I started the thread to Justify racism. bravenak Mar 2015 #437
Indeed it is. n/t Skip Intro Mar 2015 #452
Understanding may not be possible but empathy is..... BlueSky3 Mar 2015 #246
Thank you, great response. bravenak Mar 2015 #268
Thanks. BlueSky3 Mar 2015 #319
One should decide who they love or hate abelenkpe Mar 2015 #248
True. bravenak Mar 2015 #265
My family loves me. secondvariety Mar 2015 #252
You should not care. Good that you don't. bravenak Mar 2015 #259
Every major civil rights achievement in the U.S. has been made possible by Matterate Mar 2015 #257
I said things WE (black people) have not fought and died for. We fought and died for that. bravenak Mar 2015 #260
That was the part of your question that I found unrealistic. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #428
Ok. bravenak Mar 2015 #436
Why should white people love black people? doc03 Mar 2015 #266
That is not an answer. bravenak Mar 2015 #269
I think that is the answer your question deserves. The question itself is doc03 Mar 2015 #277
I thought you... CreekDog Mar 2015 #669
I come back here some, the Discussionist is populated with doc03 Mar 2015 #672
Answer: Because it's the only thing that helps us grow. byronius Mar 2015 #271
Thank you. bravenak Mar 2015 #306
As a group, NOLALady Mar 2015 #272
Yeah, it's the trust part. I wish we could trust, but we know better. bravenak Mar 2015 #305
I just want to point out that everyone loves me. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #274
True! bravenak Mar 2015 #297
To be better than the racists. mmonk Mar 2015 #285
Yep. Good reason. I like it. bravenak Mar 2015 #295
In love, I don't think there are any "shoulds", bravenak - raven mad Mar 2015 #296
Yeah I think it's more of a trust issue myself. bravenak Mar 2015 #304
There, we agree 100%, dear friend! raven mad Mar 2015 #315
. bravenak Mar 2015 #321
I remember Mom saying to Dad "what difference does it make?" He was a bigot. raven mad Mar 2015 #324
Your mom was smart! And cool. Dad was lucky to have her. bravenak Mar 2015 #330
We kids were the lucky ones - raven mad Mar 2015 #352
Poor guy. bravenak Mar 2015 #355
Once he got up here he changed a LOT! This stupid state forces you to! raven mad Mar 2015 #365
There's probably not a good reason HappyMe Mar 2015 #298
Great answer. I agree. bravenak Mar 2015 #299
Quick question...Why should native americans love white people? Rex Mar 2015 #300
Perfect. bravenak Mar 2015 #302
I believe white privilege trumps everything else. Rex Mar 2015 #309
Many think it is their god given right. bravenak Mar 2015 #310
I just cannot bring myself to be an athiest. I stopped at agnostic. Rex Mar 2015 #316
I'm like that too. Agnostic-atheist. bravenak Mar 2015 #320
LOL! Rex Mar 2015 #323
There are other places along the spectrum between love and hate Bettie Mar 2015 #308
Hate is what she feels. I use caution at all times. You never know who will be the next one. bravenak Mar 2015 #311
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at Bettie Mar 2015 #314
She hates white people because of racist white people. bravenak Mar 2015 #317
Why should black people love the gays? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2015 #335
I don't see any reason why black people brer cat Mar 2015 #350
Respect and trust. bravenak Mar 2015 #353
Why should anyone love anyone? PeteSelman Mar 2015 #358
True that. bravenak Mar 2015 #373
Another flame throwing post with no useful information or opinion GitRDun Mar 2015 #371
You did not understand the question. It's not me that hates anybody. bravenak Mar 2015 #372
I understood the post perfectly. GitRDun Mar 2015 #376
Lol! I get plenty of attention. bravenak Mar 2015 #379
Why should white people love black people? Aerows Mar 2015 #374
Good answers. bravenak Mar 2015 #381
Well don't get all misty-eyed thinking I'm perfect. Aerows Mar 2015 #415
I'm pissed about Winds of Winter not being out. bravenak Mar 2015 #448
I know Aerows Mar 2015 #469
That is why I never started that series. bravenak Mar 2015 #476
Jon Snow Aerows Mar 2015 #495
How did I miss this? bravenak Mar 2015 #517
I think a majority of white people oppose overt racism, but until White Privaledge is addressed. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #377
Thank you. bravenak Mar 2015 #382
White people in America (as a whole) have a lot of work to do on privilege and racism.... steve2470 Mar 2015 #401
Thank you Steve. bravenak Mar 2015 #405
Putting the Brave in Bravenak! Anansi1171 Mar 2015 #409
I agree that I cannot defend her homophobia at all. bravenak Mar 2015 #410
Do you support desegregation? XemaSab Mar 2015 #412
What? That is not an answer. bravenak Mar 2015 #413
So why would you want to be around people you don't trust? XemaSab Mar 2015 #431
We don't really have a choice in this world, do we? bravenak Mar 2015 #432
Segregation was the status quo for centuries XemaSab Mar 2015 #444
Did I ever say I was against integration? Or that I wished they hadn't overturned it? bravenak Mar 2015 #445
Here's what you said: XemaSab Mar 2015 #455
They were the ones offended at the idea that a young black woman hated white people bravenak Mar 2015 #458
Doesn't that sort of lead to the converse of respectability politics? XemaSab Mar 2015 #470
I do not understand what you mean. Sorry. bravenak Mar 2015 #471
"I'll trust white people when every last one stops being racist" = XemaSab Mar 2015 #609
Who said that? bravenak Mar 2015 #611
Do you think most white people are racist? XemaSab Mar 2015 #613
What reason do they have to trust them? bravenak Mar 2015 #614
Why should white people trust black people? XemaSab Mar 2015 #615
We never oppressed you. Or enslaved white people. bravenak Mar 2015 #616
QED XemaSab Mar 2015 #617
Wow, girl! no wonder brave is part of your name. marym625 Mar 2015 #420
Name Removed is my biggest fan! bravenak Mar 2015 #422
amen to that! marym625 Mar 2015 #429
. bravenak Mar 2015 #447
Thank you all for the awesome thread!! bravenak Mar 2015 #425
start forest fire with post, go shopping. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #427
I was here tending my thread all day long. bravenak Mar 2015 #446
it was a joke. not clearly indicated. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #552
Sorry dear. bravenak Mar 2015 #554
the feeling is mutual guillaumeb Mar 2015 #556
I love the emoticons. bravenak Mar 2015 #559
'Love?' No reason. elleng Mar 2015 #426
Awesome. And true. bravenak Mar 2015 #439
Pizza. nt Zorra Mar 2015 #430
Yes. I love pizza. bravenak Mar 2015 #440
The poster is referring to the "Tombstone" that used to be displayed on posters' profiles KamaAina Mar 2015 #561
I know. bravenak Mar 2015 #562
Not at all. It was an attempt at humor, and sarcasm, meaning white people invented pizza, Zorra Mar 2015 #598
Thank god!! bravenak Mar 2015 #601
Why should White people do anything to "make Black people" like them? Skip Intro Mar 2015 #449
Oh, look who it is. bravenak Mar 2015 #456
No answer as usual. n/t Skip Intro Mar 2015 #461
You had none yourself to my op. bravenak Mar 2015 #462
first post since December? CreekDog Mar 2015 #663
his first post since December CreekDog Mar 2015 #664
This thread uspet him horribly. bravenak Mar 2015 #665
well, AverageJoe90 and H. Cromwell were both banned that day CreekDog Mar 2015 #666
True. They needed a representative and ge was happy to fill that role. bravenak Mar 2015 #667
god help me, I just saw this.... steve2470 Mar 2015 #658
85% of black people identify as Christians madville Mar 2015 #460
I'm not. And christianity is full of bad stuff too. Like 'slaves obey your masters'. bravenak Mar 2015 #465
Would you hate whites if you were black? Stellar Mar 2015 #472
I am black. bravenak Mar 2015 #478
I don't hate white people... Stellar Mar 2015 #483
I don't hate white people either. bravenak Mar 2015 #485
Sorry you had to deal with that hatred, Stellar Mar 2015 #500
I know they were there. I mean something bigger. I think it's time. bravenak Mar 2015 #502
We shall over come some day.... Stellar Mar 2015 #503
I'll be saying for years to come. bravenak Mar 2015 #504
as a black, I think this is a dumb question DeadEyeDyck Mar 2015 #477
You do not have to like it. bravenak Mar 2015 #482
Hard to find a good reason, if you're speaking of us white folks in general. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #486
My solution is to build trust. bravenak Mar 2015 #488
We always have the choice of feeding our higher angels or our IsItJustMe Mar 2015 #487
all people should love all people. Sarcastica Mar 2015 #501
They don't sadly. bravenak Mar 2015 #506
Do you mean "they don't" or "we don't". Sarcastica Mar 2015 #523
Simple answer ... because they are people ... slipslidingaway Mar 2015 #505
The entire civil rights movement was confrontational. bravenak Mar 2015 #518
I don't know if you heard about Common's comment, Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #510
I think he got that wrong. bravenak Mar 2015 #511
Not too long ago, Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #512
That is very dissapointing thinking about that. bravenak Mar 2015 #513
What is this romanic Mar 2015 #516
For Common to say what he did, Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #634
One of the best of all times. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #524
I see why there are so many minorities here. bravenak Mar 2015 #529
I have no clue of the racial breakdown of this site. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #533
Of course you have no clue about it. bravenak Mar 2015 #536
Truly makes no sense. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #543
They have that power. You did not even bother reading the thread. bravenak Mar 2015 #546
Understood. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #550
I am telling you the truth. bravenak Mar 2015 #553
I do have an idea that this site is good at driving bigots away. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #558
What the hell does this bullshit even mean? bravenak Mar 2015 #560
Act innocent as if you didn't claim this site..... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #567
Please just stop. You got everything 100 percent wrong and I believe it was on purpose. bravenak Mar 2015 #568
I have got nothing wrong. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #571
Please just leave me alone. bravenak Mar 2015 #572
You should not comment direclty to the debate,..... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #575
Please leave me alone. bravenak Mar 2015 #578
Your words are there to read. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #579
Leave me alone. bravenak Mar 2015 #580
How can you claim I am wrong, NCTraveler Mar 2015 #585
You need to leave me alone and do your own research. bravenak Mar 2015 #586
I have not picked apart posts of yours. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #590
I swear I told you to leave me alone. bravenak Mar 2015 #592
This can start you off and you can work your way backwards through time, while leaving me alone. bravenak Mar 2015 #589
Love the writing of MrScorpio. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #593
I never said I wanted to be more inclusive of bigots. You did. Now leave me alone. bravenak Mar 2015 #596
Once again, don't make an innacurate claim against me..... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #603
Yes. US MINORITIES calling out BIGOTS all the time is why many of US have left. bravenak Mar 2015 #604
Nice one eighty. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #605
I have said this over and over on DU. Even wrote an op about it last year in AA. bravenak Mar 2015 #606
You backed up your position multiple times... NCTraveler Mar 2015 #607
I'm glad you realized you were wrong! Since I told you bye bye until you get it. bravenak Mar 2015 #608
You know what? romanic Mar 2015 #641
Don't care. bravenak Mar 2015 #643
The problem is that you don't know shit about me. bravenak Mar 2015 #647
I came at you foul romanic Mar 2015 #670
Worry about yourself. bravenak Mar 2015 #671
I'll mind mines honey romanic Mar 2015 #673
You still here? bravenak Mar 2015 #674
There are indeed black people here. KamaAina Mar 2015 #563
My point is that the party is full of us and there are so FEW here. bravenak Mar 2015 #564
Well, that sucks. KamaAina Mar 2015 #569
People are very sensitive. bravenak Mar 2015 #570
Seems like an Inflammatory question meant to drive the race wedge deeper. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #526
Way to get out of answering. You did not need to reply. Thanks. bravenak Mar 2015 #528
you too. I'll answer, bet you won't. I don't hate or distrust black people as a group, NM_Birder Mar 2015 #537
I remember hateful stuff from you. bravenak Mar 2015 #538
Sure. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #542
Bye. bravenak Mar 2015 #544
Because they are people. LWolf Mar 2015 #530
They don't love us. They show us by how our society is run in white supremacy. bravenak Mar 2015 #534
You are doing exactly what I'm referring to. LWolf Mar 2015 #539
It is hard to love white supremacy. bravenak Mar 2015 #541
True. LWolf Mar 2015 #626
It took me years to separate the people from the policy they benefit from. bravenak Mar 2015 #627
I agree with that. LWolf Mar 2015 #636
Why should anyone hate a group based on skin color? MellowDem Mar 2015 #531
They hate the oblivious beneficiaries of white supremacy. bravenak Mar 2015 #540
I'm not surprised... MellowDem Mar 2015 #618
Yep. Can't do anything about stuff we don't understand. bravenak Mar 2015 #619
I agree with that... MellowDem Mar 2015 #621
b/c historically they have been punished terribly when they have not smiled and shucked and jived TheSarcastinator Mar 2015 #547
I think we may be just about done shucking and jiving. bravenak Mar 2015 #548
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PBIDOWTFYAM. UrbScotty Mar 2015 #555
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I don't think I've ever seen a thread with this many replies JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #581
Remember the one about restarting a draft by some liz lady? bravenak Mar 2015 #584
Let's get it up there JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #587
I'm on my way, what time is dinner? bravenak Mar 2015 #591
Lori Sansone JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #594
Is it walking in place? bravenak Mar 2015 #597
Yep walking in place! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #599
All right, I think that is workable. bravenak Mar 2015 #600
Sounds like a meal I will make heaven05 Mar 2015 #661
This may yet overtake the kudzu thread as DU's longest KamaAina Mar 2015 #588
Omg!! bravenak Mar 2015 #595
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Problem with this "Quick question".. not exactly well thought out. 2banon Mar 2015 #624
Many were outraged to find that some young black people don't like or trust white people. bravenak Mar 2015 #625
True Enough! I guess it seemed like such a pedestrian question if not simply a rhetorical devise... 2banon Mar 2015 #630
I hope the same people participate next time. bravenak Mar 2015 #631
Great question. ZombieHorde Mar 2015 #638
Thank you. I agree with you. bravenak Mar 2015 #639
I don't know JonLP24 Mar 2015 #642
one final comment heaven05 Mar 2015 #655
Thank you. bravenak Mar 2015 #660
The only reason would be from compassion WhiteTara Mar 2015 #656
Because you have to love others to love yourself. Hate the actions not the person. McCamy Taylor Mar 2015 #657
Judging character linked to melanin in your skin? gordianot Mar 2015 #676
Should have read the thread. bravenak Mar 2015 #677
I did, makes me sad on many different levels, no fault of yours. gordianot Mar 2015 #678
This particular issue depresses me too. bravenak Mar 2015 #679
In the early 1970's I took a class on Slavery in Missouri known at the time as Black Studies. gordianot Mar 2015 #680
That is a shocking tale in more ways than one. bravenak Mar 2015 #681
Life is complicated there are some relatives you may not want to know about. gordianot Mar 2015 #682
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