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napi21

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121. Not voting is the cowards way out.

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 12:33 AM

Apr 2015

So the Pubbie gets elected by a few votes because some Dems wanted to prove a point? Somehow that doesn't make any sense to me. If there is someone you really want to be our next President, then get a movement going to get that person to run! If enough others agree with you, they'll win the primary. And don't say you just want Liz Warren. She has repeatedly said NO! Pick someone else. But don't just abstain from voting just because you're not thrilled with the Dem candidate. At least, look at whoever the two candidates are, and pick one. Voting for the better of two bad is much better than not voting for anyhone.

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Do you feel that Hillary is being bashed by Democrats?? [View all] kentuck Apr 2015 OP

That's a strange question. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2015 #1

Bank on that much... HA Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Apr 2015 #86

Hillary can stand questions and debate. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #2

Yes. She did great here: bvar22 Apr 2015 #61

Oh please! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #62

Oh Please WHAT? bvar22 Apr 2015 #66

When given a valid argument to argue with I will. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #67

OK. IN that video, HIllary said she would NOT "Raise the Cap" on FICA deductions bvar22 Apr 2015 #69

Where was the cap at? What level of income? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #70

Watch the video. bvar22 Apr 2015 #73

I think a good number is 250,000 dollars. Raise taxes on them and above. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #76

Oh please what? Smithryee Apr 2015 #81

Read below. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #85

Hillary is over-attacked. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #3

Some here seem to think that scrutinizing candidates is "disloyal" or "divisive". Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #4

+1 arcane1 Apr 2015 #10

Agree completely n/t MissDeeds Apr 2015 #13

+1 cui bono Apr 2015 #80

+ another Scuba Apr 2015 #107

+1 Eyerish Apr 2015 #118

+1 JEB Apr 2015 #122

+1 /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #126

No. Her supporters just seem to be a bit hyper sensitive. Autumn Apr 2015 #5

I don't support HRC, but claiming her platform is "I have a vagina" is silly emulatorloo Apr 2015 #26

Did someone say that?? Autumn Apr 2015 #44

No tazkcmo Apr 2015 #46

Yes, but you knew that already. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #50

Robert Reich said no such thing. Autumn Apr 2015 #52

Even if she is not your dream candidate, it still hurts to shoot yourself in the foot world wide wally Apr 2015 #6

Hillary herself has NEVER suggested that just being a woman qualifies her to run for President. pnwmom Apr 2015 #7

Exactly. It's obvious that she will be the first woman President MineralMan Apr 2015 #12

Exactly Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #71

She isn't going to be the first women President.. Smithryee Apr 2015 #83

My name's not Frank, MineralMan Apr 2015 #112

ha! Skinner banned that poster so OKNancy Apr 2015 #113

Thanks for letting me know. MineralMan Apr 2015 #114

bashing and criticism are two different things OKNancy Apr 2015 #8

And I have a problem with DUers who think progressive women only support her because of her gender. pnwmom Apr 2015 #14

agreed! OKNancy Apr 2015 #15

Yes, it is very, very insulting. MoonRiver Apr 2015 #18

I'd say, in some respects she's more qualified than most of the (R) men running at this point justiceischeap Apr 2015 #129

She does not like Republicans? bvar22 Apr 2015 #133

Yes Andy823 Apr 2015 #21

There's bashing, and there's honest disagreement irrationaly mislabeled as bashing. arcane1 Apr 2015 #9

there is bashing irrationally labelled as honest disagreement OKNancy Apr 2015 #33

Indeed! :) arcane1 Apr 2015 #36

....and there is Honest Disagreement irrationally labeled as "bashing". bvar22 Apr 2015 #145

There's a lot of bashing on DU. MoonRiver Apr 2015 #11

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #32

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2015 #74

+ we can do it Apr 2015 #168

I feel that a certain element here uses the term 'bash' to divide up DU and they do it on purpose. Rex Apr 2015 #16

Perfectly said! arcane1 Apr 2015 #22

It is as if we are just supposed to ignore the obvious for the sake of their agenda. Rex Apr 2015 #24

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Apr 2015 #48

Maybe, yes, yes, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #17

That's a great question. H2O Man Apr 2015 #19

The responses to H2O Man Apr 2015 #35

"Objective people are fully capable of telling the difference between the two." antigop Apr 2015 #54

Well, thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #151

No (nt) bigwillq Apr 2015 #20

No, the only Democrats doing any "bashing" are a very tiny minority. tritsofme Apr 2015 #23

Yet, a relatively small faction ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #37

Nnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #25

I don't think she is. I think supporters of candidates (myself included) have super thin ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #27

She's been a target, on the national level, for more than 20 years... SidDithers Apr 2015 #28

I feel that you stepped in horseshit when you suggested Clinton's genitals are her platform emulatorloo Apr 2015 #29

"Democrats" aren't bashing HRC ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #30

You say "progressives" (your quotes) have no home in the Democratic party? delrem Apr 2015 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #53

Not being a sailor, I'm not certain what you ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #77

Not odd at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #75

Sigh. nt delrem Apr 2015 #94

Yes ... sighhhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #99

look. I get it. You don't like progressives. I get it as hard as you push it. delrem Apr 2015 #100

No. I've just never seen a DU Styled progressive in the wild ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #110

Apparently, there are a lot of things you haven't seen. bvar22 Apr 2015 #134

See my post #131 ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #135

I have NEVER called you a "DU Styled Conservative". bvar22 Apr 2015 #138

3rd-way, and all the lovely variations thereof. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #139

AFter reading your posts in this thread, bvar22 Apr 2015 #146

Okay. Thanks for the advice ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #150

Did you get confused? bvar22 Apr 2015 #162

look 4 posts up. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #165

So the answer is NO. bvar22 Apr 2015 #169

But you have referred to me as ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #170

I don't believe I have ever refered to you as anything at all. bvar22 Apr 2015 #172

And I have never referred to YOU as anything, either ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #173

Did you mean to put Democrats in quotes? Rex Apr 2015 #56

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #78

K the OP did not so I was confuseded. Rex Apr 2015 #101

So by your definition, progressives are not welcome in the Dem Party? cui bono Apr 2015 #82

No, everyone from the left is welcome ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #91

"but, if I were, I was, I we would be talking about majority rule." PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #96

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #97

"just" has everything to do with many things PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #103

Rails ... Off. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #111

So then I'm gathering from your posts here that you don't think the Dem Party is or is supposed cui bono Apr 2015 #115

Well said Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #125

I remember when the Democratic Party was progressive too Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #144

Progressives have no real political home? PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #120

It has occurred to me, perhaps, I should clarify my statement ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #131

This "DU Styled Progressive" (to use your words) lives HERE: bvar22 Apr 2015 #136

No, not long ago, a vote for Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #141

I never suggested that things were GREAT. bvar22 Apr 2015 #142

Do any of the points in my #131 post ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #152

Respond the the CHALLENGE I posted above, bvar22 Apr 2015 #160

Well said JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #155

Look at the responses to my post ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #156

I noticed that JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #159

Many are madokie Apr 2015 #31

No, but some of the attacks are ridiculous... Adrahil Apr 2015 #38

Criticism is fine. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #39

Some here on DU do bash her. napi21 Apr 2015 #40

But she is a corporate Dem. It's not "bashing" to say so. That is about her policy stances cui bono Apr 2015 #116

Not voting is the cowards way out. napi21 Apr 2015 #121

No, pretty much the opposite really. cui bono Apr 2015 #124

I have a poll from 2005 that will support you. bvar22 Apr 2015 #132

Thanks for that info, it represents what Thom has been talking about lately. cui bono Apr 2015 #143

She can take the heat workinclasszero Apr 2015 #41

You bet they are scared, right out of their tightie whities! leftofcool Apr 2015 #88

If you're referring to the some DUers rock Apr 2015 #43

Are you trying to say that if a DU member doesn't support 1%Hillary, bvar22 Apr 2015 #64

It doesn't matter what I am as I am not making any unjustified claims rock Apr 2015 #68

I expect it gwheezie Apr 2015 #45

How do you mean that question? When polled, Dems like Hillary. McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #47

Well, DU members "bashing" Clinton are not "Democrats"... brooklynite Apr 2015 #49

Did you mean to put Democrats in quotes? Rex Apr 2015 #57

Yes, as Democrats are apparently defined in the OP brooklynite Apr 2015 #58

I C did not get that part of your post. Rex Apr 2015 #59

I don't have a clue. pangaia Apr 2015 #51

Pundits + message board liberals don't equal Democrats nt shebolleth Apr 2015 #55

Was Hillary "bashing" Obama in 2008 with the 3:00 a.m. phone call ad? Jim Lane Apr 2015 #60

Yes. tavernier Apr 2015 #63

No. LWolf Apr 2015 #65

+1 InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #72

How can real Democrats stand with a money candidate? It's disgusting. The rich are destroying us. L0oniX Apr 2015 #79

I am going to break this to you gently leftofcool Apr 2015 #89

Pffft what ever. L0oniX Apr 2015 #90

Only at DU, where fear and loathing masquerade as trenchant analysis... Hekate Apr 2015 #84

One member's criticism, bvar22 Apr 2015 #87

I think they are shamed by having to bow to the rich to win elections. It's a sell out. L0oniX Apr 2015 #92

I'm with you. bvar22 Apr 2015 #140

Good info ...thanks. L0oniX Apr 2015 #149

some may bash, but many others DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #93

Yes, but not undeservedly so. Chan790 Apr 2015 #95

+1 Scuba Apr 2015 #108

99% of the bashing I see is on DU. In the real world not so much. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #98

She should be bashed a lot more, for her record and her agenda of war against the working class. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #102

I think it's sexist dog shit of the worst kind to hint or claim that Hillary is running "just as a cali Apr 2015 #104

No, it's not. It's really, factually not. Chan790 Apr 2015 #109

YAY....HIllary is a woman!!!!! bvar22 Apr 2015 #161

No more so than Obama has been bashed by Democrats the last 6-7 years krawhitham Apr 2015 #105

I think we should be criticizing her as much as Obama has been criticized the last 7 years davidpdx Apr 2015 #106

I felt a shift today libodem Apr 2015 #117

No, not bashing, just keeping the conversation real. PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #119

Of COURSE Hilary is getting bashed. It's primary season. davsand Apr 2015 #123

Bashed, or called on her s-it ? Do you think the other side scrutinizes themselves ? orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #127

we Democrats due a very good of bashing our own... chillfactor Apr 2015 #128

I think it's bashing to say she's "just a woman" gollygee Apr 2015 #130

Gender has absolutely NO bearing on the ability to lead. bvar22 Apr 2015 #174

No - I think it's actually helpful to have differing points of view in the primary season. Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #137

Not nearly enough. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #147

The general population is kept in a state of political ignorance by design. Maedhros Apr 2015 #154

Mostly by Libertarians and a few young idealists who actually expect bettyellen Apr 2015 #148

In addition to vision, I want leadership. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #153

yeah Hillary is really being bashed by her party... Takket Apr 2015 #157

After the last 2 days, I'm changing my vote to Yes, Fuck Yes....nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #158

I don't believe you get a vote , Sid. bvar22 Apr 2015 #163

The vote was on the question "Is Hillary being bashed by Democrats?"... SidDithers Apr 2015 #166

I have very little concern for comments from the PeaNut Gallery... bvar22 Apr 2015 #167

Some legitimate criticisms based on analysis, LanternWaste Apr 2015 #164

No fadedrose Apr 2015 #171