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redqueen

(115,096 posts)
448. Sounds to me like he was criticizing women who internalized the patriarchy's values.
Mon May 7, 2012, 02:51 PM
May 2012

The P prefers that women strive to remain youthful, ladylike, etc.

I dismiss that type of criticism from men. Firstly because they have no idea what its like for girls growing up in the P. Secondly because their criticism should be aimed at the system which conditions girls to submit to the P's dictates.

I am not a girl RobertEarl May 2012 #1
A real egalitarian? redqueen May 2012 #2
it takes serious insensitivity... CTyankee May 2012 #11
Right. RobertEarl May 2012 #16
Oh, you saint, you! CTyankee May 2012 #26
Undertsandable, but take a moment to think about it. redqueen May 2012 #32
Do what you want to do RobertEarl May 2012 #36
and the white male conservative says to maddow.... you girls, .... in order to diminish, dismiss seabeyond May 2012 #39
Seems to me RobertEarl May 2012 #48
seems to me that you are purposely trying to be sexist. why? what is the pay off for you? nt seabeyond May 2012 #56
allow me to offer a word here. His purpose is to get attention. CTyankee May 2012 #61
what a woman you are, lol... nt seabeyond May 2012 #64
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #77
now you are just sounding.... creepy. nt seabeyond May 2012 #82
snork iverglas May 2012 #273
ya. i know .... nt seabeyond May 2012 #274
They can't hurt you if you don't let them. sabrina 1 May 2012 #62
who is excited. called a discussion. nd the way and reasons usage like these seabeyond May 2012 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #118
I find it very offensive of you to accuse another poster of being "a problem" simply for disagreeing DutchLiberal May 2012 #75
It'd be nice to get some answers to those questions. nt redqueen May 2012 #40
Are you not familiar with polling? me b zola May 2012 #109
Since women make up 50% of the population, how are they 'a minority group'? DutchLiberal May 2012 #68
I have explained this to you before. redqueen May 2012 #71
So you're making up your own definitions now? DutchLiberal May 2012 #78
Sweet Jesus. nt redqueen May 2012 #79
Since you seem to have some strange aversion TriMera May 2012 #121
excellent! n/t Scout May 2012 #133
Well, ya know... TriMera May 2012 #152
Yes, we must be kind. They need help. I am more than happy to offer it! CTyankee May 2012 #281
Great presentation nt stevenleser May 2012 #470
but a girl is not a woman. is a boy a man? lmao. nt seabeyond May 2012 #12
Sure. RobertEarl May 2012 #14
He is if he's a good old boy. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #300
A man can be a boy Confusious May 2012 #320
And in that sense, women can be girls, too! Lizzie Poppet May 2012 #347
It's always about context. Hell Hath No Fury May 2012 #3
Yes, hence the two middle-ground poll answers. redqueen May 2012 #5
My daughter plays Fast-Pitch softball... Whiskeytide May 2012 #42
Oh no no no... I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say I didn't welcome men to post... redqueen May 2012 #45
yes... the are playing off of, mocking that is said and good for them seabeyond May 2012 #51
Yep. EFerrari May 2012 #50
Wow! zappaman May 2012 #90
I think it's more about self-confidence than anger issues. DutchLiberal May 2012 #94
That's a good point. n/t zappaman May 2012 #98
That self-confidence that you're so proud of TriMera May 2012 #167
Yes, you turned women into helpless, powerless victims who can't do anything on their own... DutchLiberal May 2012 #190
That's what you got from my post? TriMera May 2012 #195
That's what you said. DutchLiberal May 2012 #198
"You said women can't have any self-confidence because men (the patriarchy) won't let them." Scout May 2012 #257
Sure, if you cut up the quote it's easy to look like you're right. DutchLiberal May 2012 #277
you know you are a male behaving badly, don't you? noiretextatique May 2012 #441
Please, don't assume men are some pillar of self-confidence. Bladian May 2012 #218
Nobody handed me anything Confusious May 2012 #322
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #326
Same here... redqueen May 2012 #97
But you do seem to have reading issues. EFerrari May 2012 #104
The way you said it... "got up into the face of"... redqueen May 2012 #106
Could be. It's the internet after all and we can't see expressions EFerrari May 2012 #120
"asking for a list of forbidden words just misses the mark entirely" redqueen May 2012 #123
Getting "up in someone's face" is just a literalization of "confronting" EFerrari May 2012 #128
not only can it be done without anger, i use a smile seabeyond May 2012 #131
So if someone would refer to you as a girl, you wouldn't be able to 'get into that guys face'? DutchLiberal May 2012 #129
Yes, I'm sure you were very calm zappaman May 2012 #112
Newsflash 2: You don't have to be angry or combative to confront someone EFerrari May 2012 #115
It means to confront someone angrily zappaman May 2012 #119
I'm not hiring editors today. EFerrari May 2012 #124
"I got up in (his/her) face" is so common among my clients that if I had msanthrope May 2012 #306
I can only imagine that you never take exception when someone says to you LanternWaste May 2012 #122
As a native Texan... redqueen May 2012 #125
But if someone insisted those terms were belittling or insulting, would you stop using them? DutchLiberal May 2012 #130
With them, of course TorchTheWitch May 2012 #168
you are so awesome, consistently and always. seabeyond May 2012 #170
So if someone told me the word "and" is offensive to them, I should stop using "and"? DutchLiberal May 2012 #185
I see "bless your heart" as either genuine concern, or a back-handed compliment LanternWaste May 2012 #290
In my experience, they very often are belittling justabob May 2012 #403
You are correct. n/t zappaman May 2012 #132
Me neither leftynyc May 2012 #134
It depends on the age of the "girl" Quantess May 2012 #4
An elderly senior executive referring to his young secretary? redqueen May 2012 #6
"I'll have my woman order lunch" doesn't sound any better. Quantess May 2012 #46
"I'll have Lisa order lunch" MadrasT May 2012 #73
Well, obviously. Quantess May 2012 #166
cuz, you know, saying "i'll ask my assistant to order lunch" Scout May 2012 #74
The way the question was framed to me by Redqueen Quantess May 2012 #173
When I was 20, it might have bothered me. Now at 50+ it makes me laugh and smile. robinlynne May 2012 #7
Really? redqueen May 2012 #9
When somone is being demeaning, it doesn't matter what term they use. It's demeaning. robinlynne May 2012 #8
interesting poll and let me tell you why. what i voted is not specifically how i feel, seabeyond May 2012 #10
I always use "women" when we are talking about women. I reserve "girls" for what are really CTyankee May 2012 #22
good for you. i really had to condition myself to use woman. i love the word seabeyond May 2012 #27
I have tried and tried to understand why so many women have felt this way. CTyankee May 2012 #37
personally investing the time thinking and discussing this. age seabeyond May 2012 #47
Oh. My. God. DutchLiberal May 2012 #84
Veritably a household of fun! n/t zappaman May 2012 #93
You better believe it. EOTE May 2012 #127
I'm always at a loss as how to properly address the woman half of humanity madokie May 2012 #13
Women are regular people, just like men, and just like men, we have different opinions. redqueen May 2012 #15
Thank you madokie May 2012 #28
i dont know. i have a special place in my heart for my father. he was awfully special, too seabeyond May 2012 #30
Mybad madokie May 2012 #52
ya ya ya. nt seabeyond May 2012 #59
That's biased against women without children!!111! redqueen May 2012 #67
If you are over 30 we can use damsel, under 30 we can use lassie, that work for ya? snooper2 May 2012 #17
Please see the update to the OP. nt redqueen May 2012 #20
Update's cool but I don't think that works very well on the public internet tubes snooper2 May 2012 #23
The clarification wasn't about who should be voting... redqueen May 2012 #25
Why would anyone find this demeaning??? cbdo2007 May 2012 #18
Please see the update to the OP. nt redqueen May 2012 #21
Why would African-American men find "boy" demeaning? Gormy Cuss May 2012 #24
Why would you think I would "diminish" my sister's "worth" by calling her a girl? DutchLiberal May 2012 #88
Is your sister an adult? If she is, then yes you risk diminishing her worth by call her a child. Gormy Cuss May 2012 #140
I seriously think some posters have disconnected their theoretical views from the real world. DutchLiberal May 2012 #193
Never took a gender studies class. I've lived life as a girl and a woman. Gormy Cuss May 2012 #208
I just used that as an example; it wasn't an attack on you. DutchLiberal May 2012 #212
IIRC it was consistent with EEOC guidelines Gormy Cuss May 2012 #224
I don't know what EEOC guidelines are. What does EEOC stand for? DutchLiberal May 2012 #229
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Gormy Cuss May 2012 #245
I still think it's nonsense. DutchLiberal May 2012 #247
I understand, but it's not considered such under U.S. law. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2012 #261
That's true. Then again, many laws are nonsense, too. DutchLiberal May 2012 #262
so where's your "False Comparison" accusation now? n/t Scout May 2012 #144
I was comparing calling a woman a girl with calling a woman a girl? DutchLiberal May 2012 #194
nope. try again. Scout May 2012 #259
I compared women to women; you compared women to African-Americans. DutchLiberal May 2012 #265
It all depends on context. cbdo2007 May 2012 #89
I was replying to a question of why it would be perceived as demeaning. Gormy Cuss May 2012 #141
I agree. Well said. n/t DLevine May 2012 #160
Because Andrea Dworkin told them to. DutchLiberal May 2012 #87
don't worry your pretty little head... Scout May 2012 #142
OMG!!!!!1!1 You just said 'pretty little head'! I'm gonna alert!!!!1!1 DutchLiberal May 2012 #179
here's a clue: grown women don't like to be called girls; black men don't like to be called boys noiretextatique May 2012 #445
I first chose the third option but after thinking about it... Spazito May 2012 #19
As a dude may I chime in? Taverner May 2012 #29
Yes! Yes of course, sorry redqueen May 2012 #33
the boys in the band? Playing poker with the boys? dmallind May 2012 #43
The perception of "girls" is different than "boys" Taverner May 2012 #63
There's a difference between the plural and the singular..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #149
Is there ANY term that... 99Forever May 2012 #31
white male privilege takes us a long way seabeyond May 2012 #34
Many offensive terms are used to reinforce social norms... redqueen May 2012 #38
I'm sure he gets it. He just doesn't agree with it. DutchLiberal May 2012 #96
So he understands these terms are used to maintain a group's dominant status... redqueen May 2012 #99
No, he doesn't agree with your theories about these terms. DutchLiberal May 2012 #103
They're not *my* theories, just as the definition of a minority group is not *my* definition. redqueen May 2012 #110
"Fucksake, why do I bother?" i do not know. why? seabeyond May 2012 #111
Hahahahaha... redqueen May 2012 #116
Okay, then he doesn't agree with SOMEBODY ELSE'S theories that YOU used... DutchLiberal May 2012 #113
oh they get it all right Scout May 2012 #146
Or they just disagree. DutchLiberal May 2012 #200
You forgot the sarcasm tag. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2012 #53
No, my friend ... 99Forever May 2012 #174
I'm sorry about the "actual shit" in your life Gormy Cuss May 2012 #215
What you seem not to want to... 99Forever May 2012 #266
What you seem not to want to understand is this isn't trivial. Gormy Cuss May 2012 #279
REAL gender bias... MadrasT May 2012 #280
Be prepared to have your post alerted on because you "don't think women deserve any respect"... DutchLiberal May 2012 #92
spoken like a true ally noiretextatique May 2012 #450
So now the word... 99Forever May 2012 #462
I don't mind it if it's between girlfriends joking around, sufrommich May 2012 #35
I also prefer "Ma'am" to "Mrs." planetc May 2012 #41
Love this post! redqueen May 2012 #49
I prefer Ms. personnally. Hatchling May 2012 #147
I attribute this more to young people not knowing better and not being taught these things ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #154
I've always found the term seriously creepy. closeupready May 2012 #44
I'd say it's more internalized patriarchy than self-respect issues... redqueen May 2012 #55
Yes, that is an excellent point, thanks. closeupready May 2012 #69
My pleasure! redqueen May 2012 #72
I think it's offensive to dismiss other womens' opinions like that. DutchLiberal May 2012 #102
I find your opinion pretty judgemental of other women ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #165
When in doubt, use "Lady". (nt) Nye Bevan May 2012 #54
yuk... societal enforced rule on behavior. yuk... lol seabeyond May 2012 #60
Not sure if serious... redqueen May 2012 #65
I never complain about being referred to as a "gentleman", Nye Bevan May 2012 #80
Ah, but 'gentlemen' were never property. redqueen May 2012 #85
These rules can be confusing.... Nye Bevan May 2012 #91
They're not rules. redqueen May 2012 #95
In all seriousness, are you saying the word "lady" is some sort of insult? zappaman May 2012 #100
Not at all. redqueen May 2012 #105
not an insult, but not a compliment either. Scout May 2012 #148
Nothing ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #162
"The woman in red, is dancing with me, cheek to cheek..." Nye Bevan May 2012 #176
Nothing wrong with the word "lady" zappaman May 2012 #188
That's disgraceful. She should refer to her boobies as "the women". Nye Bevan May 2012 #197
Ha! zappaman May 2012 #201
The word "boobies" clearly belittles breasts. DutchLiberal May 2012 #205
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #252
it's all about context noiretextatique May 2012 #442
Oh, you better believe "lady" can be offensive as hell TorchTheWitch May 2012 #410
i just posted about "lady" noiretextatique May 2012 #444
Actually, they're very simple, if you just keep two things in mind: DutchLiberal May 2012 #108
no thankyou. Whisp May 2012 #101
Uh oh......re-education time. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #155
Cue the bad rock song... Quantess May 2012 #282
I don't mind at all so long as the guys don't mind being called "boys" - lynne May 2012 #57
You'd never here me object. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #156
I have a friend in her 30's who still says "I met a boy!!!" and I think it's endearing Quixote1818 May 2012 #382
What a misandrist! DutchLiberal May 2012 #391
I picked B. woo me with science May 2012 #58
"might sometimes be offensive".... Little Star May 2012 #70
Yes, context means so much... redqueen May 2012 #83
Girls I don't mind abolugi May 2012 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #81
Yes, the context of your taking offense is more personal... redqueen May 2012 #86
It's not the word, but the tone of voice, that tells you if you are being dissed Demeter May 2012 #107
Damn true ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #157
I don't care at all. DevonRex May 2012 #114
Then you must have serious self-respect issues. DutchLiberal May 2012 #117
I just decided a long time ago that DevonRex May 2012 #139
That's a healthy attitude to have! Thanks for your post. DutchLiberal May 2012 #178
Is there a feminine equivalent to the word "guy" tabbycat31 May 2012 #126
Gal. But I hate that word. Sounds too DevonRex May 2012 #135
Really? "Gal" got used a lot in all old movies ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #158
Yes, and "doll" and "broad", which we also cannot use anymore. DutchLiberal May 2012 #206
I think as long as you don't shove a grapefruit in her face...... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #258
"Guys" denotes mature males....while "girls" aren't mature women. Lars39 May 2012 #137
And this becomes a confusing issue for me. Hatchling May 2012 #151
calif i was raised with hi guys, for everyone. texas is hi yawl..... seabeyond May 2012 #153
Opposite for me. Hatchling May 2012 #164
Being born in the north, but raised in the south from about 10 onwards, Lars39 May 2012 #159
In my family frogmarch May 2012 #136
Your poll went in a direction I did not expect. LanternWaste May 2012 #138
btw... i forgot about your post in all this mess of a thread. i wanted to ask seabeyond May 2012 #291
I have a pretty high tolerance for words of all kinds Blue_In_AK May 2012 #143
No big deal. No deal at all. I actually have important things to concern myself with. WillowTree May 2012 #145
like taking the time to post to tell everyone how many more important Scout May 2012 #150
+1 Little Star May 2012 #295
I just find this to be trivial to the point of being a non-issue. YMMV. WillowTree May 2012 #303
well, then, why did you waste that valuable time to make people laugh on this thread? CTyankee May 2012 #307
I hope your day improves. WillowTree May 2012 #310
Pass. Depends on the situation eridani May 2012 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #163
seriously? lol. nt seabeyond May 2012 #171
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #335
you are a genius. you caught me copy and pasting the poster i replied to. seabeyond May 2012 #336
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #340
ah, copy and pasting is not a matter of excuses, but a reality. seabeyond May 2012 #344
seaglas, if you have read any of my posts in this thread, you would recognize that i too seabeyond May 2012 #337
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #341
i think that is what i have done. nt seabeyond May 2012 #345
That, right there, is the key, I think. DutchLiberal May 2012 #368
And that is not the worst part of that thread. DutchLiberal May 2012 #367
Yes, that was my one and only reason... redqueen May 2012 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #233
Well, since it's a public forum it's not technically 'behind their backs'... DutchLiberal May 2012 #214
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass May 2012 #232
That last thing goes without saying. DutchLiberal May 2012 #242
I suppose it depends on the situation KansDem May 2012 #169
I think people should try not to get so offended all the time lunatica May 2012 #172
If the biggest problem someone has is being called a "girl" or a "lady" Nye Bevan May 2012 #177
My Dad always had a smile on his face when he 'and the boys' (his words) were polly7 May 2012 #180
That silly rhetorical device is used way too often... redqueen May 2012 #184
Do you really think that was sneaky or subtle? redqueen May 2012 #183
yeah... lunatica May 2012 #236
No problem with it at all. nt. polly7 May 2012 #175
Funny, I just had this discussion last night with good friend who is a woman... DCBob May 2012 #181
Since we all live in the patriarchy, terms which belittle women are ubiquitous, it is true. redqueen May 2012 #186
I also forgot to mention my friend "convinced" me not to use the term anymore.. DCBob May 2012 #187
Hope you liked the comic! redqueen May 2012 #189
Yes, very good. DCBob May 2012 #192
That darn patriarchy! DutchLiberal May 2012 #217
I'm more sensitive to it because of DU ecstatic May 2012 #191
It's all about context etherealtruth May 2012 #196
I just use "you people" for everybody. I like to offend unilaterally. bluesbassman May 2012 #199
a question seabeyond May 2012 #202
"Gentleman farmer" (nt) Nye Bevan May 2012 #204
Good question. bluesbassman May 2012 #207
interesting. thanks. nt seabeyond May 2012 #211
I use "gentlemen" to open my business emails to address the multiple males on my contact list.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #219
i dont get why the attitude is necessary. i really do not. and yes seabeyond May 2012 #220
I'm sorry....what "attitude"? ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #231
as many posters have said, many of us did not realize the conditioning we have all fallen into using seabeyond May 2012 #235
Your question to the other poster specifically said "You don't use the term gentleman"..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #237
you are telling me, when you talk to the men in your office you use gentlemen and not men? seabeyond May 2012 #238
Sorry, I do, I explained the situations I use it in my OP ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #240
So, where's my nearest re-education camp to fix this seabeyond May 2012 #241
ROTFLMAO DutchLiberal May 2012 #244
The attitude that you don't agree with her. DutchLiberal May 2012 #243
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2012 #246
lol DutchLiberal May 2012 #248
you were the one that INSISTED on only THREE women on ALL of du had an issue with girls and ALL the seabeyond May 2012 #251
Hyperbole. DutchLiberal May 2012 #253
do you need a link. a quote to YOUR statement. talk about fuckin hyperbole. right in seabeyond May 2012 #254
... DutchLiberal May 2012 #260
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2012 #264
You're projecting. DutchLiberal May 2012 #268
and still... i count more than THREE. but hey, ignore it. nt seabeyond May 2012 #270
Enjoy the flamefest by yourself. This is really below my standards. DutchLiberal May 2012 #275
THREE, in the whole wide world, only THREE women prefer to be called a seabeyond May 2012 #276
Dang, Dutch. Mc Mike May 2012 #286
THANK YOU! nt redqueen May 2012 #288
Solidarity, Red. Mc Mike May 2012 #289
i am asking if i can fall in love, another woman is saying mouth dropped open seabeyond May 2012 #292
Thanks, Sea. Mc Mike May 2012 #318
Thanks for your post, I appreciate it. DutchLiberal May 2012 #298
My God. redqueen May 2012 #299
Really? The attack-mode, immediately, again? DutchLiberal May 2012 #304
I guess I should not 'try to teach my grandpa how to suck eggs', but Mc Mike May 2012 #319
Not that you asked for my opinion, redqueen May 2012 #321
If I have your o.k., will do. Mc Mike May 2012 #323
Oh you have more than my ok. redqueen May 2012 #325
Why is my 'sheer volume of posts' "angry revenge" and, for example, seabeyond's isn't? DutchLiberal May 2012 #329
That was just my impression, not meant as an indictment. Mc Mike May 2012 #358
2nd re to 298, per Red's 321 Mc Mike May 2012 #328
You're mixing up two totally different things. DutchLiberal May 2012 #331
I'm sorry you feel that way. It wasn't meant as an attack. Mc Mike May 2012 #364
Third para, fourth para Mc Mike May 2012 #330
5th para, prostitution: Mc Mike May 2012 #348
5th para, porn: Mc Mike May 2012 #350
"Porn is the nazi's way of keeping two people from love," DutchLiberal May 2012 #359
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Har har! But I strongly oppose the Birchers. Mc Mike May 2012 #365
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Para 5 - 10: Mc Mike May 2012 #357
actually.... seabeyond May 2012 #361
Thank you, sea. I lost Dutch, a couple of posts north of here. Mc Mike May 2012 #366
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Your own familiarity is extremely lacking as well, it seems. redqueen May 2012 #385
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Thanks for the welcome. Sorry if I offended you. Mc Mike May 2012 #412
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Thanks for the welcome, again. Mc Mike May 2012 #433
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I didn't pipe up until post 286. Mc Mike May 2012 #440
He was referring to Schrödinger's Rapist redqueen May 2012 #384
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #394
A "girl", was it? redqueen May 2012 #399
All right. +1. Up to speed, now. Mc Mike May 2012 #411
Refreshing to see your posts.... hlthe2b May 2012 #413
Thanks a lot, hl. Mc Mike May 2012 #424
"All black men are potential violent gang members"; "All muslims are potential terrorists" DutchLiberal May 2012 #369
I agree, and I'm so sick of seeing this here. nt. polly7 May 2012 #372
No kidding zappaman May 2012 #373
How DARE you belittle a woman's point of view? DutchLiberal May 2012 #375
You should go to the History of Feminist group if you want to get really sick. DutchLiberal May 2012 #374
You ventured into that den of nastiness? zappaman May 2012 #376
I don't think saying "balls" when you mean "courage" is appropriate on DU3 anymore. DutchLiberal May 2012 #377
Nah ..... I don't go there. polly7 May 2012 #380
Yeah, you'd think that by now, The Patriarchy would have all feminists banned from this website! DutchLiberal May 2012 #389
+ + + + n/t FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #427
You agree? redqueen May 2012 #387
She wasn't replying to that. She was replying to a female DU'er calling all men rapists. DutchLiberal May 2012 #396
Ahem. redqueen May 2012 #386
Either for ONCE, address what I write instead of spamming links or else don't bother me anymore. DutchLiberal May 2012 #388
I read that months ago, as did most other feminists, when it was being discussed. redqueen May 2012 #390
We have never discussed that before and I was never in a discussion about "all men are rapists"... DutchLiberal May 2012 #397
Another excellent and interesting post, along with the Schroedinger's post. Mc Mike May 2012 #414
Comradde PhysioProffe is great redqueen May 2012 #416
First time I've seen the site. Mc Mike May 2012 #420
"feeling very 'entitled'." taht would about sum it up and a wonderful learning example seabeyond May 2012 #421
I tried a few of those here, to see what would bounce back. Mc Mike May 2012 #425
The story of a brave, strong young woman standing up to influential powerful men: DutchLiberal May 2012 #203
So...what are you girls talking about in here? flvegan May 2012 #209
You got stones Brother. bluesbassman May 2012 #213
not really. just his MO. nt seabeyond May 2012 #216
Yep. redqueen May 2012 #223
lol seabeyond May 2012 #225
roflmao DutchLiberal May 2012 #228
After much consideration, the only place where the use of the words "girl" or "girls" bothers me... PassingFair May 2012 #210
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Just don't call me late for dinner. babylonsister May 2012 #221
In context, it's usually pretty obvious if the intent is informality or insult. LeftyMom May 2012 #222
You GO, girl! flvegan May 2012 #255
Was that part of your MO too? LeftyMom May 2012 #263
high five woman..... seabeyond May 2012 #267
I don't need a high five for joking with my boyfriend. But thanks. Or something. LeftyMom May 2012 #269
you are welcome. seabeyond May 2012 #271
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #278
I've got sunshine, on a cloudy day... DutchLiberal May 2012 #226
The Dutchman's not the kind of man.. Mc Mike May 2012 #426
A fascinating thread...I would never use the term to anyone over 14 but I'm a man....Were I female, Rowdyboy May 2012 #227
Is it sexist for me to say I'm broadminded? Bruce Wayne May 2012 #230
Should I be outraged that us guys get jokingly called "The Boys"? Odin2005 May 2012 #239
A lot depends on context varelse May 2012 #249
Just don't call me "ma'am" I hate that. jillan May 2012 #250
I feel the same way with "sir" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #256
My dad turns around and looks for his father when anybody says Mr. His Last Name. LeftyMom May 2012 #272
AS IF this was an actual problem???? BeHereNow May 2012 #283
Ah yes, one of the most common responses when feminists attempt to discuss redqueen May 2012 #285
Redqueen, HERE is an actual problem, wanna come with some of us to make a difference? BeHereNow May 2012 #297
I've never been to Pine Ridge, but have been to Rosebud and the Black Hills Mc Mike May 2012 #419
+1 hifiguy May 2012 #428
yes. womens issues are often put on the backburner, until they arent. like repug seabeyond May 2012 #429
If pandemics, natural disasters or climate change hifiguy May 2012 #430
again, man, good of you to let us women know what we should be concerned with seabeyond May 2012 #431
It really depends on the circumstances. a la izquierda May 2012 #284
I have found this to be a (mostly) very interesting discussion Seeking Serenity May 2012 #287
I'm reminded of the time Lynette Fromm (attempted assassin of Gerald Ford) Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #293
interesting.... isnt it? seabeyond May 2012 #294
Yeah, interesting that somebody was upset by the 'belittling' of an assassin. DutchLiberal May 2012 #305
123 certainly is more than THREE people, right? 123 out of 158. seems to me seabeyond May 2012 #308
So you're actually standing up for an assassin? DutchLiberal May 2012 #311
it is good to see you finally admit calling a woman a girl is belittling. i knew you would come to seabeyond May 2012 #312
... and then she says MEN are condescending toward others! DutchLiberal May 2012 #313
you go in every direction, yet still.... you refuse to own up to a couple simple words. wrong. seabeyond May 2012 #314
And this is the SECOND flame-fest you instigated that you may continue all by yourself! DutchLiberal May 2012 #315
why wont you simply acknowledge there are more than three people in all of du that disagree with you seabeyond May 2012 #316
Dutch tv news today referred to a 27 year old assassin as "the boy". DutchLiberal May 2012 #360
Well, that's Dutch Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #371
I switched to using "women" in college Nikia May 2012 #296
I find that using the terms young men and young women acknowledges the professional Luminous Animal May 2012 #352
that is what i chose. nt seabeyond May 2012 #353
A friend of mine referred to my 22 year old daughter as a "girl" and in the same sentence, Luminous Animal May 2012 #355
I am a guy, so I did not vote. ZombieHorde May 2012 #301
(I'm terrible with time) me too me too. and the more i dont care seabeyond May 2012 #302
Interesting poll. Rex May 2012 #309
I don't have a problem with the term "girl" as long as it's being used by other women. Beacool May 2012 #317
The use of this term drives me crazy. Vinca May 2012 #324
Same - it really annoys me. A subtle way of putting down women TBF May 2012 #327
There are more user names with "girl" in them in the offensive option. FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #332
In group use is vastly different. redqueen May 2012 #333
What you are saying does not bear out in this thread. FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #334
I am SO with you on this. +1000! nt. polly7 May 2012 #342
All about the individual. Society? pff. And apparently 'words have meaning' ONLY redqueen May 2012 #343
Angry? I thought this wasn't about rage. FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #351
LOL, hardly. redqueen May 2012 #354
I'm not interested in the attemps to switch out "their conditioning" for "your conditioning" FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #356
What do you think of another woman telling you that you are "conditioned" & thus should be educated? DutchLiberal May 2012 #370
Apparently i find it offensive. I also find much of what you post offensive. FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #418
why can't people grasp the difference between intragroup usage noiretextatique May 2012 #446
No, it is very simple, you're right. redqueen May 2012 #447
Exactly. lumberjack_jeff May 2012 #415
Language is how we communicate ideas noamnety May 2012 #338
It seems very simple, redqueen May 2012 #339
For me, it's context-driven and situational. Lizzie Poppet May 2012 #346
"Taking offense" at anything is something I don't care about and don't do. Waiting For Everyman May 2012 #349
Goes without saying, the only ones who should be referred as girls, are well nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #363
I usually use the term "women" but always feel like I am making them feel old when I do that Quixote1818 May 2012 #378
"I met a boy" seabeyond May 2012 #393
Blame it on the movie Oklahoma. ;) Quixote1818 May 2012 #379
Here's the t-shirt and the hat Major Nikon May 2012 #392
yes... tell me, why do you want to interfer with women discussing their feelings on an issue seabeyond May 2012 #395
Well, a woman in this thread was told by a feminist that "she had serious self-respect issues" DutchLiberal May 2012 #398
and a 139 women on this thread have said it is offensive when a man uses girl to be condescending seabeyond May 2012 #400
And you seem to be missing that over 40 women polled that it was NOT offensive FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #417
Is there more than one person referring to self worth? redqueen May 2012 #422
Last intrusion from me, red: Mc Mike May 2012 #435
There's not one. That DUer got lucky once redqueen May 2012 #436
The Women's rights post-ers that remain are doing plenty of good posting, though. Mc Mike May 2012 #437
of course i dont forget the 40 or so women that do not have an issue at all with girls. seabeyond May 2012 #423
Why do you want to tell men to just shut up? Major Nikon May 2012 #401
i asked you a question. that would be the opposite of asking you to "shut up". so no.... seabeyond May 2012 #402
You asked me why don't I just shut up Major Nikon May 2012 #404
ah hahah. "I would be admitting my intention was to interfere " and by gosh, you certainly seabeyond May 2012 #405
Ya gotta love people who double down when they've been busted cold Major Nikon May 2012 #406
maybe if men wouldnt be so predictable at doing just that, you know, that old conditioning seabeyond May 2012 #407
It's no more offensive than the term "ladies." eShirl May 2012 #409
Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team) deitzjim May 2012 #434
In a lot of ways, it's a compliment Ter May 2012 #439
It is only a compliment redqueen May 2012 #449
I remember many years ago a guy said this to me: Bryn May 2012 #443
Sounds to me like he was criticizing women who internalized the patriarchy's values. redqueen May 2012 #448
true that, but that is an interesting point. the poster above saying a compliment seabeyond May 2012 #451
btw, more and more men are getting into the poll voting they dont mind being called girl seabeyond May 2012 #452
Sad, isn't it? redqueen May 2012 #453
wink. nt seabeyond May 2012 #454
400 plus posts...let me wade into this epic poll thread. Rex May 2012 #455
Since girlfriend has an analogous term for men, redqueen May 2012 #456
I have a huge problem with the word 'boy'. Rex May 2012 #457
Oh yes, I definitely understand. redqueen May 2012 #458
I am sure you have Rex May 2012 #459
Those are very clear examples of when it is used redqueen May 2012 #460
Yes very degrading and dehumanizing. Rex May 2012 #461
very revealing discussion noiretextatique May 2012 #463
If you start watching for this kind of stuff, redqueen May 2012 #464
I'm positive most adults are fully capable of knowing when a word is being used to insult polly7 May 2012 #465
clearly, many do not "get it" at all noiretextatique May 2012 #469
golden girls? spanone May 2012 #466
#1 Decades ago. #2 That's what they called themselves. nt Honeycombe8 May 2012 #468
Call me anything you like except late for dinner.... MindMover May 2012 #467
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