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enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
44. Indeed.
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

I've never understood why we need to dance around this issue, as if we are afraid of the word abortion. Frankly, it comes down to a very simple idea. You either agree or disagree with the deliberate termination of a pregnancy.

You are either for it or against it. All of the nuance and parsing and "well, but" or "yes, until" addenda in the world are meaningless. You support abortion or you don't. Full stop.

Why and when a woman chooses to abort is irrelevant to the position someone else takes. The moment someone who claims to be "pro-choice" says that limits aren't wrong, they move to the other side of the line, whether they think so or not.

The only choice is between a woman and her medical provider. If she includes someone else in that process, that's part of her choice.

That woman's choice is not for me to decide. My only choice is to support abortion or not.

I support abortion.

Excellent post- thank you. So disheartening how many Dems waffle on this. bettyellen Apr 2015 #1
I do, too, betty. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #2
K&R. So frustrating we have to keep having this conversation. Brickbat Apr 2015 #3
I wish we'd focus more on this as a party. Our collective complacency feeds the movement to restrict PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #8
Excellent OP ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #4
You had me at #1. Zorra Apr 2015 #5
Rec! progressoid Apr 2015 #6
Excellent article. K&R cyberswede Apr 2015 #7
Applauding Novara Apr 2015 #9
Amen. And it is a timely article given some recent conversations here on DU. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #10
Absolutely Novara Apr 2015 #15
Saying "Abortion should be rare" is like saying "Root canal should be rare". eggplant Apr 2015 #49
GOOD one. We just absolutely have to STOP using the enemy's memes and messaging and framings. calimary Apr 2015 #81
condoms are much cheaper nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #11
7. I’m pro-abortion because contraceptives are imperfect, and people are too. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #14
I am pro condom because it is even more empowering arely staircase Apr 2015 #16
I, too am 100% pro-condom! But since 1 in 6 result in pregnancy, also pro-abortion. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #17
can't trust birth control, huh? arely staircase Apr 2015 #21
Um... in factual data perhaps? Are you claiming it's 100% effective? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #25
strawman nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #84
It was a bit of a rhetorical question. We both know for a fact that it is not. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #85
WTF? Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #126
There are only two ways a woman capable of enlightenment Apr 2015 #20
you sound lile an abstinance only text nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #24
Again, are you claiming that BC is 100% effective? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #26
And you make no sense at all. nt enlightenment Apr 2015 #30
One more way that's 100% effective Buzz cook Apr 2015 #129
I am also pro-condom, but condoms can fail. There HAS to be a variety of options. calimary Apr 2015 #80
typically 86 out of 100 women will get pregnant using male condoms over 10 years nashville_brook Apr 2015 #27
Thank you for your drive-by, meaningless comment. n/t eggplant Apr 2015 #43
arely started a competing thread on the topic. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #55
...and another one cyberswede Apr 2015 #88
I can't even. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #91
And another 'I'm not pro-abortion' thread: beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #120
Sigh. As the poets Anthrax would say, "Talking to some is like clapping with one hand" PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #121
Didn't there used to be a jerk-off smilie? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #122
I got pregnant using a diaphragm. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #56
Dude - they BREAK on occasion! I know, as it's happened to me! bullwinkle428 Apr 2015 #110
Highly recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #12
All true, well reasoned, and yet probably too complicated HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #13
Great Post n/t indivisibleman Apr 2015 #18
Yes. "Pro-abortion," please. It's well past time. DirkGently Apr 2015 #19
We have wait time and parental notification laws here in WI. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #22
+100000 nashville_brook Apr 2015 #28
? fabulous op cali Apr 2015 #23
Well said. enlightenment Apr 2015 #29
We need to keep saying it. Over and over. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #31
Indeed. enlightenment Apr 2015 #44
Thundering applause. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #45
Thank you, PeaceNikki. enlightenment Apr 2015 #48
BINGO!!! n/t broadcaster75201 Apr 2015 #32
I've never been reticent about saying that abortion is a positive thing. That's why Nay Apr 2015 #33
Me, too. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #34
I doubt she means it. She wants to be elected. roody Apr 2015 #50
Saying abortion should be rare is not saying choosing abortion is bad. SunSeeker Apr 2015 #53
Not to disrespect you, but I would say I am not pro-abortion. marym625 Apr 2015 #35
Anti-Abortion rebuttal lobodons Apr 2015 #36
That's not a rebuttal, that's a childish reply unworthy of further discussion. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #37
that's some offensive BS...did you think women aren't aware of what idiots think? nashville_brook Apr 2015 #64
this radical feminist believes abortion unique and ends a life, and that mothers get to make that choice zazen Apr 2015 #38
oh, ffs."Life begins at conception"? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #39
a "person is as a person does?" then many disabled/elderly don't qualify as persons zazen Apr 2015 #77
Yeah, admittedly I am a bit defensive on the issue because of the sweeping legislation restricting PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #83
Could we be "Pro-Access?" Because choice isn't enough if you can't get one. zazen Apr 2015 #82
A life, but not a person. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #94
An eloquent and rational... 3catwoman3 Apr 2015 #40
The right to abortion is meaningless without the means to get one. Please give generously. eggplant Apr 2015 #41
Thank you for the link. You're 100% correct. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #42
I used to give to Planned Parenthood, but I've shifted my donations to local Abortion Funds. eggplant Apr 2015 #47
"Was" great for providing low-cost healthcare to women... Texas has decimated them ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #57
Good for you! eggplant Apr 2015 #75
K&R!!!!!!!! Solly Mack Apr 2015 #46
I am pro anything that means freedom and empowerment ... ananda Apr 2015 #51
exactly, K/R bonzotex Apr 2015 #52
Agreed. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #54
This is why I think "rare" is important... Ino Apr 2015 #58
Um... By definition is is "birth control". It controls birth. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #59
Oh, I am so wrong. Ino Apr 2015 #105
Childbirth is *far* more invasive. eggplant Apr 2015 #101
Did you read my post? Ino Apr 2015 #106
k and r + a gazillion. thank you for sharing this excellent article. niyad Apr 2015 #60
Pro-abortion, yep that'll help the cause. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #61
Your concern has been noted. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #62
The demographics are there already Novara Apr 2015 #65
I suspect the poster to whom you replied is not among them PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #68
You are perfectly right about the you and us. I am not behind you and neither is or will be A Simple Game Apr 2015 #73
So you want to further restrict or outlaw abortions? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #76
Do you even know what pro choice means? A Simple Game Apr 2015 #92
You said, "I am anti-abortion..." PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #93
You are equating abortion with choice, that is not a true equation. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #107
Abortion is an important part of choice. If you support choice, you support abortion. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #112
Whether I choose an abortion, or you choose an abortion, or the woman down the street chooses an A Simple Game Apr 2015 #117
I don't think I have the right to control women, that's why I am pro-choice. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #99
That's what we call "soft support" and it leads to complacency while access is being restricted. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #100
The majority are already behind her! I am surprised that you did not know that. Rex Apr 2015 #70
Please provide a link, I can find no poll that shows a majority are pro-abortion. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #96
. Rex Apr 2015 #98
I see nothing on that site that confirms what you are claiming. A Simple Game Apr 2015 #102
Sorry but you cannot deny the facts on that page just to fit your agenda. Rex Apr 2015 #103
Ok, it's a long page maybe I missed it. Please tell me about where on the A Simple Game Apr 2015 #104
Self-determination used to be a hall-mark of the U.S. Lars39 Apr 2015 #78
i am WAY pro-abortion. we need to control population! i am pro darwin. pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #63
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2015 #66
I don't see how you can be one, without the other. Rex Apr 2015 #67
Me, neither, Rex. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #69
Great thread PeaceNikki! Rex Apr 2015 #72
Actually, there is such a thing as forced abortion. rgbecker Apr 2015 #86
Good point, Hillary Clinton noted that in her hearing on this: joshcryer Apr 2015 #132
I see it the same way. joshcryer Apr 2015 #131
Thanks for a great post!! hifiguy Apr 2015 #71
Pro abortion as much I am pro heart bypass surgery alphafemale Apr 2015 #74
Excellent post! If the right wing had their way, the Duggars would be all of us. Rozlee Apr 2015 #79
If the Duggars had their way, the Duggars would be all of us. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #109
Big Rec BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #87
Thank you. Six out of ten abortions are performed on women who are already mothers. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #90
Great post, I agree. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #89
Too early pregancies and life's journey yellowwoodII Apr 2015 #95
What the fuck just happened? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #97
I am ANTI-Abortion, but firmly Pro-Choice. bvar22 Apr 2015 #108
This gets a BIG recommendation from me! me b zola Apr 2015 #111
I agree. I tell people I'm pro-abortion, too. Abortion is a remedy, not a fuckin' sin. nt valerief Apr 2015 #113
Amen. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #116
Pro-Condom Nictuku Apr 2015 #114
I, too am 100% pro-condom! But since 1 in 6 result in pregnancy, also pro-abortion. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #115
I hate it when people say, " no one is pro abortion!" Lunabell Apr 2015 #118
i'm pro any medical procedure that your doctor and you decide upon spanone Apr 2015 #119
I don't need to be pro-abortion ibegurpard Apr 2015 #123
I am pro-abortion, but sometimes feel like I am also saying-- eridani Apr 2015 #124
That's a ridiculous framing. I never feel that way. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #125
I have never felt that way... this is how I feel: It should be a widely shared option ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #127
she speaks for me too.couldn't agree more. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #128
I'm pro-vasectomy. joshcryer Apr 2015 #130
+1 !!! In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #135
Snip 'em all!! PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #136
Kick. Scuba Apr 2015 #133
kick nashville_brook Apr 2015 #134
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