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TexasMommaWithAHat

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9. Here's my condensed version
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:11 PM
Mar 2015

Last edited Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:35 PM - Edit history (1)

1) A corrupt investigator.

2) A theory put forth too quickly before the public. A black man, and Rafaelle and Amanda committed a murder.

3) When they realized they got the wrong black man, they stuck with the original theory in front of the world wide press.

4) Crazy, crazy tabloid journalism in the U.K. and Italy that snowballed into a media frenzy.

5 Amanda was stupidly naive, and did change her stories (over 50+ hour of investigation over the course of 4 days).

6 Extremely inept handling and collecting of evidence, which would surely have been thrown out in a U.S. court.

Note: When the investigators saw a message from Amanda stating "See you later," to Patrick Lumumba, the owner of the bar where Amanda worked, the prosecutors then coerced her into framing Patrick as the killer. Amanda then signed a confession written in Italian, a language in which she was not yet fluent. A few hours later, in her own handwriting in English, I believe, Amanda retracted the story.

From this, Amanda has been legally charged and convicted with lying, and Patrick Lumumba has won a case of slander against her. Patrick also accused the police of physical mistreatment, but withdrew that charge.

Amanda also faces other charges of lying in her book. Journalists have been threatened when the prosecutor didn't like what they wrote. At least one journalist was driven out of the country for fear of prison.

I will say this - there is a certain common sense in the theory of the Italian court system, but unfortunately, there are rules of procedure that make it difficult to mount a defense. Procedures that deny due process.

I'm not skyping with my older SIL JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #1
At last Warpy Mar 2015 #2
When the realize that Amanda and Rafaelle TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #5
Yeah, I'm waiting on the other threads for guilters to show up riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #3
I get curious about motivations on things like this.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #4
Agreed. I can't understand DUers who fell for this, esp ostensible legal beagles riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #6
I think the motivations were more basic than that Fumesucker Mar 2015 #8
Oh gauntlet thrown so I had to look it up. "Sadismo!" riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #12
When one's arguments are, without exception, in defense of state power morningfog Mar 2015 #11
Yes and when that's the case 100% of the time it becomes obvious nt riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #13
wouldn't be the first time around here. hobbit709 Mar 2015 #7
Here's my condensed version TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #9
Nice precis, you're a lot more familiar with the ins and the outs of it than I am.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #10
I used to... TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #14
Considering that an Italian court convicted geologists of manslaughter for not accurately predicting tblue37 Mar 2015 #16
Ok, well I'm sort of a "guilter". Here's my opinion. DanTex Mar 2015 #17
I guess I'm glad you aren't a judge if you're going to base your opinion on so little riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #18
Well, obviously if I were a judge I would have a lot more knowledge about the case. DanTex Mar 2015 #20
Sorry, I fixed the link. Nt riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #21
If that one is a lawyer, I'm the King of Prussia. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2015 #19
I know right? riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #22
am kick! nt riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #15
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