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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
18. Its a double standard
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 05:50 AM
Apr 2015

The US has way more business relationships with Saudi Arabia & other Gulf Countries. (Also helping Saudi in their war with Yemen)

Trust me, the vast majority of those business transactions are off the backs of imported labor. Exploited & Abused. That is how their economies are built (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, etc). The Department of Defense gets in on the action as well. US companies human traffic poor Asian & Africa workers.

Offshoring the Army: Migrant Workers and the U.S. Military
http://www.uclalawreview.org/?p=6348

Qatar: the migrant workers forced to work for no pay in World Cup host country - video
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/video/2013/sep/25/qatar-migrant-workers-world-cup-host-video

This kind of capitalism has gone on since the US & the CEO Halliburton liked the idea from the first gulf war, they used in the wars since. Open it up to private companies, the US does business with looters all the time. The reason why they care so much about Venezuela is they won't open it up to Shell, Exxon Mobile, & Chevron, etc. Saudi Arabia is the "worst of the worst" of human rights violators but they let the oil & gas companies in and the US kisses their ass.


How Qatar is funding the rise of Islamist extremists
The fabulously wealthy Gulf state, which owns an array of London landmarks and claims to be one of our best friends in the Middle East, is a prime sponsor of violent Islamists
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/qatar/11110931/How-Qatar-is-funding-the-rise-of-Islamist-extremists.html

The case against Qatar
The tiny, gas-rich emirate has pumped tens of millions of dollars through obscure funding networks to hard-line Syrian rebels (with the help of the CIA) and extremist Salafists, building a foreign policy that punches above its weight. After years of acquiescing -- even taking advantage of its ally's meddling -- Washington may finally be punching back.


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Hossam is a peripheral figure in a vast Qatari network of Islamist-leaning proxies that spans former Syrian generals, Taliban insurgents, Somali Islamists, and Sudanese rebels. He left home in 1996 after more than a decade under pressure from the Syrian regime for his sympathy with the Muslim Brotherhood. Many of his friends were killed in a massacre of the group in Hama province in 1982 by then President Hafez al-Assad. He finally found refuge here in Qatar and built his business and contacts slowly. Mostly, he laid low; Doha used to be quite welcoming to the young President Bashar al-Assad and his elegant wife, who were often spotted in the high-end fashion boutiques before the revolt broke out in 2011.

When the Syrian war came and Qatar dropped Assad, Hossam joined an expanding pool of middlemen whom Doha called upon to carry out its foreign policy of supporting the Syrian opposition. Because there were no established rebels when the uprising started, Qatar backed the upstart plans of expats and businessmen who promised they could rally fighters and guns. Hossam, like many initial rebel backers, had planned to devote his own savings to supporting the opposition. Qatar’s donations made it possible to think bigger.

In recent months, Qatar’s Rolodex of middlemen like Hossam has proved both a blessing and a curse for the United States. On one hand, Washington hasn’t shied away from calling on Doha’s connections when it needs them: Qatar orchestrated the prisoner swap that saw U.S. soldier Bowe Bergdahl freed in exchange for five Taliban prisoners in Guantánamo Bay. And it ran the negotiations with al-Nusra Front, al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, that freed American writer Peter Theo Curtis in August. “Done,” Qatari intelligence chief Ghanim Khalifa al-Kubaisi reportedly texted a contact — adding a thumbs-up emoticon — after the release was completed.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/09/30/the-case-against-qatar/

How Does ISIS Fund Its Reign of Terror?
Grossing as much as $40 million or more over the past two years, ISIS has accepted funding from government or private sources in the oil-rich nations of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait—and a large network of private donors, including Persian Gulf royalty, businessmen and wealthy families.
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/11/14/how-does-isis-fund-its-reign-terror-282607.html

This animosity has resulted in a new campaign in the west to demonize the Qataris as the key supporter of terrorism. The Israelis have chosen the direct approach of publicly accusing their new enemy in Doha of being terrorist supporters, while the UAE has opted for a more covert strategy: paying millions of dollars to a U.S. lobbying firm – composed of former high-ranking Treasury officials from both parties – to plant anti-Qatar stories with American journalists. That more subtle tactic has been remarkably successful, and shines important light on how easily political narratives in U.S. media discourse can be literally purchased.

This murky anti-Qatar campaign was first referenced by a New York Times article two weeks ago by David Kirkpatrick, which reported that “an unlikely alignment of interests, including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Israel” is seeking to depict Doha as “a godfather to terrorists everywhere” (Qatar vehemently denies the accusation). One critical component of that campaign was mentioned in passing:

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The Camstoll Group was formed on November 26, 2012. Its key figures are all former senior Treasury Department officials in both the Bush and Obama administrations whose responsibilities included managing the U.S. government’s relationships with Persian Gulf regimes and Israel, as well as managing policies relating to funding of designated terrorist groups. Most have backgrounds as neoconservative activists. Two of the Camstoll principals, prior to their Treasury jobs, worked with one of the country’s most extremist neocon anti-Muslim activists, Steve Emerson.

Camstoll’s founder, CEO and sole owner, Matthew Epstein, was a Treasury Department official from 2003 through 2010, a run that included a position as the department’s Financial Attaché to Saudi Arabia and the UAE. A 2007 diplomatic cable leaked by Chelsea Manning and published by WikiLeaks details Epstein’s meetings with high-level Abu Dhabi representatives as they plotted to cut off Iran’s financial and banking transactions. Those cables reveal multiple high-level meetings between Epstein in his capacity as a Treasury official and high-level officials of the Emirates, officials who are now paying his company millions of dollars to act as its agent inside the U.S.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/25/uae-qatar-camstoll-group/



Superme Courts lets victims' 9/11 suit vs. Saudi Arabia proceed
The U.S. Supreme Court gave the go-ahead Monday to a lawsuit by victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks against the government of Saudi Arabia, alleging it indirectly financed al-Qaeda in the years before the hijackings.

The justices declined to hear an appeal by the Saudi government of a lower-court ruling that the lawsuit could go forward. The high court also declined to hear a separate appeal by 9/11 victims of a lower-court decision preventing them from suing dozens of banks and individuals that allegedly provided financial assistance to the hijackers.

"From our perspective, we are looking forward to having the opportunity to finally conduct an inquiry into the financing of the Sept. 11 attacks," said Sean Carter, a partner at the Center City law firm Cozen O'Connor, one of the firms involved in the litigation against the kingdom.

Saudi Arabia has long denied responsibility for the attacks and pointed to a finding by the 9/11 Commission that it had found no evidence that the Saudi government "as an institution" had involvement.
http://articles.philly.com/2014-07-02/business/51005807_1_saudi-arabia-saudi-government-cozen-o-connor

The Missing Pages of the 9/11 Report
The lead author of the Senate’s report on 9/11 says it’s time to reveal what’s in the 28 pages that were redacted from it, which he says will embarrass the Saudis.

A story that might otherwise have slipped away in a morass of conspiracy theories gained new life Wednesday when former Sen. Bob Graham headlined a press conference on Capitol Hill to press for the release of 28 pages redacted from a Senate report on the 9/11 attacks. And according to Graham, the lead author of the report, the pages “point a very strong finger at Saudi Arabia as the principal financier” of the 9/11 hijackers.

“This may seem stale to some but it’s as current as the headlines we see today,” Graham said, referring to the terrorist attack on a satirical newspaper in Paris. The pages are being kept under wraps out of concern their disclosure would hurt U.S. national security. But as chairman of the Senate Select Committee that issued the report in 2002, Graham argues the opposite is true, and that the real “threat to national security is non-disclosure.”

Graham said the redacted pages characterize the support network that allowed the 9/11 attacks to occur, and if that network goes unchallenged, it will only flourish. He said that keeping the pages classified is part of “a general pattern of coverup” that for 12 years has kept the American people in the dark. It is “highly improbable” the 19 hijackers acted alone, he said, yet the U.S. government’s position is “to protect the government most responsible for that network of support.”

The Saudis know what they did, Graham continued, and the U.S. knows what they did, and when the U.S. government takes a position of passivity, or actively shuts down inquiry, that sends a message to the Saudis. “They have continued, maybe accelerated their support for the most extreme form of Islam,” he said, arguing that both al Qaeda and ISIS are “a creation of Saudi Arabia.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/12/the-missing-pages-of-the-9-11-report.html

Suspicions about the Gulf kingdom intensified in 2003 when the Bush administration blocked the release of a 28-page section of a congressional report on the attacks believed to focus on terror funding in Saudi Arabia.

Princess Haifa al-Faisal, wife of Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia's long-standing ambassador in Washington, was at one point implicated for making donations worth $130,000 to the wives of two friends of the hijackers in San Diego.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3815179.stm

Are Gulf allies are not only brutal oppressors & labor traffickers, they are an enemy to not just us, many others including their own people. Venezuela isn't even close but instead of sanctioning any business individuals or even sanction the country but instead, we have their backs the wealthy Bin Laden family was flown out of here when no one else could travel freely within the country or out of the country.

Nationalized their oil industry. Scuba Apr 2015 #1
You've got it. mmonk Apr 2015 #2
Here are the 7 individuals sanctioned. Can you tell us how any msanthrope Apr 2015 #4
when it comes to human rights violations, pot and kettle. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #8
No one has fully clean hands. It msanthrope Apr 2015 #10
I tell you counselor the easy, lazy equivalency response is now the norm. great white snark Apr 2015 #13
Its a double standard JonLP24 Apr 2015 #18
And? You seem to be making an argument that we should not proceed on some human rights msanthrope Apr 2015 #22
Sanctioning wealthy foreign businessman from doing business with the US? JonLP24 Apr 2015 #25
Didn't someone just mention false equivalency? merrily Apr 2015 #27
yup, i wonder if these people think we should not be critical of Netanyahu and Israel JI7 Apr 2015 #84
Those guys are less violent than the LAPD. Monk06 Apr 2015 #14
And you seem to be making the argument that all other justice stops until the people msanthrope Apr 2015 #23
No I'm saying we live in a topsy turvy world when the state police force of a supposedly Monk06 Apr 2015 #72
And as I've pointed out to you LittleBlue Apr 2015 #63
Thank you newfie11 Apr 2015 #5
! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #37
Bingo. They used their own resources instead of letting us have them. jwirr Apr 2015 #56
Yes, how dare they and they paid off their IMF loan, meaning they became independent of the Western sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #57
Bingo. hifiguy Apr 2015 #61
Venezuela didn't get sanctioned. 7 individuals from Venezuela msanthrope Apr 2015 #3
When did human rights violations by individuals in another country become a threat to US muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #19
When they funnel cash through US financial institutions, then our banking msanthrope Apr 2015 #21
"does that mean we do nothing until we address SA" merrily Apr 2015 #28
I wasn't the one who brought up SA. Why not address that poster msanthrope Apr 2015 #31
I am addressing your comment--rather question--not what another poster said about Saudi Arabia. merrily Apr 2015 #33
Merrily. ...in our last interaction, you got very frustrated and insulting. msanthrope Apr 2015 #35
Good luck. joshcryer Apr 2015 #42
So, that would be for at least the past 40 years, in the case of Saudi Arabia muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #29
Blame Congress, then. The EO is pursuant to 2014 legislation. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #32
The sanctions "go beyond the requirements of this legislation" - see #20 muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #36
Good. Which one of the 7 named are you defending? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #47
Guess. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #48
Who signed that bill into law? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #65
Are you connecting Venezuela, or the 7 named people, with terror? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #49
But, but, but they have oil. SummerSnow Apr 2015 #77
+1 joshcryer Apr 2015 #41
Gotta love the boligarchs. joshcryer Apr 2015 #43
Obama formally named Venezuela a threat to the national security of the US. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #59
You'll be waiting a long time for any COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #81
When was Venezuela sanctioned?... SidDithers Apr 2015 #6
Any past or present members of the Venezuelan government can be targeted muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #20
7 Chavistas equals Venezuela? Um, no. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #24
No, *every past or present member of the Venezuelan government* equals Venezuela muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #30
Yes....they can be named specifically, but so far, only those 7 msanthrope Apr 2015 #34
As I've said, there are many members of past or present governments all over the world muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #38
didn't kiss the corporations' asses hobbit709 Apr 2015 #7
Because both Cuba and Venezuela insist that their sovereignty be recognized malaise Apr 2015 #9
+1000 DeSwiss Apr 2015 #40
because the oil lobbyists demanded their puppets in Washington to do it! B Calm Apr 2015 #11
Cuba has granted asylum to terrorists and hijackers in the past.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #12
Cuba is still existing inspite of American sanctions for over akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #17
Huh? We have a lease for the base at Guantanamo. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #50
There is nothing legal about the place JonLP24 Apr 2015 #62
It made the US President an asshole when President Chavez akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #15
Not a damn thing JonLP24 Apr 2015 #16
I must acknowledge Chavez for this: merrily Apr 2015 #26
! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #39
Thanks, gracias and merci, DeSwiss. I assumed it was only regional. merrily Apr 2015 #45
De nada DeSwiss Apr 2015 #71
That program was not only in New England. Some of that was also delivered to Indian Reservations jwirr Apr 2015 #58
There are none. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #44
...! KoKo Apr 2015 #52
Threat comes from having economic independence. Octafish Apr 2015 #46
The excerpt below will explain it to you, precisely, and concisely: Zorra Apr 2015 #51
Why?... Talkin' back... that's why. nt Bigmack Apr 2015 #53
Also, they have become a narco state, funneling vast amounts of drugs... elfin Apr 2015 #54
Oh, that's funny. Venezuela is a narco state because drug flow through there. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #60
While others produce and get it to the U.S. - Ven. gets it to terrorists elfin Apr 2015 #66
It goes all over JonLP24 Apr 2015 #68
That is kind of funny MFrohike Apr 2015 #70
What terrorists? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #73
Al Shabab and ISIS elfin Apr 2015 #83
HBO? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #75
Because they elected a communist for President. Cleita Apr 2015 #55
Christ, if you're going to post about Venezuela COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #79
I wasn't talking about oil fields. Others were, but I wasn't. Cleita Apr 2015 #82
Nada. Zip. Zilch. Puglover Apr 2015 #64
The sanctions are trumped up to target 7 individuals but in reality they are punishment riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #67
Then they're a little late. Check when Venezuela COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #80
The sacred link between the U.S. dollar and oil must be preserved. hunter Apr 2015 #69
dared to try an alternative to vulture capitalism. The oligarchs do not tolerate heterodoxy Doctor_J Apr 2015 #74
Saudi Arabia practices human rights violations and were allies with them? SummerSnow Apr 2015 #76
It's late president said the truth about George W Bush, "Dangerman," at the UN Octafish Apr 2015 #78
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