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209. I'd prefer another more serious unedited interview w Dr. Melinda Wharton but I haven't seen one.(nt)

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Study: You Can't Change an Anti-Vaxxer's Mind [View all] zappaman Oct 2014 OP

Too bad there's no vaccine against stupidity... SidDithers Oct 2014 #1

Mumps can cause sterility ... REP Oct 2014 #14

How happy do you think parents were, in the late 50's, when a polio vaccine became available... SidDithers Oct 2014 #17

I was born in '64. I know how happy parents were about the polio, MMR and other vaccines. REP Oct 2014 #22

Yup. I've got the shoulder scar too... SidDithers Oct 2014 #23

At the time, I just thought it was a lot of needles but I got a sucker afterwards REP Oct 2014 #25

So do I. murielm99 Oct 2014 #115

I also had the smallpox vac and was happy to get it. I have met people who survived smallpox. Shrike47 Oct 2014 #106

Just keep pushing statistics like this front and center. randome Oct 2014 #2

IMO, all personal belief exceptions should be eliminated... SidDithers Oct 2014 #5

Yes shenmue Oct 2014 #6

May have to come to that... daleanime Oct 2014 #33

The parents should go to jail for child abuse, imo. joshcryer Oct 2014 #67

Oh really? yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #178

The difference is letting your child go to church or not... zappaman Oct 2014 #179

Maybe. I just hate telling parents how to parent. yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #180

Responsibilities to the community matter. -eom- HuckleB Oct 2014 #181

Merely being biologically capable of conceiving Feral Child Oct 2014 #189

Yes. Nt Barack_America Oct 2014 #128

Nailed it, Sid. GoneOffShore Oct 2014 #155

This is because it's attached to a larger world view daredtowork Oct 2014 #3

I think part of it is information overload, too. randome Oct 2014 #15

The pseudo-information daredtowork Oct 2014 #28

Facts are also boring and dry. Peddlers of snake oil have always known how Maru Kitteh Oct 2014 #37

Regardless of how it's done daredtowork Oct 2014 #46

"Not Sure" did it by putting toilet water on the crops instead of Brawndo Maru Kitteh Oct 2014 #49

Well Mayim Bialik is not exactly the poster girl for Brawndo daredtowork Oct 2014 #50

What do you recommend? Blanks Oct 2014 #72

A more diplomatic approach daredtowork Oct 2014 #89

I like your approach... Blanks Oct 2014 #96

I can see why you're frustrated daredtowork Oct 2014 #99

Yes, the approach that you recommend is best... Blanks Oct 2014 #102

The deaths do make the matter urgent daredtowork Oct 2014 #105

Trust in science is a big part of it, but... Blanks Oct 2014 #109

There is also a lack of trust in doctors daredtowork Oct 2014 #119

Better trust in science will come with better education REP Oct 2014 #24

Everyone that I know who has not vaccinated their children has a Masters degree or higher Tumbulu Oct 2014 #57

Anecdotal "evidence" - do you have any stats TBF Oct 2014 #69

what sort of response is this? Tumbulu Oct 2014 #117

So nothing then - ok. nt TBF Oct 2014 #123

You just have to go out on the street and ask around daredtowork Oct 2014 #142

Your argument is bigger TBF Oct 2014 #143

Steve Jobs was similar to an antivaxer. He waited to cure himself and then it was too late. randome Oct 2014 #153

Too many times people that are enormously successful in one facet of their lives believe they Ikonoklast Oct 2014 #183

Which explains why so many successful parents fall for the anti-vax bullshit. zappaman Oct 2014 #184

And it seems many such as those parents are the ones with "Indigo Children". Ikonoklast Oct 2014 #186

You know he had pancreatic cancer Tumbulu Oct 2014 #202

Yes, that's true daredtowork Oct 2014 #167

Thank you for your insightful posts Tumbulu Oct 2014 #203

Weary sigh. The two sources I've seen promoting that meme are Dr. Nancy Snyderman & Dr. Paul Offit. proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #185

ageofautism is not a reliable source... SidDithers Oct 2014 #194

Weary sigh indeed. zappaman Oct 2014 #195

not in this case. this anti vaccine shit is also a problem with college educated upper middleclass La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #122

But everyone on DU wants to thump their chest and claim it is only the fundamentalists Tumbulu Oct 2014 #135

no, this is the lefts version of climate change denial. i feel like i wrote an op about this La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #150

However, those people's education is often not one that includes science. HuckleB Oct 2014 #147

Not around where I live, all have Tumbulu Oct 2014 #204

Yeah, I see a lot of that worldview on my hospice unit Maru Kitteh Oct 2014 #36

Amen. MissB Oct 2014 #60

Thank you so much MissB :-) Maru Kitteh Oct 2014 #137

I think one of the reasons people SheilaT Oct 2014 #111

The choice should be this: vaccinate your kids or prepare to home school them Warpy Oct 2014 #38

The people that I know who do not vaccinate all home school Tumbulu Oct 2014 #58

Do you think truth outweighs being nice? nt alp227 Oct 2014 #40

Absolutely correct! Tumbulu Oct 2014 #56

Well the shoe fits phil89 Oct 2014 #78

Fair points LeftishBrit Oct 2014 #139

Some one just has to give up on, logic fails on them. One hopes that with their idiocracy they RKP5637 Oct 2014 #4

..... or a climate denier's.... or a creationist's... Bigmack Oct 2014 #7

"God is my surgeon, I shall not want." randome Oct 2014 #18

"Thank God they caught it in time..."... Bigmack Oct 2014 #21

K&R Solly Mack Oct 2014 #8

If there were a vaccine for Ebola would they avoid it? Downwinder Oct 2014 #9

I know my Facebook friends would avoid an ebola vaccine... Blanks Oct 2014 #26

naturalnews... **shudder**... SidDithers Oct 2014 #30

They don't like to be compared to a cult, but that's what it looks like to me. eom Blanks Oct 2014 #32

I liken it to an argument r/t religion .... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #10

We've got to give them another story to believe Lefty Thinker Oct 2014 #11

Science vs. "big pharma/medicine" - interesting. Maru Kitteh Oct 2014 #41

Yes, I keep thinking that it is time to think of something very creative Tumbulu Oct 2014 #59

Mumps causes sterility. The Illuminati don't want the kids of smart people like you to reproduce... hunter Oct 2014 #87

They aren't just wacko right wing bible thumpers. iandhr Oct 2014 #12

Yeah, RFK Jr is an asshat when it comes to this issue. zappaman Oct 2014 #13

The problem is that he can't be trusted there either. HuckleB Oct 2014 #20

Anti vaccination crusaders and pro lifers are both cut from the same cloth. Initech Oct 2014 #16

How about this "stupid smart person" Maher didn't mention? Archae Oct 2014 #27

Easy test Treant Oct 2014 #44

What's most facepalmingly ironic about the whole thing NuclearDem Oct 2014 #159

I believe that Bill Maher may be anti-vax too. n/t Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #35

This type of closed-mind is spreading fast in the age of the Internet. HuckleB Oct 2014 #19

I was engaged in extensive discussions on Facebook on the 'CDC whistleblower' story... Blanks Oct 2014 #29

They believe smallpox was eradicated with clean water? seriously? Marrah_G Oct 2014 #53

They believe a lot of things that would make you cringe... Blanks Oct 2014 #71

Uh oh. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #31

So, if you can't actually change their minds, why spend so much effort trying to? Electric Monk Oct 2014 #34

Nope, because vaccine uptake of 85-90% is required for that (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #47

You must stand up to them so that the onlookers know... Blanks Oct 2014 #73

And anyone's for the matter. alp227 Oct 2014 #39

"Don't Get The Flu Vaccine." Treant Oct 2014 #42

I'm in the opposite position. Lunacee_2013 Oct 2014 #52

people in your position are exactly why people should get vaccinated Marrah_G Oct 2014 #54

You're not my doctor. Nobody on this board is. I take HIS advice, closeupready Oct 2014 #84

People are worried about ebola,... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2014 #43

Fortunately there is no need for the smallpox vaccine anymore Marrah_G Oct 2014 #55

The antivaxers also believe that smallpox wasn't eradicated... Blanks Oct 2014 #74

LOL nuts Marrah_G Oct 2014 #88

News flash: people's beliefs on the whole are not rational caraher Oct 2014 #45

Sometimes people are paid to be irrational... Blanks Oct 2014 #76

True caraher Oct 2014 #95

It's part of the new "Choose your own facts" America Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2014 #48

Google allows you to know your allies & their shifting rationalizations. Do their arguments hold up? proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #113

I'd prefer another more serious unedited interview w Dr. Melinda Wharton but I haven't seen one.(nt) proverbialwisdom Apr 2015 #209

The only thing that will change their minds is... MicaelS Oct 2014 #51

Probably not even then. I can easily see a paranoid conspiracy theory being spun... Silent3 Oct 2014 #68

Meanwhile, US Vaccine Court awards $10,000,000.00+ to an autistic 10-year old ucrdem Oct 2014 #61

So, progressoid Oct 2014 #62

So the Kennedy bashers are running it out. Fast. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #63

? Bashers are running what out? progressoid Oct 2014 #64

David Kirby is not a reliable source for information... SidDithers Oct 2014 #70

LOL. The US Vaccine Injury Compensation Court paid out $276,424,636.81 in fiscal year 2013. ucrdem Oct 2014 #79

Do you know anything about David Kirby?... SidDithers Oct 2014 #80

The Huffpost author is irrelevant. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #82

Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. ucrdem Oct 2014 #83

His information about these Vaccine court rulings is accurate. pnwmom Oct 2014 #182

People are damaged by vaccines... Blanks Oct 2014 #77

Try telling that to the parents of a severly autistic child. ucrdem Oct 2014 #86

I have three autistic children that are adults now... Blanks Oct 2014 #94

I said "Regardless of the source of the injury." Please reread my post, thanks. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #97

Let me rephrase... Blanks Oct 2014 #100

If there's a statement you'd like to challenge, please quote it directly, thanks. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #104

Sure... Blanks Oct 2014 #107

No such connection therein stated or implied, as demonstrated once already. Please read carefully: ucrdem Oct 2014 #108

It makes no sense then. Bye. Blanks Oct 2014 #110

It isn't quite as simple as anti-vax. ucrdem Oct 2014 #141

It's unfortunate that you don't understand it. Blanks Oct 2014 #144

Unsupported & easily disproven talking points do not a thorough refutation make. ucrdem Oct 2014 #152

The Kennedy article that you posted linked thimerasol to autism. Blanks Oct 2014 #156

The real story. HuckleB Oct 2014 #157

And more reality. HuckleB Oct 2014 #158

Like the quote says, sagat Oct 2014 #65

Intelligence and educational level are irrelevant here eridani Oct 2014 #66

How about an insurance shift FreeJoe Oct 2014 #75

Since 1989, the US Vaccine Injury Compensation Court has paid $2,857,926,807.60 in damages. ucrdem Oct 2014 #81

Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. ucrdem Oct 2014 #85

every parent is given information about the vaccine injury fund when they consent to vaccination. missingthebigdog Oct 2014 #134

Can you post a link to support this? Thanks. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #140

Title 42 § 300aa–26. Can you answer my question? missingthebigdog Oct 2014 #145

$2,857,926,807.60 in vaccine injury damage awards should give you your answer. nt ucrdem Oct 2014 #154

Is there a reason you won't just say yes or no? missingthebigdog Oct 2014 #160

You really don't understand the difference between science and courts of any kind, do you? HuckleB Oct 2014 #161

I think anti-vaxxers should refuse any and all vaccines. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #90

Anti-Vaxxers not a problem in NYC (NYT article) because... mainer Oct 2014 #91

Are you from Maine? Seen this Op-Ed? Don't be afraid to read in full & please check out links, too. proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #92

Here on DU, one's decisions about one's body belong to the Pompous Brigade, closeupready Oct 2014 #93

yes, the pompous and so very rude brigade Tumbulu Oct 2014 #206

Chris Mooney is a 37 yo Yalie; here's an older Yalie, Dan Olmsted. Each earned BA degree in English. proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #98

what is your point? a writer has an english degree from yale? La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #121

The editorializing in Mooney's article is unsupported & offensive. The study is worth reading, OTOH. proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #126

no, it's not unsupported. nt La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #130

Mooney is correct, and his claims are supported by the evidence base. HuckleB Oct 2014 #148

Do you regard as problematic everyone on earth except those following the exact 2014 CDC schedule? proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #101

I see the Andrew Wakefield Fan club has shown up again... SidDithers Oct 2014 #112

I like accuracy. Please point out a concrete example of "misdirection/half-truths about vaccination" proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #116

Anything. Literally any-fucking-thing, in defence of Wakefield... SidDithers Oct 2014 #118

CDC Whistleblower Text Exchange With Mrs. Wakefield: “Your husband’s career was unjustly damaged..." proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #124

Keep trying. Wakefield is a fraud and continues to be a dangerous asshat... SidDithers Oct 2014 #125

AUTISM SPEAKS: Regressive Autism Reported Twice as Often among African American Children proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #138

Anti-vax bullshit should get a poster banned, under the Crazy Talk part of the TOS... SidDithers Oct 2014 #149

Dr Gorski read the following & provided comments. Skim it, skip the parts you regard as insufferable proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #166

More anti-vax bullshit from an another anti-vax website... SidDithers Oct 2014 #170

#CDCwhistleblower #hearthiswell - unreported in the MSM, but not credible? Really? (nt) proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #174

The only thing emerging is the continued flow of anti-vaccine BS. HuckleB Oct 2014 #162

As for the big "whistleblower." HuckleB Oct 2014 #163

Letter from CDC Whistleblower to CDC official Julie Gerberding proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #165

In other words, you choose to ignore reality. HuckleB Oct 2014 #169

Worth the automatic hide and thread lock-out for citing blacklisted site, HuckleB; this is tedious. proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #171

Why are you spamming debunked nonsense, and making baseless claims about other items? HuckleB Oct 2014 #173

This is the very reason many people turn their backs on vaccines entirely Tumbulu Oct 2014 #136

Sorry, but that's simply not true. HuckleB Oct 2014 #146

Guess you have not been reading my other posts Tumbulu Oct 2014 #168

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My youngest brother got measles and chicken pox at the same time. He almost died. appleannie1 Oct 2014 #103

There shouldn't be onecaliberal Oct 2014 #114

yup or public school premises (via charter schools) La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #120

They've proven as much in this thread Union Scribe Oct 2014 #127

No kidding. N/T zappaman Oct 2014 #132

Idiots will be idiots. Barack_America Oct 2014 #129

Purposely endangering the lives onecaliberal Oct 2014 #131

It was quite fascinating to me... 3catwoman3 Oct 2014 #133

Quarantine their children at home until public risk eliminated on point Oct 2014 #151

Quarantine all adults also? HockeyMom Oct 2014 #188

Yes, Quarantine all those who should be vaccinated and are not. They pose a risk to public health on point Oct 2014 #190

You do realize for your fanatical HockeyMom Oct 2014 #191

Sorry fanatics are ones with ignorance endangering everyone else on point Oct 2014 #197

Leave? HockeyMom Oct 2014 #198

You misunderstand. The can leave quarantine anytime they like. Get vaccinated or get sick. on point Oct 2014 #199

And the bottom line here is... pipi_k Oct 2014 #164

If one does not challenge their claims, those who do not know enough can be conned. HuckleB Oct 2014 #175

True. zappaman Oct 2014 #176

No surprise, but this doesn't just apply to vaccines. Even on DU I have still_one Oct 2014 #177

Ridiculing them online won't make them admit error. Orsino Oct 2014 #187

If only there were a vaccine they could give DU KamaAina Oct 2014 #192

^ This. nt TBF Oct 2014 #193

Hide 'em if you don't like 'em... SidDithers Oct 2014 #196

Are you calling these Harvard & other MDs baseless names & suggesting they should be made pariahs? proverbialwisdom Oct 2014 #207

The odd thing is, only on DU do people go all nutty about Tumbulu Oct 2014 #208

Seems it would take plenty convincing for someone to even become an anti-vaxxer in the first place JonLP24 Oct 2014 #200

My late father-in-law contracted polio while LibDemAlways Oct 2014 #201

All Anti Vaxers should be sentenced to spend at least one day in the late fifties. alphafemale Oct 2014 #205