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104. The cancer in our political process is most decidedly corporate,
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:07 PM
Apr 2015

and the manipulative message of the OP, that votes are owed based on party, is front and center in the corporate perversion of how Americans are taught to understand our fake "democracy."

The predatory agenda of oligarchy is not possible if Americans understand the duty of candidates to represent their interests. That's why so much time, energy, and money have been poured into perverting politics into vapid team sport, instead.

You've got to hand it to our .1 percent. They are nothing if not forward-thinking and creative. What can you do, when you dismantle a 240-year-old representative system of government from the inside and replace it with oligarchy and even nascent fascism? What do you do with the shell of that system? The elections? The parties?

We have a *corporate oligarchy* focused on profit, so the solution should not be surprising: Don't throw away the shell, the outward trappings, of democracy. Keep it, because it's USEFUL.


1. It's USEFUL because it sustains the illusion of democracy.

2. And it's USEFUL because it's PROFITABLE.


Hence what we have seen done to our democratic process. Our presidential elections have been turned from civic exercise into vapid entertainment. From exercise in democracy into an obscene, hyped, massively profitable corporate pageant, a sports event that, as the Princeton study showed, has virtually *nothing* to do with the actual direction of policy or of governance in this country anymore. It is the illusion of democracy, in which the people's voices have no real impact.

Princeton study: U.S. no longer an actual democracy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025405658


We have TWO Superbowls in this country now. Two major, vapid, nationally hyped and advertised sporting events in which the people are urged to take a side and mindlessly cheer for their side to win. And from which the media oligarchs, the political oligarchs, and the banking oligarchs profit BILLIONS.

And the oligarchs are buying up new private islands with the profits from it all.



A question for HRC supporters ... [View all] NanceGreggs Apr 2015 OP
When the stripes fade seveneyes Apr 2015 #1
One of the most beautiful animals on earth.... your point? hlthe2b Apr 2015 #5
Oh, please. We aren't going to start the PUMA shit again, are we? Arkansas Granny Apr 2015 #15
ya. didnt pay attention to the shit then. seeing it now and smells just as offensive. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #26
Exactly..... FarPoint Apr 2015 #106
I give up - I've googled it and read this whole thread trying to figure out what PUMA means. n/t patricia92243 Apr 2015 #125
Party Unity My Ass... SidDithers Apr 2015 #128
You know BainsBane Apr 2015 #171
Thanks Sid ... "Party Unity My Ass..." In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #209
So far, I haven't seen or heard of one Hillary supporter this cycle say they wont stevenleser Apr 2015 #210
spoiler alert AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #2
so you throw up a stupid puma gif? seabeyond Apr 2015 #9
What point are you making? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #10
It's deja vu. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #13
Wow! You think that little of us? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #16
Not of all of you, of course. The demi-glace. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #18
of course. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #20
what is meant by demi-glace? PosterChild Apr 2015 #93
Bush will use an arsenal of questions that can't be answered. orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #32
Translation: You would rather have another Bush in the White House R B Garr Apr 2015 #35
sorry, you are not allowed to put words in my mouth AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #36
Quote from your post: "...those Democrats shut out of the process vis a vis R B Garr Apr 2015 #47
If you're worried, get a better candidate. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #59
Get a better candidate to run, dont complain you don't have a better candidate unless Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #70
I'm worried now? Where did that come from? I was responding to your R B Garr Apr 2015 #99
Your not listening . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #39
Quote from the post: "...those Democrats shut out of the process vis a vis R B Garr Apr 2015 #46
Such BS. The agitation is 100% from the 'anyone but Hillary' ones. onehandle Apr 2015 #42
riiiiiight, just like last time AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #44
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #117
Actually, I suspect she has major support on DU as well... brooklynite Apr 2015 #150
That is the way I see it too. zeemike Apr 2015 #107
More importantly what point is the OP trying to make? nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #48
To ask Clinton supporters if we would support a nominee if it is not HRC. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #51
Amazing how many non-HRC supporters have to stop by to "pee on the tree." MADem Apr 2015 #54
She is making an implication that apparently she won't make directly. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #58
And if O'Malley won and I announced I would not support him how would you feel? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #63
The big difference is that some people said years ago that they will not support rhett o rick Apr 2015 #110
With respect that is not what i asked you. how would you feel if I pulled a puma act? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #111
That's not what is happening here. I don't trust that she won't stab us in rhett o rick Apr 2015 #116
I am giving you a hypothetical. if you don't wish to answer that ok. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #120
Then think about supporting O'Malley. Why risk Clinton losing to Bush? nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #122
Because he is boring and won't win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #123
If you are willing to risk losing with Clinton, you have no one (no Nader) to blame when she loses. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #124
O'Malley is a bigger risk. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #126
You are taking a big risk. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #129
Everything is risk. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #130
Poll: Most Democrats Are Ready For Hillary Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #148
At this juncture ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #175
"Most of the Party' okasha Apr 2015 #177
If you want a candidate that will kick Republicon asses, why would you choose one that rhett o rick Apr 2015 #197
There is no "implication" here. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #68
Oh Plez! rhett o rick Apr 2015 #109
More idiocy from both sides. longship Apr 2015 #81
Amen brother/sister Hobo Apr 2015 #222
Yellow dog. I will vote for the Dem most likely to win the general. McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #3
+10,000 But I will vote for the nominee nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #71
Of course they will RobertEarl Apr 2015 #4
I will vote for the Democratic Nominee as I have always done. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #6
Ditto. McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #25
Jarvis Tyner ,otherwise ALL Dems since 1975 . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #37
Agree. I will never be a Republican enabler FLPanhandle Apr 2015 #89
i am not a clinton supporter. i will vote any dem. supreme court matters. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #7
I will vote for the Democrat who wins the primary. DURHAM D Apr 2015 #8
I supported Hillary in 2008, but when she lost in the primaries, Arkansas Granny Apr 2015 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #12
We have a lot of DURHAM D Apr 2015 #17
And the frustrating thing about their bashing Obama is that it obscures legitimate criticism... cascadiance Apr 2015 #29
To some here, legitimate criticism like the TPP, drone strikes, domestic spying, etc. OnyxCollie Apr 2015 #85
No. You are right treestar Apr 2015 #14
It's easy to say yes from the comfortable position that HRC supporters are in cali Apr 2015 #19
We have all told you what we would do. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #21
Collectively? Absolutely. Those who have hooked and crooked the party to the right for a generation TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #180
Huh? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #182
You asked if the word was doubted. Speaking for myself about the collective supporters of TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #191
Oh. i guess we are done here. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #195
We're talking about 2016 ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #23
like I said, deja vu AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #49
In case you haven't noticed ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #60
But that's my point. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #73
If declarations are "scheduled" to appear ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #80
They voted for Obama. At least all the ones I know did. And he was elected, so I am pretty sure McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #24
We'll Hillary did say McCain was better experienced than Obama. morningfog Apr 2015 #62
I was here,a Clinton supporter,and there was no sufrommich Apr 2015 #66
I didn't say the "boatload" was here. I said there were quite a few here. and there were. cali Apr 2015 #67
I was one of the people who babbled something about not voting for Obama. StevieM Apr 2015 #118
I remember too. Ironic. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #173
This is not 2008, Cali leftofcool Apr 2015 #187
I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the GE. MineralMan Apr 2015 #22
Cali makes the crucial point, though daredtowork Apr 2015 #133
There was never really an old PUMA "movement". sufrommich Apr 2015 #136
I agree. murielm99 Apr 2015 #198
Maybe most "HRC Supporters" are really "Democratic Victory in 2016 Supporters." McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #27
Well, that's my thinking as well. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #31
That would be me. I vote for Supreme Court pickers. calimary Apr 2015 #94
+100000000000000. ^THIS^ misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #138
Pretty pathetic, not to mention annoying, to think that it all boils down to THAT. calimary Apr 2015 #179
Love your passion & truth. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #188
Yes, I will vote for the Democratic nominee KMOD Apr 2015 #28
I will vote and work for the nominee. And on Election Day...I will be protecting the vote. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #30
I am NOT a HRC supporter ... yet ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #33
I WILL vote for WHOEVER Dem nominee is. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #34
Exactly!! n/t R B Garr Apr 2015 #50
That foolishness is one direction only. nt onehandle Apr 2015 #38
Well said. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #41
Just as I did in 2008, I will. . . MANative Apr 2015 #40
I'd describe myself as leaning Clinton BainsBane Apr 2015 #43
I see the point you are trying to make, but it misses the mark. morningfog Apr 2015 #45
When someone says ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #79
They won't say the unnamed candidate they would morningfog Apr 2015 #216
Yeah, well ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #217
Hon, it's already happened once! morningfog Apr 2015 #218
I guess it hasn't occurred to you ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #221
You should read more carefully. morningfog Apr 2015 #223
If Bozo the Clown gets the Democratic nomination, I'll put a GO GO GO with BO BO ZO! sticker on my MADem Apr 2015 #52
This whole thread, which just asked an honest question, MoonRiver Apr 2015 #53
Not sure of the point you are trying to make, but there is a good point to be made here. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #55
Absolutely no question,I'm a democrat.I'll vote for sufrommich Apr 2015 #56
I will vote for a ham sandwich if it becomes our nominee. lamp_shade Apr 2015 #57
If a ham sandwich became the nominee ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #75
I am a supporter of Hillary but I am still Democrat and I will vote for the DNC nominee. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #61
I vote for the Democratic Party's nominee. Always have, probably always will... winstars Apr 2015 #64
The likelihood that a candidate further right than Hillary winning the primary is slim to none cui bono Apr 2015 #65
Who is your candidate? Andy823 Apr 2015 #97
I'm hoping Bernie runs, and I believe he can win. cui bono Apr 2015 #108
Of course I will! William769 Apr 2015 #69
I'm voting for the D...no matter what. My feelings aren't that delicate... ileus Apr 2015 #72
I am as confident that Hillary will be the 2016 candidate for president beachbum bob Apr 2015 #74
I vote democratic party. workinclasszero Apr 2015 #76
If I as a known HRC supporter on this site said I am not commiting to support the nominee hrmjustin Apr 2015 #77
My point is that if you can't commit to supporting the nominee you should expect to be challenged. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #78
Although I was just told in another thread that voting doesn't matter... zappaman Apr 2015 #82
Manipulative corporate talking points, woo me with science Apr 2015 #83
I posed a simple question of HRC supporters. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #84
Perhaps you should have posted MissDeeds Apr 2015 #88
Not all HRC supporters ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #91
That's a disingenuous response tularetom Apr 2015 #181
Actually, it was a very deliberate response. NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #190
Is everything you disagree with corporate talking points? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #98
The cancer in our political process is most decidedly corporate, woo me with science Apr 2015 #104
And if hillary wins the nomination will you vote for her? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #105
Doubling down on the loyalty oaths now? woo me with science Apr 2015 #135
Loyalty oaths! Are you kidding me? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #137
Now you're playing victim? woo me with science Apr 2015 #139
"The manipulative message of the OP"? NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #183
... SidDithers Apr 2015 #134
+1 leftstreet Apr 2015 #140
Your picture of Detroit is a photoshop. sufrommich Apr 2015 #143
CNN: Homeless encampments known as "tent cities" are popping up across the country. woo me with science Apr 2015 #146
Oh my God, your picture is a photoshopped insult sufrommich Apr 2015 #147
+1 Agschmid Apr 2015 #154
I cannot imagine a Democrat who would win the primaries that I would not vote for. Hoyt Apr 2015 #86
In the General Election, there can be only the nominated Democrat. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #87
Ross Perot's run was essential for Clinton to win - twice SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #90
I thought the so-called Ross Perot influence was debunked by R B Garr Apr 2015 #95
Perot made Clinton victories possible and drove him to the right. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2015 #156
No, the exit polls showed Perot drew equally from both parties... R B Garr Apr 2015 #174
Perot got 18% and campaigned for votes from the right. 7962 Apr 2015 #213
See post 174 please Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #214
No, that is a myth that has been debunked. Exit polls and other R B Garr Apr 2015 #215
^Yup^ SoapBox Apr 2015 #96
Wow....I'm not even sure what to say, so... SoapBox Apr 2015 #92
100% for HRC! Gamecock Lefty Apr 2015 #100
Of course I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. I care too much not to. nolabear Apr 2015 #101
of course I would even vote for webb gwheezie Apr 2015 #102
I Dont Think There is One person who would reply Yes busterbrown Apr 2015 #103
I will vote for the nominee whoever that is. Agschmid Apr 2015 #112
Dear NanceGreggs Thespian2 Apr 2015 #113
Yes... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #114
I agree- the more vitriol that's thrown at her here on DU, the more determined I am to support her. NBachers Apr 2015 #155
Same. Agschmid Apr 2015 #165
Hey, NBachers.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #169
The same broken record of complaints, playing over, and over, and over, and over . . . NBachers Apr 2015 #176
I'll stay with the~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #178
I will vote for the Democratic nominee stage left Apr 2015 #115
I will enthusiastically support whoever the Democratic nominee is. (eom) StevieM Apr 2015 #119
Fall in love, then fall in line. Of course I will vote for whoever is our nominee. patricia92243 Apr 2015 #121
Conscience? Cartoonist Apr 2015 #127
You're quite right. Bad as she is, Hillary is still better than Bush or any other Republican. Cal33 Apr 2015 #142
I'm a dead dog Democrat, so the answer is YES. Pathwalker Apr 2015 #131
Depends on who it is. BKH70041 Apr 2015 #132
Even though these party loyalty threads are obnoxious, you'll find your answer in the 2008 results. rug Apr 2015 #141
I think there are some people who won't learn from 2008, because their minds are already made up, Cal33 Apr 2015 #144
I will vote for the Democratic Candidate in the general election Gothmog Apr 2015 #145
No Hillary Clinton supporter here has ever said they wouldn't support the Democratic nominee... brooklynite Apr 2015 #149
I will support, vote for, and donate to *any* Democrat who wins the primaries. Period. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #151
I will vote for whomever is the Democratic nominee.. chillfactor Apr 2015 #152
Nance: Yes, of course I'll vote for the Democratic candidate, whoever it is. NBachers Apr 2015 #153
I realize this is beyond your ken.. sendero Apr 2015 #157
Hillary is not a Dino. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #158
Not for social issues.... sendero Apr 2015 #159
Her owners? are you kidding me? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #160
I feel like.. sendero Apr 2015 #161
Fools huh. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #162
If you don't get.. sendero Apr 2015 #163
Got called a fool and put on ignore. I will have to pick up the pieces of my shattered life. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #164
!!! zappaman Apr 2015 #167
. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #168
... okasha Apr 2015 #184
. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #185
Oh boy... Agschmid Apr 2015 #219
Is this poster saying a woman can be "owned"? leftofcool Apr 2015 #192
I think the poster means she is owned by wall street but the poster can speak for themself. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #196
Wtf... Agschmid Apr 2015 #166
How did you get the idea that Democrats were anti-capital? BainsBane Apr 2015 #172
Owned? Women are owned? You should be ashamed! leftofcool Apr 2015 #193
I will vote for any candidate that the Democratic Party puts forward. cry baby Apr 2015 #170
You bet I will vote for the nominee! leftofcool Apr 2015 #186
I have no committed candidate right now but I know two things for sure whatthehey Apr 2015 #189
I'll work AND vote for Hillary if she's our nominee. oasis Apr 2015 #194
"I won't vote for HRC if she's the nominee" posts whereisjustice Apr 2015 #199
She didn't post If Hillary was the nominee will you vote for her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #201
We've all seen the "I won't vote for HRC if she's the nominee" posts.... whereisjustice Apr 2015 #202
With respect i didn't say what you are quoting. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #203
Hmmmm ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #204
"We've all seen the posts..." So you claim there is more than one. Would two whereisjustice Apr 2015 #205
Have you noticed ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #206
No, I haven't. So, can you supply the list or not? Just wondering. whereisjustice Apr 2015 #207
If you are curious ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #212
I pledge my loyalty JEB Apr 2015 #200
SCOTUS. I vote for Democrats. Hekate Apr 2015 #208
I cannot imagine a circumstance where I wouldn't vote for the Democratic nominee. stevenleser Apr 2015 #211
It depends. I probably would vote for the person who wins the BreakfastClub Apr 2015 #220
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