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Binkie The Clown

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224. "You may only be as peaceful as your neighbor allows you to be."
Sat May 9, 2015, 02:17 PM
May 2015

--Ancient Chinese Proverb

It is necessary to fight when fighting is called for, such as when Genghis Khan is storming your city in the Dark Ages, or when creationists are trying to get science thrown out of our schools.

Hold hands with Genghis Khan and you'll pull back a bloody stump.
Sing Kumbaya with fundamentalist creationists and you will be laughed at by them, as they proceed to tear down our educational institutions in spite of your singing. This is the real world, not The Good Ship Lollypop.

Part of the image problem we Democrats have is that we are perceived by our enemies (and yes, we have political enemies) as soft, mushy-headed, Kumbaya-singing pushovers. That's one reason why the Republicans win elections. We are seen as coddling terrorists and bending over on demand.

If the liberal and moderate Muslims want our help in fixing their image problem, let them make some move in that direction. I don't see any such large-scale movements from that quarter. I see them also appeasing the terrorists. So that seems to be the signal for some Democrats to come running to rescue the poor, downtrodden 1.6 billion Muslims who obviously, according to some liberals, are not competent to fix their own image problem, so they need our benevolent help. That, by the way, is racist. The white man's burden all over again. (Google "white man's burden" if your are not a student of history or poetry.)

Fuck her and the train she came on! trumad May 2015 #1
Sorry, not buying it marym625 May 2015 #2
I don't care about her, I care about freedom. Yorktown May 2015 #5
I am 100% for the right for people like her to be swine that they are marym625 May 2015 #28
For Pete's sake, forget Geller. The problem is the ban on blasphemy Yorktown May 2015 #32
You have too much in your post to ignore it marym625 May 2015 #35
No, the initial confusion due to the misleading original title is fading Yorktown May 2015 #44
Yet you target only one religion..... daleanime May 2015 #43
Refer to the original text PS: no religion is blameless Yorktown May 2015 #46
While I personally will always take the chance to mock any religion... Oktober May 2015 #75
In the same way that you do not care about her kcr May 2015 #30
did she announce or post something to inform the attendees of her hateful event notadmblnd May 2015 #53
UNREC CrawlingChaos May 2015 #3
There's nothing about her I can see or care to defend. babylonsister May 2015 #4
Again, this post says: let's forget about her. She is not the issue. Yorktown May 2015 #6
Then change your title. nt babylonsister May 2015 #7
OK, in defense of blasphemous caricatures Yorktown May 2015 #9
You gotta right to defend haters. 99Forever May 2015 #8
OK, OK, I'll change the title Yorktown May 2015 #10
Your post, your choice. 99Forever May 2015 #13
Well, de facto, you defend the censors. Yorktown May 2015 #14
Hey, if that's what you wnat to believe, enjoy. 99Forever May 2015 #49
No, no, no. There's no defense of her. kcr May 2015 #11
I changed the thread title, not the text Yorktown May 2015 #12
Okay, but the discussion has been about Pam Geller and what she did. n/t kcr May 2015 #18
only due to a misleading original title Yorktown May 2015 #20
Um. But aren't you the OP? n/t kcr May 2015 #21
The OP stands. The text is unchanged. Yorktown May 2015 #23
Ok. Then my post stands unchanged, too. kcr May 2015 #24
Well then, we disagree. I refuse stealth blasphemy laws. Yorktown May 2015 #47
Yeah, having brushed aside Geller kcr May 2015 #56
LOL. The "little beef I have with Islam" Yorktown May 2015 #58
Lets just go around insulting people and call it free speech LeftInTX May 2015 #15
Good idea... Fumesucker May 2015 #17
ideologies are not people. religious demands deserve no respect. Yorktown May 2015 #22
Muhammad can't be insulted. He's dead. Coventina May 2015 #60
If only religious types could agree with you Yorktown May 2015 #63
She insulted Muslims LeftInTX May 2015 #93
She may have insulted Muslims, but not with cartoons of Muhammad. Coventina May 2015 #94
In point of fact, one can. Have you ever read the Rude Pundit, e.g.? WinkyDink May 2015 #103
+1000 beam me up scottie May 2015 #136
It is - we have the First Amendment right to insult people treestar May 2015 #204
You must respect religion or you deserve eternal torture! Fumesucker May 2015 #16
I hope you are not suspecting me of unbelief? Yorktown May 2015 #19
Emo Philips naiils it.. Fumesucker May 2015 #25
A very 'moving' story (with a downward direction) Yorktown May 2015 #26
I am Catholic. When piss Jesus 840high May 2015 #27
Exactly the point I was trying to make Yorktown May 2015 #33
These events do not occur in a vacuum CrawlingChaos May 2015 #34
The Muslims are doing their share - I don't 840high May 2015 #39
unbelievably ignorant statement CrawlingChaos May 2015 #50
You must live in a cave if 840high May 2015 #54
I know right? And have you heard??? CrawlingChaos May 2015 #65
there is no 'muslim' anger Yorktown May 2015 #40
Well sure, what could they possibly have to be angry about? CrawlingChaos May 2015 #51
Unlike what you appear to think, 1.6Bn muslims are not an homogeneous body Yorktown May 2015 #57
the radicals are doing a lot in many countries samsingh May 2015 #45
"Where in the world are Catholics being subjected to the equivalent of what is happening to Muslims? oberliner May 2015 #68
No pockets of anti-Christian persecution can compare to Western Imperialism CrawlingChaos May 2015 #70
You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner May 2015 #72
OMG - try harder CrawlingChaos May 2015 #73
No pockets of anti-Christian persecution can compare to Western Imperialism?? Really??? Yorktown May 2015 #77
Please describe where... CrawlingChaos May 2015 #82
Under jihadi rule!!! n/t Yo_Mama May 2015 #229
Guess how many billions of Muslims have never killed anyone. nt greyl May 2015 #67
However, they subscribe to a faith... Oktober May 2015 #76
Plus the fact many muslims only know their faith second hand Yorktown May 2015 #79
Most Muslims don't either. treestar May 2015 #201
IMHO, blasphemy is not only a freedom, it is obligatory. longship May 2015 #29
Blasphemy is obligatory IF someone tries to stop you from doing it Yorktown May 2015 #36
Well, there are plenty of people trying to stop blasphemy. longship May 2015 #48
True, but you also need to look at the event in context. RandySF May 2015 #31
Forget the context, forget Geller: my point is on free speech Yorktown May 2015 #37
So posting offensive caricatures ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #106
Yes, absolutely Yorktown May 2015 #125
There is no "need" to post blasphemous caricatures. NanceGreggs May 2015 #38
Were the Charlie Hebdo people Pamela geller? Yorktown May 2015 #42
One has a right ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #52
Well, some DU'rs here support tacit blasphemy laws. Yorktown May 2015 #59
We, as a nation ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #61
We, as a nation ... Yorktown May 2015 #62
... NanceGreggs May 2015 #64
... but no cigar Yorktown May 2015 #66
Yr seething about the BBC choosing to be culturally sensitive?? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #78
I am not a nationalist Yorktown May 2015 #83
And I am not a British citizen... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #86
Fine then, you are in denial .. Yorktown May 2015 #123
Has it occurred to you that the entire world isn't obsessed with drawing fucking Mohammed? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #150
Has it occured tyo you it's a topic of the week? Yorktown May 2015 #153
So's Pam Geller, but you've been demanding people forget about her... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #156
LOL what a deft discussionist you are Yorktown May 2015 #167
So I take that as 'nope, I never posted anything condemning the sacking of that cartoonist' Violet_Crumble May 2015 #178
Well why don't you use the N word - don't you have to in order treestar May 2015 #205
the N word is directed to the nature of people, religion is not Yorktown May 2015 #232
People who want to see it can go and find it treestar May 2015 #206
"Let people find it elsewhere" is a nice cover for censorship Yorktown May 2015 #234
It's not censorship treestar May 2015 #235
What a straw man treestar May 2015 #203
"tacit laws" means unwritten rules which are enforced by fear Yorktown May 2015 #233
There is no need for any US citizen to disrespect anyone's political beliefs either oberliner May 2015 #69
One's religious beliefs ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #71
Politics and politicians are real... Oktober May 2015 #80
Whether you believe that another's deity ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #95
What is wrong with mocking folks who believe in something they've never seen... Oktober May 2015 #96
What's wrong with NOT mocking such folks? NanceGreggs May 2015 #100
Just trying to move humanity beyond the dark ages... Oktober May 2015 #108
And mocking the religious beliefs of others ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #110
Absolutely... Oktober May 2015 #111
So ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #113
Different categories... Oktober May 2015 #114
Well, you just go ahead and do that ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #116
I doubt I will see it... Oktober May 2015 #121
A thousand years from now ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #122
Hey, you're pessimistic... Oktober May 2015 #124
Hopefully, religion will be gone in one or two millenia Yorktown May 2015 #129
Yeah, that'll happen. n/t NanceGreggs May 2015 #172
Probably, and hopefully, yes. Yorktown May 2015 #177
Religion has existed since the dawn of time ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #179
Cannibalism has existed since the dawn of time.. Yorktown May 2015 #181
... NanceGreggs May 2015 #182
You could choose to do that politely treestar May 2015 #208
You claimed that scientologists are inferior to other believers. beam me up scottie May 2015 #157
Where did I say ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #164
Most athiests I know declare them all equally "unreal". PeaceNikki May 2015 #166
If only that were true.... PeaceNikki May 2015 #81
I didn't deny ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #97
It makes them fair game for criticism and mockery. PeaceNikki May 2015 #98
Religion is not something you fight ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #101
Oh bull. They politicize from the pulpit and fund issues and politicians to push their dogma. PeaceNikki May 2015 #102
Yeah, okay, whatever. NanceGreggs May 2015 #105
You just insulted scientolgists by saying they weren't part of a religion. beam me up scottie May 2015 #141
I didn't mock Scientology. NanceGreggs May 2015 #158
Is Mormonism "real"? Are there any other "not real" religions? PeaceNikki May 2015 #159
You judged all scientolgists because you met a few you didn't like. beam me up scottie May 2015 #161
Where did I say ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #162
You scolded people for mocking one religion but see nothing wrong with what you said? beam me up scottie May 2015 #169
If you think that's EXACTLY what Pammy Geller does you don't much much about Geller... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #163
I don't see much difference between her and other bigots. beam me up scottie May 2015 #168
Not every single religious person feels exactly the same treestar May 2015 #210
You must think I'm an idiot. As an athiest, I'm a minority. I know lots of religious people. PeaceNikki May 2015 #212
Your prior post did seem to apply a very broad brush treestar May 2015 #213
Who said anything about "refusing to speak or associate with" them"? PeaceNikki May 2015 #214
Well then I take that back treestar May 2015 #217
By the way, have you seen the laws being passed regarding reproductive choice? PeaceNikki May 2015 #215
Do you have to take everything at its most possible worst intent treestar May 2015 #218
"Nasty"? "Attack"? What the fuck? PeaceNikki May 2015 #220
geez I am on the same fucking side as you are treestar May 2015 #221
Are you completely unaware of the legislation restricting access to abortion? PeaceNikki May 2015 #223
Of course they read DU, PeaceNikki. beam me up scottie May 2015 #225
If we'd just stop being so hysterical we could see that Jesus only gives us what we can handle. PeaceNikki May 2015 #226
We should trust the religious to stop themselves from oppressing us. beam me up scottie May 2015 #227
Yes, you are right. Yo_Mama May 2015 #230
We are only guaranteed we will not be arrested and prosecuted for a crime treestar May 2015 #207
There are no blasphemy laws in the United States treestar May 2015 #202
you make good points samsingh May 2015 #41
Unrec obnoxiousdrunk May 2015 #55
America - the land where people NEED to draw Mohammed... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #74
Do not make a post like this ever again oberliner May 2015 #85
I'd make it my sig line, but it maxxed out the word limit n/t Violet_Crumble May 2015 #87
Or what? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #117
Extremist Americans have been known to do some crazy things oberliner May 2015 #119
From your post, it seems like you were the person who felt incited. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #120
Yeah, I'm interested in being filled in on these consequences... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #185
The people who want to prevent speech they don't like scare me more DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #222
The poster IMO was trying to make the point treestar May 2015 #209
I'm a failure as an American. NuclearDem May 2015 #88
Ever made fun of George W Bush? oberliner May 2015 #89
Yeah, but it's just not the same. NuclearDem May 2015 #90
All the time. What's that got to do with insulting minority groups? n/t Violet_Crumble May 2015 #91
I find your attitude insulting to muslims Yorktown May 2015 #127
American Muslims would be offended that I see them as a minority group? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #146
You live in dreamland Yorktown May 2015 #152
Yr not doing too well on the answering questions thing... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #160
Right. Perfect. Protect me then. I'm in the Moloch believing minority. Yorktown May 2015 #165
You do like trying to dictate what people can and can't discuss... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #171
I just try to stay on topic Yorktown May 2015 #175
No, you don't. Yr all over the shop... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #180
Again, you're dancing against the totem pole Yorktown May 2015 #184
Sorry, wrong on all counts... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #188
Nope, I'm dead on target Yorktown May 2015 #189
Maybe off in that dreamland place you spoke of, but not here... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #191
You are in denial or deluded Yorktown May 2015 #193
No I'm not. That post did NOT say you shouldn't 'mock' minorities... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #194
Do tell me what you think your post was saying Yorktown May 2015 #195
Click on it. Then click on the link to the post I was replying to... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #196
Crikey, you sure love going in circles. And you wrote a gem. Yorktown May 2015 #197
Fair lick of the lino, cobber! Violet_Crumble May 2015 #198
1.6 billion people is NOT a minority group. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #128
They are a minority group in the US.... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #143
So, as an atheist, I truly AM a minorty, so Binkie The Clown May 2015 #145
Do you have a tendency to ask really bizarre and random questions? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #148
Is being a minority a free pass? will you protect Moloch? Yorktown May 2015 #154
A free pass from what exactly? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #155
Why are you discriminating against Moloch? Yorktown May 2015 #170
I'll try asking again. What do you think people are getting a 'free pass' from? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #173
Making death threats against people not bound by their laws. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #190
Yr confusing me with someone else. I never said making death threats was okay... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #192
Religion doesn't deserve any extra respect or special rules. Oneironaut May 2015 #84
Damn! So many people have taken you to task here. cbayer May 2015 #92
There is no "need" to post such images. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #99
TWO incorrect words: "need" AND "blasphemous." There is no "need," and "blasphemous" is relative. WinkyDink May 2015 #104
What a marvelous idea!! guillaumeb May 2015 #107
What Geller did is no different than what Westboro Baptists and the KKK do. beam me up scottie May 2015 #133
she provoked, knowing well that violence might happen. guillaumeb May 2015 #138
How is her provocation any different? beam me up scottie May 2015 #142
So radicals threatening violence win Yorktown May 2015 #187
In a free society, the problem is not Geller but those who will respond with violence. Yo_Mama May 2015 #231
Mockery will force reform. Your attitude is patronizing of muslims. Yorktown May 2015 #135
calling names leads to dialogue? guillaumeb May 2015 #149
And you are perfectly within your rights... 99Forever May 2015 #109
Riiiiight. And Voltaire was a stupid man. Yorktown May 2015 #147
News flash pal. 99Forever May 2015 #199
How about voluntarily not mocking others' beliefs because you aren't an asshole? 6000eliot May 2015 #112
How about recognizing there are sick fucks using religious texts to abuse women and minorities? seveneyes May 2015 #118
Beliefs are either right or wrong Yorktown May 2015 #130
Keep telling yourself that the actions of the Yahoos in Texas was non-violent in intent. 6000eliot May 2015 #151
I still support the First Amendment. I support it for Nazis, and for Pamela Gellar. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #115
I stand with the ACLU. beam me up scottie May 2015 #131
The replies to this thread show clearly that some people Binkie The Clown May 2015 #126
Amen, brother Yorktown May 2015 #132
Man the parapets! okasha May 2015 #134
Are you mocking me? Binkie The Clown May 2015 #137
Don't cry, Binkie. Yorktown May 2015 #140
NO! Hoist the white flag of cartooning Yorktown May 2015 #139
Pick one: I will not mock Mohammed because... Binkie The Clown May 2015 #144
How is drawing Mohamed fighting this danger? treestar May 2015 #211
How is cowering and saying, "yes sir, Mr. Terrorist. We'll do whatever you say" Binkie The Clown May 2015 #216
BTW I always wanted to ask people treestar May 2015 #219
"You may only be as peaceful as your neighbor allows you to be." Binkie The Clown May 2015 #224
Imagine all the popular culture horror movies with pentagrams and covens.... Marrah_G May 2015 #174
What do you believe in? Yorktown May 2015 #176
I believe in not harming others if they offend me :) Marrah_G May 2015 #183
You believe in not harming others if they offend you?? Shame on you. Yorktown May 2015 #186
I don't always blaspheme, but when I do... aka-chmeee May 2015 #200
WELL SAID: "Mrs Geller is the nasty knight of a just cause." Yo_Mama May 2015 #228
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