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KoKo

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48. In all fairness to your observation....I see things a bit differently
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:01 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:37 AM - Edit history (1)

I feel you are focusing on what goes on in DU "General Discussion" and the battles there...which don't seem unusual to me having been here since the aftermath of the Supremes Shut Down of the Florida recount vote which was still in process to make their ruling. Every election since has had many disagreeing factions over candidates. This is the first election where we only have one Declared candidate and on the Democratic side and its an unusual situation since it's the first time a spouse of a former President of U.S. has declared as a candidate.

What is an interesting transformation for Election 2016 for those of us here on "Democratic Underground" is that there are now more interest "Groups" available for those of us who are concerned about what we see as urgent policy issues facing our Democratic Party after eight years of a Democratic Presidency. Policies of our Party can be discussed in depth and information shared absent the bickering, infighting and snark of the "General Discussion Forum" Battleground.

If one only visits DU to see the latest "GD" post or battle then one would get the impression that people who post are not involved in their communities and are wasting their time focusing on petty political differences rather than being out running for local office or finding candidates they agree with to do so and pounding the pavements to make sure that they get out the vote. Yet there are many of us who do post in GD who have done or are doing exactly that local grassroots activity but they long gave up discussing their candidate or what they did between the General Elections in in "GD" because there wasn't really any interest when so much fun is to be had by poking sticks at each other.

Now here are the issues:

TPP/TPIP:Are Democrats all for it because President Obama supports it and is out campaigning for it now in MSM

FOREIGN POLICY:
When Obama came into office we were in Iraq and Afghanistan. How many countries are we involved in Now? Is a new Cold War with Russia wise policy?

DRONE STRIKES in FOREIGN COUNTRIES:
Without Declaring War should the U.S. be involved in these actions?

WALL STREET GIVEAWAYS:
Shocking Lack of Prosecution of the Wall Street Bankers, Hedge Funds and Crooked Real Estate Powers that caused the Housing Crash due to the Financial De-Regulation that took place in former Administrations (Reagan through Clinton) causing a Financial Crash which which caused hardship for Americans caught up in it who lost their homes due to faulty and illegal title transfers and caused such a financial crisis that the Treasury Secretary had to beg Nancy Pelosi to get Congress to act to Bail them out! The costs to US Taxpayer and Now windiit's way into Austerity for the Eurozone members like Greece, is still ongoing.

None of those responsible for this were Prosecuted. They were Bailed out with our Tax Payer Dollars, Pension Funds and Savers and they continue to profit while Austerity and Zero Interest Rates for Savers and Retirees is now the New Normal. Some of the very people responsible for this disaster were picked to serve in our new Democratic President's Administration. The policies of that great Swindle on the American People caused by Deregulation of most of FDR's Banking reforms which served us well since the Great Depression were dismantled and not replaced by tougher regulation because both DINO Dems and Republicans were comfortable with policies that allowed this to happen. And in fact there are those, on both sides, who want MORE De-Regulation and to go after Social Security and Medicare to pay for it. Will another Crash or Disaster caused by these Hedge Funds, Venture Capitalists and Banksters be Funded by the Rest of Us?

ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY:
"Drill Baby Drill" as Fracking has increased under a Democratic President despite reports of drinking water hazards/earthquakes and depletion of our natural resources. Our President has opened up our East Coast and Part of Alaska to Drilling while saving a few other places he's declared off limits.

NSA SPYING and PRIVACY ISSUES:
Still needs to be addressed.

WAR on WHISTLEBLOWERS:
Our Democratic Policy seems to be to not tolerate Whistleblowers who reveal Government Programs, waste, fraud or abuse in Govt. Agencies or outsourced to Private Contractors which could be harmful to the people.

MILITARIZATION of OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS:
We allowed military equipment (Helicopters, MRAPS, Assault Weapons, Night Vision Hardware, etc. ) used for War to be given to Police Departments all across the country. We are training our heads of local police departments in Israel and this includes even small police departments such those in Ferguson, Mo. Huge Weapons Conventions are staged in CA. to show off even more innovative Military Hardware to prospective buyers encouraging even more misuse of these weapons on our citizens. Minorities and Women are being abused and killed by badly trained police who then try to cover up their actions and there doesn't seem to be anyone in authority wanting to discuss how the Militarization of our Police is still growing even if it started under Bush II.
.................

These are issues that need to be discussed and hopefully rationally as we move forward with a possible Hillary win or even if one of the Repubs gets back in. I don't think that this is just about what you call the "Left and the Left of the Left" when our Democratic Party seems (with much evidence) to have drifted towards the Right and those very people we worked so hard NOT to ELECT.

Many of us here, myself included, have and still do work with Democratic Party issues locally. We just don't talk about it as much because the internet is not as open a place as it was in the past where people innocently felt free to talk the specifics of who they associate with and what they are doing. Others, here, work with groups for change by donating, calling, writing their Representatives. And, many were engaged in the past but because of health reasons, age or other reasons can't be as active and DU is a place for them to keep involved and up on issues that are important to them.

I guess you could call me a "Left of the Left" Democrat. I wasn't always but its not me that has changed. It's the Party that has changed. I remember strong labor unions, fight for women's equality, Consumer Advocacy/Protection of the Nader Days, the Fairness in Media Doctrine, Action for Children's Television and Ant-War Demonstrations across America. I remember much more....but, I've said enough.





Message to the Left-Wing [View all] H2O Man Apr 2015 OP
Thanks for the thoughtful OP, but I'm confused about this piece 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #1
The Democratic Left H2O Man Apr 2015 #3
OK. Thanks for that clarification. nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #7
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #14
agree G_j Apr 2015 #41
The Moral Monday H2O Man Apr 2015 #44
Just want to say that I agree with you regarding the Left building a power base within the Party. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #76
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #78
'Sticks and stones' but names, well I've been called just about everything since I first began sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #82
If you & yours H2O Man Apr 2015 #85
Lol! I don't know where this saying came from, but I think it was Dionne 'there is nothing so sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #90
Had it been my H2O Man Apr 2015 #94
Lol, that cracked me up. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #96
Oh, it was strange. H2O Man Apr 2015 #98
All I can say is you are lucky he wasn't the 'shoot first ask questions later' type. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #100
I sent you a PM. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #125
+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #19
The establishment hates the left RobertEarl Apr 2015 #11
I have to say H2O Man Apr 2015 #16
That was a nice thing to say RobertEarl Apr 2015 #108
True, that. H2O Man Apr 2015 #109
You know, Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #2
That is true. H2O Man Apr 2015 #5
How dare you bring a reasoned and rational analysis to DU:GD?! JaneyVee Apr 2015 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #8
The reasoned?? boston bean Apr 2015 #9
The other side isn't organized. It's more of a shotgun sorta deal. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #126
H20Man, this passage confuses me: tblue37 Apr 2015 #6
Sure -- glad to try H2O Man Apr 2015 #12
Thanks. nt tblue37 Apr 2015 #24
Thank you, tblue37 ! H2O Man Apr 2015 #25
I will suggest that the tensions and reality of our current situation mmonk Apr 2015 #10
As I was writing H2O Man Apr 2015 #13
Are you trying to make me blush online? mmonk Apr 2015 #15
Ha! H2O Man Apr 2015 #17
And me of you, of course. mmonk Apr 2015 #18
In this post and the one following it you both express my beliefs but what you are suggesting takes jwirr Apr 2015 #49
I'm with you completely. I'm fighting on a lower level at the time. mmonk Apr 2015 #56
Thank you. I am located in MN and on the local level we are still pretty union and FDR Dems. So jwirr Apr 2015 #60
I'm both. Join the club. mmonk Apr 2015 #92
Nothing really matters. The 1% have already won. You all just don't know it yet or won't believe it. L0oniX Apr 2015 #20
Oh, I believe it. I have no doubt that a 1% candidate will win the Presidency, but they will do it liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #21
Agree & respectfully disagree. H2O Man Apr 2015 #23
I do too".... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #29
Thanks, AuntPatsy! H2O Man Apr 2015 #58
from your lips to god's ears. i'm increasingly discouraged; i hope you're right. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #35
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #62
yep, never throw down your weapon and run heaven05 Apr 2015 #43
If 6 were 9 .... H2O Man Apr 2015 #22
+1 mmonk Apr 2015 #30
+100. Speaking for myself alone, anything but vapid cheerleaderism seems often met ND-Dem Apr 2015 #34
I couldn't agree with this more. RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #50
In 2008, I had to remind myself, off and on, that candidates are not nevessarily a reflection of Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #127
+ 1000 !!! orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #26
Nice OP! sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #27
I think this ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #28
That sounds too rational, and it does not sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #31
It's hard. H2O Man Apr 2015 #40
Indeed.....the Left needs to show up at the meetings. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #33
Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #45
I'm sure that you H2O Man Apr 2015 #37
Yes I do ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #39
Great points. H2O Man Apr 2015 #42
Absolutely! ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #53
I did a lot of volunteer work when my kids were still minors, mostly with the schools Fumesucker Apr 2015 #61
My experience differs ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #64
It's a class thing.. Fumesucker Apr 2015 #65
You're kidding right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #73
Americans like to think they are egalitarian when they are almost anything but that Fumesucker Apr 2015 #84
Is it possible that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #103
The point I'm making is that the thoughts and concerns of the lower class were never even heard... Fumesucker Apr 2015 #111
This .. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #117
Are you incapable of grasping sarcasm? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #122
my experience mirrors yours. the schmoozers put in a minimal amount of actual work & ND-Dem Apr 2015 #119
And that is what many on the Left are doing now, across the country. It is exciting actually sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #91
KR ND-Dem Apr 2015 #32
I have no doubt "the Left" knows how to do grassroots organizing ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #47
Based on your own definition of what "the left" is as well, & your own perceptions. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #115
What? Well ... okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #118
With all due respect, you are not "the Left". You said in a post to me days ago that the left cui bono Apr 2015 #123
No. I'm pretty certain I said "progressives ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #131
Okay, sorry for the delay. As I mentioned, back at work. Also recovering from strep throat! cui bono Apr 2015 #141
Think you ... but you do not get to define whatis or is not left "enough." 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #142
Thanks. cui bono Apr 2015 #143
HRC has defined nothing ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #145
And she is not a liberal nor a progressive based on the actions of other Dems in history. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #146
Not true ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #147
No response to my response (#131)? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #139
I will... I'm back at work and just peeking in on tiny breaks... n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #140
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #52
There's also the whole "diversity of tactics" issue daredtowork Apr 2015 #102
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2015 #36
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #68
Thanks. Politics is one vote, one voter at a time. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #38
Right! H2O Man Apr 2015 #69
Let me add a little view from the streets nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #46
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #70
You welcome, I am hitting my head against the wall though nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #71
In all fairness to your observation....I see things a bit differently KoKo Apr 2015 #48
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #72
How do YOU feel about the Issues I posted as you are a Dem/Dem? KoKo Apr 2015 #89
As long as you are leaving out the evisceration of social services daredtowork Apr 2015 #106
+100 ND-Dem Apr 2015 #120
These are my thoughts as well H2O Man. lovemydog Apr 2015 #51
Great post! Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #75
Artists & musicians provide healing balm for our souls. lovemydog Apr 2015 #77
Have a great time! H2O Man Apr 2015 #79
Thanks H2O Man! lovemydog Apr 2015 #80
You are absolutely right about it being a life long task. The Labor Movement did not happen liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #86
Yes, suffering economically and all the setbacks are extremely painful. lovemydog Apr 2015 #112
One of my first thoughts after Citozens United was passed in the SC, the GOP probably thought Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #54
Yeah. H2O Man Apr 2015 #81
Coalition building is a two-way street, and I mostly see PBass Apr 2015 #55
I concur. longship Apr 2015 #57
Interesting. H2O Man Apr 2015 #83
I have to admit, I am pretty much done with the whole thing. I am no longer a Democrat. That does liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #99
I respect that. H2O Man Apr 2015 #101
See, why the insults? I just don't get it. Did the Labor Movement want unicorns and rainbows? liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #107
Define "far left". I hear this phrase used so often here; it seems to me a way of dismissing ND-Dem Apr 2015 #121
Your mindset is that 'all the world is like a boxing match' so of course you see and thrive on Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #59
I think that you H2O Man Apr 2015 #67
And there is the dismissive stuff with no mention of the points made. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #95
It's a curious sport. H2O Man Apr 2015 #105
You will never start off by yourself to build up enough support to overturn gerrymandering Rex Apr 2015 #63
Gerrymandering of Congressional Districts State by State is a Huge Problem KoKo Apr 2015 #74
Huge problem. H2O Man Apr 2015 #88
The difference between yesterday and today? Corporate run government. whereisjustice Apr 2015 #66
You are absolutely right! H2O Man Apr 2015 #97
You are welcome and thank you for the thought provoking essay. whereisjustice Apr 2015 #104
We live in a county of very ignorant people. A country where people will not vote. YOHABLO Apr 2015 #87
Yes, you are right, H2O Man Apr 2015 #93
The last thing I want to do is venture into politics in real life, I've had more than enough of that Fumesucker Apr 2015 #114
And people that do vote but against their own interests due to unchallenged propaganda. mmonk Apr 2015 #110
Wonderful articulate OP, thank you. Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #113
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #128
As always burrowowl Apr 2015 #116
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #129
I live in a heavily Democratic state legislative district eridani Apr 2015 #124
Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #130
I'm getting tired of telling you how much I like your mind. malthaussen Apr 2015 #132
Talk about timing! H2O Man Apr 2015 #133
I know that attitude well. malthaussen Apr 2015 #138
"Divine authority behind govt"?? Scalia describes kings. Beartracks Apr 2015 #134
Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #135
Great quote from Malcolm X 100% JonLP24 Apr 2015 #136
Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #137
If I may, for multiple reasons nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #144
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