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calimary

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30. My husband and I had an argument about this, earlier this morning.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:37 PM
Mar 2015

He pointed out, correctly, that the civil libertarians would object. Privacy and all that. I think that's exactly what we'd see - and I'm so torn. Not sure I'm comfortable with that, much as I expect and support privacy protections for myself and everyone else.

I wanted to know why that fellow's doctor could NOT have reported this to the airline. What should be done when it's the "honor system" and he's supposed to alert his employer that his doctor says he's not fit to fly - and he doesn't? What to do when the individual decides on his/her own, to rip up the doctor's note anyway and go to work despite the warnings? I know - freedom-freedom and all that. But at some point, don't we have to take into account the safety of the HUNDRED-PLUS others whose lives are in the hands of the pilot and copilot on EVERY commercial jet?

I don't know what the answer is here, as far as protecting EVERYBODY across the board in a case like this. Yes, privacy. YES, being able to trust your doctor or therapist that your confidences during your treatment can remain confidential. YES I get that.

But when you have 100-200-300 or more people's lives IN YOUR HANDS as part of your job, should you still be entitled to that kind of confidentiality and privacy protection? What about the public's right to know? What about the FLYING public's right to know, and to be protected? What about "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one," as the "Star Trek" saying goes (and I think that, too, is a valid statement)?

What about this anyway? Just in general? We see this conflict ALL THE TIME anymore. Rights. Yes. We have them. We need if not all then certainly most of them. They're both necessary and a necessary evil. But do they have rankings? Are we ranking them in order of importance when we refer to "The fill-in-the-number-here Amendment"? Or is that more in order of appearance? We see all kinds of tugs-of-war especially as applied to the 2nd Amendment, for example - the most aggressive, active voice pushes from the "2nd Amendment Is Really the FIRST Amendment" side. There are 1st Amendment struggles of all kinds, because there are several different rights under that one primary umbrella. ARE THERE some rights that supersede others? Is there a first-among-equals? And if that one's true, then can we all agree on which one is the "most first"? (Yeah, SUUUUUUUUUURE we're gonna get there!)

Sometimes I have my doubts as to whether we'll ever be able to arrive at answers that all sides somehow find acceptable.

I used to work with a guy who, before he hired me, had produced an award-winning radio documentary called "When Rights Collide." MAN does that fit here.

Even being the Daily Mail, please edit it down to only 4 paragraphs per copyright laws uppityperson Mar 2015 #1
Will do... thought I had, but see that the short § add up to more... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #2
Thanks, I've had the temptation to add short one line paragraphs together but have been told uppityperson Mar 2015 #22
Should not one of them have informed the airline? KamaAina Mar 2015 #3
They have other privacy laws, similar ones, from what I've read. uppityperson Mar 2015 #4
Very stringent laws about invasion of privacy. Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #6
Very delicate situation unless they are bound by law Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #5
In these circumstances they SHOULD be bound by law to report, elleng Mar 2015 #9
I couldn't agree more, but there are many on this Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #10
The doctors seem to have opinions/conclusions that allowing him to keep doing his job elleng Mar 2015 #11
How right you are...but have a look at some of the replies Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #15
Just looked at a few, elleng Mar 2015 #19
Disgusting and dishonest comment phil89 Mar 2015 #26
What comment are you referring to? Go to that link Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #29
It seems to me you are taking comments from one thread kcr Mar 2015 #42
My husband and I had an argument about this, earlier this morning. calimary Mar 2015 #30
Thanks, calimary, for this reasoned and balanced reply... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #34
Thanks back atcha. It's SO damn vexing! "Vexed" is an excellent word for it. calimary Mar 2015 #36
Yes, that's the crux of the dilemma... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #37
2nd the thank you, Calimary. n/t 7wo7rees Mar 2015 #40
I completely agree cwydro Mar 2015 #48
How do you know either doctor knew he was a pilot or worked on an airline? N/T malaise Mar 2015 #14
This thing is going to have all kinds of repercussions Egnever Mar 2015 #7
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #8
Yes, all these laws because overreaction kcr Mar 2015 #44
You don't know what laws will come out of this. LuvLoogie Mar 2015 #56
I do know what laws people are proposing because of the fear kcr Mar 2015 #57
This is starting to sound just like the Egypt Air crash. KMOD Mar 2015 #12
That very flight is frequently being mentioned in discussions Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #16
Sadly, there are some truly awful people KMOD Mar 2015 #18
Plus if he broke up with his gf, cwydro Mar 2015 #20
In the U.S., depending on the facts, duty to warn would apply. Sienna86 Mar 2015 #13
TWO sicknotes signing him off work and deeming him Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #17
Not saying you are wrong, but the jump to danger to others needs to be substantiated HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #21
Thank you. eoom uppityperson Mar 2015 #23
If the subject is found to be sick, for whatever reason and with Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #24
The implication of a threat to others is pretty severe, suggesting a person isn't fit HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #25
If a doctor judges a pilot unfit to work, he/she Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #28
So any mental illness phil89 Mar 2015 #27
Have you read what I've said? Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #32
Who said any mental Illness LuvLoogie Mar 2015 #33
Here. Fill in the blank... LuvLoogie Mar 2015 #31
Thanks for bringing a note of 'sanity' to the discussion, LuvLoogie...(no pun intended) Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #35
Or the person might not be able to SIT. Know? vs assume? those are the questions. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #39
Let me make it simple for you. LuvLoogie Mar 2015 #43
It's certainly simple for people who like simple answers. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #45
And most simple passengers, especially those who are Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #47
Your statement doesn't make any sense. LuvLoogie Mar 2015 #50
The ultimate disgruntled employee. lpbk2713 Mar 2015 #38
V for Vengence? "Going postal" has been devalued Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #41
Interesting that Post Traumatic Embitterment, a mental disorder defined by a German psychologist HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #46
When I applied for my student glider pilot license in 1990 GliderGuider Mar 2015 #49
Lufthansa is in hyper-damage control mode right now... Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #53
No more medical privacy for pilots customerserviceguy Mar 2015 #51
^^^AMEN to that^^^ Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #54
Why wouldn't there be a requirement for the employee to be cleared by the company? LiberalFighter Mar 2015 #52
Under German regulations, health-issue reporting Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #55
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