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Safe, legal and rare... haikugal Apr 2015 #1
rare feels blamey to me elehhhhna Apr 2015 #2
I agree elehhhhna. nt haikugal Apr 2015 #14
Triangulating. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #229
Triangulating... haikugal Apr 2015 #230
Yup. That phrasing has always given me an uneasy feeling. hifiguy Apr 2015 #41
Agreed Lunabell Apr 2015 #47
To me it implies that women should have effective means of family planning csziggy Apr 2015 #53
That's my take, too. silverweb Apr 2015 #63
Yes...quibbling over rare when it means education..... Historic NY Apr 2015 #78
Agree. brer cat Apr 2015 #149
Off topic, but... silverweb Apr 2015 #151
lol brer cat Apr 2015 #155
Tell me about it! silverweb Apr 2015 #173
ding ding ding we have a winner arely staircase Apr 2015 #187
And yet despite everything abortions are still needed DrKZ Apr 2015 #195
We agree in part. silverweb Apr 2015 #198
exactly qazplm Apr 2015 #65
Excuse me? REP Apr 2015 #86
of course. but it still reduces with education, birthcontrol, family planning. which is the only seabeyond Apr 2015 #92
We disagree REP Apr 2015 #140
I think it works for all surgery. stevenleser Apr 2015 #180
No, it doesn't. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #188
You're forcing the issue. The statement stands on its own. Nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #210
Goddamn right I'm forcing the issue. And I'll keep forcing it. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #211
You are a righteous bad ass. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #212
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #105
The abortion rate in Sweden is higher than the U.S. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #163
yes. and she was so clear on it. so how do people ignore her words to focus on one word.... seabeyond Apr 2015 #68
because the use of that one word is a problem Scootaloo Apr 2015 #111
i disagree. i think she fliped it around and said clearly why it was flipped around. seabeyond Apr 2015 #116
As soon as I hear about people being stigmatized for getting thier knee repaired, sure Scootaloo Apr 2015 #123
i adamantly disagree with you. i get you. cause i react the same with that word. seabeyond Apr 2015 #126
Okay Scootaloo Apr 2015 #127
Perfectly said, thank you. nt F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #152
The phrase was removed from the party platform years ago. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #154
Because too many people awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #115
Wholly untrue. I support Hillary and hope she stops using that phrase. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #133
I'm sorry, Nikki... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #147
Even in agreement with Hillary over an issue treestar Apr 2015 #120
i am not a supporter, though listening to du the last week is making me more so. i had never heard seabeyond Apr 2015 #122
There are Hilary supporters here who feel this is a problem. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #156
i think we are kneejerking. i reacted immediately also. then continued to listen. i feel seabeyond Apr 2015 #159
oh, hogwash. I've taken issue with that phrase for years. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #162
as have i and clearly stated repeatedly. not a new rant for me. pretty important to me, too. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #164
Clear to the left, exactly. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #166
here you go PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #168
That's the one. Thank you. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #172
Agreed RecoveringJournalist Apr 2015 #106
Are you implying that those of us who are saying "abortion on demand" are not.. haikugal Apr 2015 #138
Not even close RecoveringJournalist Apr 2015 #214
It should be as easy as taking a pill... haikugal Apr 2015 #215
Gotcha RecoveringJournalist Apr 2015 #217
We'll you've explained yourself clearly and for that I thank you, haikugal Apr 2015 #218
You're welcome RecoveringJournalist Apr 2015 #242
Don't hear the phrase "safe, legal, and rare" to describe any medical procedures for men. kairos12 Apr 2015 #64
Yes, why say rare? As if something's wrong with having an abortion. It should be safe, legal, affordable and available on demand... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #103
+1 F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #157
Men don't have an equivalent procedure treestar Apr 2015 #121
you can damn well bet if there is an alternative to prostate surgery they go for it, ... oh wait. seabeyond Apr 2015 #125
I agree as well with your post AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #101
It's a concession to the people who think women have their uterus hoovered every weekend Scootaloo Apr 2015 #109
i dont see it as a concession at all. the opposite. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #113
in no way did she mean that right wing theme about unwanted children treestar Apr 2015 #119
Feels "empowered" to me....like "rare because a woman should have control over her circumstances, MADem Apr 2015 #139
Exactly! 'Rare' to me means women have choices so they never have to consider abortion LynneSin Apr 2015 #221
Both Sweden and Denmark have abortion rates higher than the U.S. They have oodles of education Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #226
You've articulated my POV on this issue better than I ever could. MADem Apr 2015 #238
Agree 100%. Should be "safe, legal and accessible" Maven Apr 2015 #148
Rare is what happens when you have good education and access to birth control bhikkhu Apr 2015 #216
I see your side TlalocW Apr 2015 #3
I like the term because DURHAM D Apr 2015 #4
Of course that is the full context of what she is saying. still_one Apr 2015 #7
We will always need abortion, always.. haikugal Apr 2015 #9
You seem to be looking for a fight. DURHAM D Apr 2015 #12
Why do you say that? haikugal Apr 2015 #18
Yes, I agree, shouldn't concede anything to the right that helps their cause to deny women the right to choose. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #107
doesn't the word rare qazplm Apr 2015 #66
No. It's unnecessary and implies there is something wrong with abortion. nt haikugal Apr 2015 #75
here's the thing though... druidity33 Apr 2015 #184
Hillary just did not mean that treestar Apr 2015 #124
It's a concession to the right to soften her position. haikugal Apr 2015 #137
If those jackasses brer cat Apr 2015 #153
Exactly. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #11
I hate it. It prioritizes abortion as a political issue over the health and needs of women. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #31
Thank you. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #32
VERY well said. hifiguy Apr 2015 #43
An excellent discussion of that word 'rare' and why it is used. Thx. nt Nay Apr 2015 #52
I would think any medical procedure qazplm Apr 2015 #67
Abortion is the sole medical procedure that is described as so icky that it ought to be rare. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #73
why? should it be rare? it is costly, invasive, stressful. wouldnt you rather NOT get preg seabeyond Apr 2015 #74
Should knee replacement surgery be rare? Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #84
if there are preventative alternatives? fuck ya. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #85
and nowhere was i arguing stress and pain level between abortion and giving birth. seabeyond Apr 2015 #88
I'm glad you were able to find the help you needed. haikugal Apr 2015 #141
Everything undesirable to go through should be as rare as possible treestar Apr 2015 #128
I really don't think anyone is attacking Hillary. nt haikugal Apr 2015 #145
I have disliked the use of the word since I first heard it in 2005. It has nothing to do with Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #161
That's interesting. haikugal Apr 2015 #203
If they can find a way to do microsurgery that makes knee replacement surgery unnneccessary, hell MADem Apr 2015 #142
Thanks. nt F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #158
+1 Fridays Child Apr 2015 #33
Rare implies "last resort" and thus "bad". jeff47 Apr 2015 #34
or, with family planning and other measures, they will not be needed at the same rate. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #72
It does not. treestar Apr 2015 #135
And why not have abortion happen a lot? Because it is bad. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #136
Yes. northoftheborder Apr 2015 #46
Exactly. It's not a concession, it's saying open up family planning options and stevenleser Apr 2015 #181
It should be rare. With contraception and family planning there would be less. Sure, there will be still_one Apr 2015 #5
Rare because there is family planning, as in birth control being available. If there isn't Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #6
Yes, and of course there are the criminal and health related aspects why it needs to be legal. Rape, still_one Apr 2015 #8
I totally agree, especially a young girl and in cases of incest, a young victim of rape should not Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #16
There are no "especially" cases for any female who wants to have an abortion... Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #232
I understand what you say, my point was and is a young girl should not be punished further after Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #233
We don't agree often but we agree on this. Cheers to us! Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #235
Rare = accessible contraception and family planning. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #10
With education, family planning, and good birth control, abortions will be rare. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #13
Sweden has all that and its abortion rate is higher than the U.S. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #165
This can't be stressed enough Novara Apr 2015 #236
Yes! Abortion is a moral and positive choice that that liberates women, saves lives, and protects PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #237
Because it speaks to the need for CONTRACEPTION. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #15
then say abortion and contraception should be safe, legal and available to all elehhhhna Apr 2015 #79
I disagree. Abortion is a last resort because it's invasive and has risks. Other options nolabear Apr 2015 #17
It's far far safer than carrying a child to term and delivery. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #20
Absolutely! nt haikugal Apr 2015 #23
There's no way Hillary means that as the option treestar Apr 2015 #129
I get that. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #132
Well yes, but we're talking about alternatives to that. nolabear Apr 2015 #167
Rare to you is never? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #169
I can't figure out why you're arguing with me. nolabear Apr 2015 #170
We're discussing. It's a discussion board, no? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #171
In 2005, Hillary also floated the notion of never... Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #199
Yeah, that's 100% bullshit PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #200
I hope you're right.. haikugal Apr 2015 #22
it would not be a last resort for me fizzgig Apr 2015 #69
It wasn't "last resort" for me REP Apr 2015 #87
I had an IUD placed 6 weeks after giving birth to my one and only child. haikugal Apr 2015 #143
I didn't read it that way at all. nolabear Apr 2015 #174
you and i share the same wish fizzgig Apr 2015 #175
Crazy medium, the Internet. But we're totally going to figure it out. nolabear Apr 2015 #209
I agree and say so often. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #19
Thanks for the links PN... haikugal Apr 2015 #25
Amen. I adore that reply of LeftyMom's. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #26
You can use that argument to increase access to contraception. iandhr Apr 2015 #24
Reduce to what? Rare is a relative term which means very different things to different people. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #28
I agree with you. iandhr Apr 2015 #29
Except the far right also believes that birth control pills are abortifacients. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #201
Yup, see Hobby Lobby. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #202
The science didn't enter the argument did it? It was all 'belief' haikugal Apr 2015 #204
It should have. It's not an abortifacient, that's a scientific fact. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #205
Which was amazing that the SC didn't use science to reach a decision ... We're toast! haikugal Apr 2015 #207
Agreed iandhr Apr 2015 #208
You hit all the salient points, well done! haikugal Apr 2015 #59
What if someone said that heart surgery should be safe, legal, and rare? enough Apr 2015 #50
If they said it while most states were simultaneously closing clinics, limiting access to it and PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #51
+1 treestar Apr 2015 #134
Exactly, or lobe-ectomies, or many other surgeries. It works for all of them. Nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #182
I think what she means by rare is by trying to lower unwanted pregnancies in the first place Marrah_G Apr 2015 #82
I think it means awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #114
It should be a last option treestar Apr 2015 #117
I always felt that the "rare" part wasn't blame-y xmas74 Apr 2015 #213
To be honest you shouldn't LynneSin Apr 2015 #220
kicked ass. sing it sister. ya... seabeyond Apr 2015 #21
No. Rare = stigma Novara Apr 2015 #27
Well said.. haikugal Apr 2015 #30
Yes you are correct. But there is more And yesthere is a Clinton inovlved DrKZ Apr 2015 #35
You are incorrect mcar Apr 2015 #83
LOL... haikugal Apr 2015 #89
that would be the ONLY word i had an issue with. i get it too. and i do not think she needs seabeyond Apr 2015 #36
I agree. She has a 100% rating with NARAL and 0% with the anti choice groups. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #38
she could. she does not have to. it totally makes sense how she uses it. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #39
*I* wish she would stop using it. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #42
obviously peace, as others wish the same. again, .... me? meh. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #44
the "rare" part also bothered me fizzgig Apr 2015 #57
No. Not at all. Effective and readily available contraception, MineralMan Apr 2015 #90
There's thinking in the anti-choice movement that women use abortion as a form of birth control justiceischeap Apr 2015 #190
k&r... spanone Apr 2015 #37
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2015 #40
That's the most impressed with Clinton I have ever been PinkPotus Apr 2015 #45
Welcome to DU!!! StevieM Apr 2015 #56
A good answer. ZombieHorde Apr 2015 #48
Hillary's strength is talking about issues concerning women and children. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #49
Rare isn't a value judgement ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #54
Making abortion rare will place value judgments on it. Novara Apr 2015 #60
A comprehensive goal ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #76
This. Her point is,abortion exists legal or not. sufrommich Apr 2015 #61
right. rare here is a good thing. means other solutions so not needed. seabeyond Apr 2015 #70
I think I'll hit my head with a brick ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #77
totaly fuggin blowing my mind. the more i listen, and the more i think about it, and thought seabeyond Apr 2015 #93
Well her husband said it in 1996 ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #100
And in 1996, the feminist organization that I was involved with protested Bill's use of the word. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #176
i would have to see how bill used it. did he do it as a concession. abortions should be rare. thats seabeyond Apr 2015 #194
I agree and the reaching to make it one treestar Apr 2015 #130
K & R SunSeeker Apr 2015 #55
What most don't get Beowulf42 Apr 2015 #58
anti abortionists, rather than prolife. and yes. that would be the point and reasoning, seabeyond Apr 2015 #62
100% correct Freddie Apr 2015 #81
They also have no problem with women dying from botched sufrommich Apr 2015 #91
She did very well. Those who want to fasten on one word need to listen to the whole thing again. Hekate Apr 2015 #71
That was a great answer from her Marrah_G Apr 2015 #80
i thought so also. but go figure. and still, we argue. lol. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #94
LOL I know Marrah_G Apr 2015 #102
i sit the same place as you do. i thought what she said was important enough for all us to hear seabeyond Apr 2015 #104
"Speechless?" One can only hope. Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #95
Hillary did a good job with her answer...but haikugal Apr 2015 #96
period at the end when she uses rare. then she explains how one decdreases it. then she brings seabeyond Apr 2015 #98
Yeah we all know what they really want and I'm done giving them anything. nt haikugal Apr 2015 #99
The "rare" talk is just another example of the left shifting to the right Novara Apr 2015 #97
Jeeez. People are willing to dismiss the whole speech just for the use of "rare". Quantess Apr 2015 #108
another example of looking for a reason to dismiss Clinton Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #110
Please, she's a big girl and no one said anything other than she did a good job. haikugal Apr 2015 #146
I don't get it either, she's been consistently pro choice for sufrommich Apr 2015 #112
as she says.... she has been to the places with botched abortions and watched the suffering. seabeyond Apr 2015 #118
Unable to agree with her on the one thing they agree on! treestar Apr 2015 #131
Swedenhas a higher rate of abortion than the U.S. And Sweden has early sex ed which Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #178
Keep saying it.... :-) nt haikugal Apr 2015 #206
I've noticed that those supporting the language refuse to respond to that point. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #219
... Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #231
That wasn't clear at all, sorry. I meant the assertion that better education and access to birth TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #239
How do explain Sweden and Europe? Women will have abortions. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #240
I am agreeing with you! I was only seeking to clarify that LA, not push back. I'm sorry if I'm not TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #241
Luminous, did you have a link we can use. haikugal Apr 2015 #222
I'm on my phone and it is a pain to post links. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #223
Thanks! There's no rush.... nt haikugal Apr 2015 #224
Here you go. And the stats are consistent on both pro-choice and anti-choice websites. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #225
This information is either. Being ignored or suppressed. haikugal Apr 2015 #228
I *have* voted for HRC and I will again. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #179
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2015 #144
kick Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #150
Thanks, kpete! In that same hearing she reiterated she opposed forced abortions, as well. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #160
YUmm...great...TPP? Worse than crickets BobSmith4152 Apr 2015 #177
Abortions are not cheap. kiva Apr 2015 #183
+1 nashville_brook Apr 2015 #185
I had a skin tag removed I had a basal cell removed should those be rare? How about colonoscopies? DrKZ Apr 2015 #196
Good answer. The right answer. nt valerief Apr 2015 #186
holy cow, ya'll -- times have changed with regard to "rare" nashville_brook Apr 2015 #189
+++ It was the camel's triangulating nose under the tent. DirkGently Apr 2015 #197
"Rare" was a mistaken concession we must retract. DirkGently Apr 2015 #191
Amen and THANK YOU! PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #192
Yes, absolutely. Why should abortions be rare? Novara Apr 2015 #193
Exactly. +1 Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #227
That was a great answer by HRC Gothmog Apr 2015 #234
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