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SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
32. I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but...
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:11 AM
Mar 2015

...what the fuckbags in Indiana are going for is not the "right" to deny service to gays and lesbians simply for being gay/lesbian. Rather, they're looking to "protect" businesses from having to create product or provide service that specifically alludes to "teh ghey" or exhibits explicit reference to the "lifestyle" they object to.

For example, a baker could refuse to make a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony, or a gay themed cake in general. A clergy member could refuse to perform a gay wedding. A welder could refuse to take on a contract to produce a homoerotic image in a wrought iron gate.

But, under the law they're advocating, a business would not be able to deny their usual and ordinary service to someone simply because they're gay.

Mind you, I still object to the law. But, I do struggle a bit with the ideas in it. If I was a welder and a KKK group came to me wanting me to create a wrought iron swastika for the gate to their compound, I'd sure like a legal way to opt out on moral grounds.

If I was a graphic artist and the KKK wanted me to create a depiction of a lynching for the cover of the program of their annual hate-fest dinner and buffet, I'd like to be able to get out of that without being sued. If I was a caterer, I'd rather not provide the buffet for such an event, either.

How can we get the good without the bad of this?

Let me say again - I do not agree with this law. It is blatantly homophobic and it causes me to judge Indiana very harshly.

This is just food for discussion. Please respond constructively and don't rage on me with pushy questions like "...so you agree with the law, huh?..." Thanks.

Some conservative sects of Protestant religions Bettie Mar 2015 #1
Gay people need to vote Protalker Mar 2015 #2
Yep, we need to get people to vote Bettie Mar 2015 #3
in 2012 the LGBT vote was about 5% of the electorate, with about 77% of LGBT Zorra Mar 2015 #7
THIS ^^^^^^^ calimary Mar 2015 #31
I've been gone from them for a while. LiberalFighter Mar 2015 #8
According to my large flock Bettie Mar 2015 #9
Missouri Synod is real strict too. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2015 #40
Yep. Bettie Mar 2015 #42
May the Replug/stupid businesses will use the whisper campaign.... wolfie001 Mar 2015 #4
Not familiar with that campaign. Skidmore Mar 2015 #11
A little off the beaten track, but still relevant: wolfie001 Mar 2015 #23
I was thinking they will probaby allow only male - female couples to enter their businesses. AlinPA Mar 2015 #5
In which case, no one should be entering their Skidmore Mar 2015 #6
Male-female couples with the same color skin, of course. n/t Ineeda Mar 2015 #22
Other than public displays of affection... SHRED Mar 2015 #10
Even then....Attack on Ecuadorean Brothers Investigated as Hate Crime Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #14
There is much guess work involved in targeting people for bias crimes. As we all know, Sikh Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #12
One can only hope the demise of that mess can Skidmore Mar 2015 #13
Before physical harm happens, yes. The State of Indiana has already done great harm to this Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #15
Agree. Skidmore Mar 2015 #17
FWIW - just sent Pence's office a "I ain't going to Indiana rurallib Mar 2015 #16
Good idea. My husband orders Skidmore Mar 2015 #20
Same here. Will never go there again. onecaliberal Mar 2015 #21
Address to email Pence rurallib Mar 2015 #24
Thank you, kindly. onecaliberal Mar 2015 #25
Done. We will choose an alternate route from now on. AllyCat Mar 2015 #33
+1 Zorra Mar 2015 #38
Rastafarians should be headed to Hoosierland.. HoosierCowboy Mar 2015 #18
Race is the key Lamonte Mar 2015 #19
Welcome to DU, Lamonte! calimary Mar 2015 #34
My suggestion is to wear a button. stone space Mar 2015 #26
I think we need additional buttons. calimary Mar 2015 #36
Why do they need this law? Why can't they just give bad service? vlyons Mar 2015 #27
Actually, I do marvel at the power of the dollar. It's gonna be the BUSINESS community in Indiana calimary Mar 2015 #37
and money is the reason that marijuana will get legalized! vlyons Mar 2015 #43
because the law is to score political points with backwards, bigoted voters Skittles Mar 2015 #45
organize some willing same sex iraq and afghanistan vets to go in there. Thats some bad press pasto76 Mar 2015 #28
I'm picturing an Armband Day Challenge radhika Mar 2015 #29
Why reinvent the wheel? Just use the tried and true system from the 1930s and 40s. Kablooie Mar 2015 #30
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but... SpankMe Mar 2015 #32
Clergy are already and always protected. Nobody can force a clergyman to perform a wedding. yardwork Mar 2015 #35
Yep. If a rabbi can refuse to marry people who aren't Jewish, eridani Mar 2015 #44
That right is totally protected as it should be. yardwork Mar 2015 #46
one would think that, for a business, a simple "gosh, I am completely booked right now" niyad Mar 2015 #39
And don't for get single mothers - we are the scourge of the earth according to Rs and rw christians jwirr Mar 2015 #41
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