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sabrina 1

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37. I am confusing nothing. For one thing, unlike in Manning's case, the Government, who attempted to
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 12:39 PM
Apr 2015

lie initially AND deny, not knowing what evidence Snowden had against them, were forced to admit that 'reforms are needed' once the information began to come out in the press.

Nowhere near enough has yet been done, but that acknowledgement alone, was a victory for ALL the Whistle Blowers who came before Snowden, but were silenced, persecuted, had their lives destoryed and like Manning, silenced and jailed.

I could post videos of the first reactions of Government officials who outright lied, and then when caught in the lies, the acknowledgements, weak and reluctant as they were, that some 'reforms' are necessary.

Such as NEEDING WARRANTS before delving into innocent people's private affairs.

As if that was not the law ALREADY.

And if you think people are not paying attention, a majority of those polled view Snowden as a Whistle Blower, NOT as the government worked so hard to portray him as, a traitor.

Of course if you support the government violating the Constitutional rights of its citizens, you will probably work hard to believe that none of this matters and attempt to dismiss it.

As for what documents Snowden had, it's pretty revealing that the NSA were unable to determine that. National Security? Really?

Snowden did not release any documents to the public. He used the press to vet and decide what was relevant and what might be harmful, since he, as he has stated repeatedly, could not do it himself.

His decision to seek political asylum was the right one, considering the treatment of Whistle Blowers in this country as it is today.

And I imagine when more Whistle Blowers emerge they will be forced to do the same thing, seek political asylum elsewhere so that they are NOT silenced, or tortured, as Chelsea Manning was.

What kinda fudge are we talking, though? F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #1
I'm going to pass until I see how some specific DUers vote. MineralMan Apr 2015 #2
I make up my own mind about issues. We sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #5
Oh, my... MineralMan Apr 2015 #7
Yes, actually, I did since I saw nothing to say it wasn't serious. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #8
No, actually. You don't know me at all, MineralMan Apr 2015 #17
I know you only by your writings on the internet. Which is how most people are known on sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #19
Ah... The Voice Of Reason And Moderation... That Never Gets Angry WillyT Apr 2015 #22
Oh, I'm angry, but about different things than you, MineralMan Apr 2015 #23
We Might Agree On Many Things, I Suspect, But... WillyT Apr 2015 #28
She didn't understand that you weren't being truthful. I believe she took your words DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #25
Well, I'm glad you understood. MineralMan Apr 2015 #26
Thanks for asking. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #27
Yup. MineralMan Apr 2015 #30
! Number23 Apr 2015 #13
A positive but -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #3
Interesting. I watched "Citizen Four" and came away very unimpressed. Dawgs Apr 2015 #6
I just saw Citizen 4 and it was excellent, removed all the shameful lies told by those who have so sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #14
It did not win two Oscars, it won one. zappaman Apr 2015 #15
You keeping track of people? neverforget Apr 2015 #20
No, doing math. zappaman Apr 2015 #21
KA-BOOM!!! Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #24
This is the question that the Snowden haters always avoid LittleBlue Apr 2015 #4
Very positive. Now the people know some of what their government does. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #9
Thank You For Those... WillyT Apr 2015 #10
They had the potential to be a net positive. gcomeau Apr 2015 #11
Actually it went very well. Snowden has not been silenced as Manning was for one thing, the public sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #16
I think you may be confusing... gcomeau Apr 2015 #36
I am confusing nothing. For one thing, unlike in Manning's case, the Government, who attempted to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #37
Show me the reforms actually happening,. gcomeau Apr 2015 #38
What are you talking about? First you claim that Snowden 'squirmed' when asked about sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #40
I pointed you at the exact time stamp of the squirming elsewhere. gcomeau Apr 2015 #41
Really positive because before we had no idea what was going on Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #12
years before that can be answered nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #18
Watching John Oliver's piece..shocked at the ignorance of Americans Sienna86 Apr 2015 #29
Why would we care that the NSA monitors foreign communications? It's their job. randome Apr 2015 #35
I'll defer judgement until it all comes out Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #31
an absolute as well as a net positive MisterP Apr 2015 #32
That's What I Was Thinking... WillyT Apr 2015 #33
Morning Kick !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #34
I think we should stop trying to make it simple. Orsino Apr 2015 #39
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