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Yorktown

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279. Right now, try having a critical dialogue about Islam in Pakistan.
Mon May 11, 2015, 09:34 PM
May 2015

It's just impossible. And it will get worse before things can be mended one day.

Today, Pakistan is one ideological time bomb barrelling downhill.

And the petromonarchies carry on their suicidal schizophrenia:

fight ISIS and the Houthi, but fund Boko Haram and the Shebab..

WTF is this? It is protected speech! CaliforniaPeggy May 2015 #1
yeah, that is my take, too. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #4
If your all-powerful supreme being gets his feewings hurt by what I say NightWatcher May 2015 #2
It has nothing to do with ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #16
Oh hey, I'm still waiting for the official list of "Religions Deemed "not real" by Nance". PeaceNikki May 2015 #17
If you believe that Scientology is a religion ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #22
Maybe because PeaceNikki is tired of the hypocrisy? beam me up scottie May 2015 #23
I don't consider Scientologists ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #26
Yes, we know all about your belief that scientologists aren't "real" religious folks. beam me up scottie May 2015 #30
Check out ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #42
Yes, but we're discussing your need to question only one group of religious folks. beam me up scottie May 2015 #44
I didn't "question" Scientology. NanceGreggs May 2015 #49
You claimed their religion isn't real when they obviously think it is - that's offensive. beam me up scottie May 2015 #51
Do you stalk everyone on DU? NanceGreggs May 2015 #61
LMAO! You're stalking me, Nance! beam me up scottie May 2015 #62
If you think respecting others ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #70
Do you respect Darth Cheney, Nance? How about lil boots Bush? beam me up scottie May 2015 #71
Conflating religious beliefs ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #76
No, it's not stupid at all. We should be able to criticize and mock any harmful ideology. beam me up scottie May 2015 #78
You are free to do as you please. NanceGreggs May 2015 #98
I don't need your permission, although giving it seems to be "what gets you off". beam me up scottie May 2015 #100
Sang it , sister! PeaceNikki May 2015 #102
Way down upon the swaaaaaaaaneeeeeeee riverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... beam me up scottie May 2015 #122
As I said ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #104
Why do you care so much how and why I get off? beam me up scottie May 2015 #111
I don't care what gets you off. NanceGreggs May 2015 #115
Then why do you keep bringing it up? beam me up scottie May 2015 #117
We should all mock/question the beliefs of Scientology. NCTraveler May 2015 #251
Why would you want to mock only one kind of religious belief? beam me up scottie May 2015 #257
What's your definition of "religion"? Is it possible it's subjective and impervious to your scorn? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #31
The better question would be ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #33
Which leaves the question I asked you open and unanswered. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #53
Deal with it. n/t NanceGreggs May 2015 #146
God DAMN that hurts... it's gonna leave a mmmmmmark. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #157
Boy did you avoid that question tkmorris May 2015 #142
Exactly what led you to think ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #144
Simple: Claiming that something ISN'T what someone else claims it IS. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #158
I don't consider Scientologists to be "religious people". AlbertCat May 2015 #186
Well, talk about false equivalencies ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #190
Looks like you pissed a Sino off. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #252
You're saying I'm a scientologist? beam me up scottie May 2015 #258
I was made to believe that you were an Operating Thetan IV. Why the fuck were you auditing me? PeaceNikki May 2015 #266
The Evil Atheist Vermin Conspiracy's home office sent me out to investigate you. beam me up scottie May 2015 #267
Shit, they must be the ones who called my mom!!! PeaceNikki May 2015 #268
That's great! beam me up scottie May 2015 #269
I believe they are all equally bullshit peddled by hucksters. PeaceNikki May 2015 #24
I never said Scientology is "not real". NanceGreggs May 2015 #32
Damn, Nance. I believe you've done been swarmed! 11 Bravo May 2015 #48
Hey, old friend! NanceGreggs May 2015 #52
+1,000! nt MADem May 2015 #103
Well, at least people aren't launching personal attacks at Nance Chathamization May 2015 #114
Let's take a look at Saint Nance's posts, then: beam me up scottie May 2015 #120
She seems like a nice lady tkmorris May 2015 #143
*sol* beam me up scottie May 2015 #147
This is who I hear. PeaceNikki May 2015 #149
Oh Jeebus Cripes, their names are even similar. beam me up scottie May 2015 #150
And that's only in this thread. There's heaps more peppered round DU... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #288
:D beam me up scottie May 2015 #289
Here's something you might have missed today... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #290
:o PeaceNikki May 2015 #293
You just made my day! beam me up scottie May 2015 #294
Imagine if one of us were to question the beliefs of muslims and claim their religion isn't "real". beam me up scottie May 2015 #34
I suspect maybe she's not a "Real Athiest™" PeaceNikki May 2015 #39
I do believe you're right. beam me up scottie May 2015 #43
Not all of them. I followed the Church of bluejuice until its sad demise last year... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #221
It's about the 1A, and there's no gray area, period. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #28
Nobody has the right to not be offended. backscatter712 May 2015 #37
It's not a matter of ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #46
Do you scold people who mock Republicans too? beam me up scottie May 2015 #50
Well, as we all know ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #94
You feel like you're at FreeRepublic because you're protecting religion from its victims. beam me up scottie May 2015 #97
I am an atheist. NanceGreggs May 2015 #101
The religious have well funded, hugely successful, coordinated attacks against MY fucking PeaceNikki May 2015 #106
So fight the infringers ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #112
Will do!! And you keep on wagging that finger thinking you're some moral arbiter. PeaceNikki May 2015 #116
And you keep pretending ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #123
Challenging misogyny and homophobia is moral. PeaceNikki May 2015 #125
Defending that ideology because it's religion is unconscionable. beam me up scottie May 2015 #130
We're being called intolerant for disrespecting religion and SHE feels like she's on FreeRepublic? beam me up scottie May 2015 #129
If I call my beliefs "sacred" will she respect them? PeaceNikki May 2015 #131
She'd say your beliefs weren't as worthy of respect as a "real" religion. beam me up scottie May 2015 #133
So in other words ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #226
No, Nance, telling folks to respect bigoted religious beliefs is a Republican thang. beam me up scottie May 2015 #227
Nowhere have I told anyone ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #229
"everyone who has a religious faith should be free from being "mocked" beam me up scottie May 2015 #230
And it's the end result of your flailing around trying to paint me as the one in the wrong. AlbertCat May 2015 #236
Nance only wants people to criticize one group of religious believers. beam me up scottie May 2015 #261
Do you not understand the difference ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #240
So mocking religion is the same thing as calling people "disgusting fatties"? beam me up scottie May 2015 #259
One more time ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #263
Keep hurling those straw men! Who said people are idiots for practicing their religion? beam me up scottie May 2015 #264
Well any real atheist can see you're just being hysterical. beam me up scottie May 2015 #113
Why should we tolerate hateful religious beliefs? beam me up scottie May 2015 #107
Why does religion get a Magical Superimpermeable Protective Holy Bubble? Arugula Latte May 2015 #179
Ikr? Why should women and lgbt people respect people who treat us like we're second class citizens? beam me up scottie May 2015 #188
Please provide a link ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #191
Your need to protect the feelings of believers in misogynistic and homophobic sects is a bit strange Arugula Latte May 2015 #207
And your need to mischaracterize ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #213
Your need to protect religions is strange Yorktown May 2015 #219
I don't protect religions. NanceGreggs May 2015 #225
Religions are harmful ideologies Yorktown May 2015 #228
Riiiight -- I'm not a progressive because I think we should be free to criticize & satirize Arugula Latte May 2015 #242
For the zillionth time ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #243
If someone says "women are inferior because they came from Adam's rib" I am not Arugula Latte May 2015 #244
Who said you had to respect ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #245
So in my example it is disrespectful of me to call out someone who says women are inferior Arugula Latte May 2015 #246
First of all ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #248
"adherence to religious beliefs is EXACTLY the same as adhering to political beliefs" Warren Stupidity May 2015 #235
Why is it decent to not offend people demanding to inflict their superstition on me? backscatter712 May 2015 #59
"I'm an atheist. I offend simply by existing." LostOne4Ever May 2015 #63
Well, you just go with that then. NanceGreggs May 2015 #68
Mockery of dumb ideas is natural and healthy. Yorktown May 2015 #220
So any belief to you is sacred? Roman gods? Aztecs? nt Logical May 2015 #67
When others hold religious beliefs to be sacred ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #72
LOL, so you are OK with people using religion to attack gays? Wow, you are fucking clueless.... Logical May 2015 #81
So you're okay with ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #95
You look silly on this topic. And refuse to address the direct question. Do you have an issue.... Logical May 2015 #99
This discussion ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #128
Simple question for you Nance , can I disrespect a religious belief.... Logical May 2015 #134
The pope just sent out priests to forgive women for having abortions. beam me up scottie May 2015 #139
Their "sacred beliefs" include interfering with the autonomy of women and LGBT PeaceNikki May 2015 #83
She is so clueless! +1000 for your post. nt Logical May 2015 #84
RESPECT THEM FOR THEIR SACREDNESS, LOGICAL!!!!!! PeaceNikki May 2015 #86
,+1 840high May 2015 #88
+1,000,000 beam me up scottie May 2015 #91
Why should someone else's HATEFUL beliefs about others be respected? beam me up scottie May 2015 #93
I'm waiting for a reason I should care... Oktober May 2015 #138
I don't think you have grasped the concept ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #148
Thought you were discussing... Oktober May 2015 #151
I am not the least bit "testy". NanceGreggs May 2015 #160
Then why get rude? I think you realize you looked terrible in this post. nt Logical May 2015 #172
OMG!!! NanceGreggs May 2015 #204
LOL, taking an ass kicking in this thread has made you grumpy! Nap time!! nt Logical May 2015 #171
Poor Logical ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #187
You really believe that? beam me up scottie May 2015 #192
Mocking people who thinks all gays go to hell is 100% ok, maybe you agree with the religion?? nt Logical May 2015 #194
Have you bothered to check out ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #200
say you are saying the holy books of the abrahamic faiths are "beyond ludicrous"? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #233
So what if they're offended? alarimer May 2015 #274
And no one *needs* to be offensive ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #276
"leave those who adhere to a religious faith should be free to do so without ridicule" Oktober May 2015 #286
Blasphemy is a victimless crime. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #3
I used to have that bumper sticker. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #5
Not just no, hell no! nt haikugal May 2015 #6
"a Deity" implies there are more than one Major Nikon May 2015 #7
I dont even have time to insult the dainty doilies my doggie does doo-doo on. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #8
Absolutely it should be allowed. And some deities deserve to be insulted anyways. Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #9
Zeus has persistent foot odor. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #11
And Thor is always leaving Mjolnir on the toilet! backscatter712 May 2015 #79
Don't try to lift the hammer, lift the seat. TheKentuckian May 2015 #181
Insulting deities is a civic obligation. True Blue Door May 2015 #10
You are GOD DAMN right it should be legal!!! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!!(nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #12
by Jove, I think you've got it. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #13
I was just going to say that some people I know would have little to say, in that case. libdem4life May 2015 #35
... on a cracker. Arugula Latte May 2015 #178
Waiting for the but-heads to show up. beam me up scottie May 2015 #14
Lol @ but-heads PeaceNikki May 2015 #15
Like ringing a dinner bell. beam me up scottie May 2015 #45
I wouldn't do it but.. KinMd May 2015 #18
Is there anyone here ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #19
Looking at the results of the poll, the answer to that question seems to be "no." Chathamization May 2015 #118
Yeah, it's "Strawman Underground" now. NanceGreggs May 2015 #119
I suppose it's easier than actually addressing an opponents arguments Chathamization May 2015 #162
Depends on which Deity... ileus May 2015 #20
Nope, and after observing Southern Baptists for the last 35 years or so, Lars39 May 2015 #21
They have equal ambiguity about the definition of "sin", as well. Lots of "depends". libdem4life May 2015 #36
No. (Except, of course, for the Flying Spaghetti Monster) Binkie The Clown May 2015 #25
You can't lock people up just for something they say... Salviati May 2015 #27
Hell no and I say that as a believing Christian. hrmjustin May 2015 #29
this is a joke, right? niyad May 2015 #38
NO! But there SHOULD BE some way to insert a little logic into some brains. napi21 May 2015 #40
What about Republicans? oberliner May 2015 #183
You don't have to even try to icite a Pubbie! napi21 May 2015 #195
If you can prove any deities exist, I will consider the question. nt Rex May 2015 #41
Has anyone proposed that? rug May 2015 #47
However ann--- May 2015 #54
So blasphemy should only be legal if it doesn't provoke people to violence? beam me up scottie May 2015 #56
Gives ISIS a heckler's veto. backscatter712 May 2015 #73
Yep, and if they do act out it's on them. beam me up scottie May 2015 #77
Oh for fucks sake. backscatter712 May 2015 #64
GASP! beam me up scottie May 2015 #66
So cartoon contests involving Moses and Mohammad are okay? Dr. Strange May 2015 #74
|:-} beam me up scottie May 2015 #80
The fuck, you say. X_Digger May 2015 #90
No it should not, and it's stupid to even suggest it. nt Codeine May 2015 #164
It is creating a public nuisance. HubertHeaver May 2015 #182
If i burn down a CVS because you mocked my belief in Leprechauns, are YOU the guilty one? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #254
No, it shouldn't be against the law DawgHouse May 2015 #55
I'd never insult any diety. BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #57
My newest discovered way to insult Islam... backscatter712 May 2015 #58
Hell yes! It's Yahwey or the highway! DanTex May 2015 #60
It shouldn't be illegal, but Blue_In_AK May 2015 #65
I, personally, wouldn't do it Terra Alta May 2015 #69
It should be required. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #75
Fuck no. PeteSelman May 2015 #82
Most forms of dirt stupid hatred are quite legal. 99Forever May 2015 #85
I keep reading in that supposedly magic book that gay sex insults a deity. backscatter712 May 2015 #87
Also women who are not submissive. PeaceNikki May 2015 #89
Ever eat shellfish or pork? Wear blended fabrics? backscatter712 May 2015 #92
Injecting a little levity here ... Arugula Latte May 2015 #287
156 to 1 BainsBane May 2015 #96
DU needs to follow Oklahoma and place a ban on Sharia Law ASAP Chathamization May 2015 #126
No, most people don't. Most people understand the 1st Amendment. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #135
One person said it should be illegal. beam me up scottie May 2015 #140
and other people have been making the same argument. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #141
Well the 1st Amendment isn't important to some people. beam me up scottie May 2015 #144
No, incitement of violence BainsBane May 2015 #282
The poor Spaghetti Monster would be sauced. Historic NY May 2015 #105
You disrepected my god. I kill you. Yorktown May 2015 #154
No. They are all equally non-existent. truebrit71 May 2015 #108
Is there a competition on DU among atheists guillaumeb May 2015 #109
It's a simple question. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #136
It is a simplisitc question. guillaumeb May 2015 #165
Well, i happen to think the 1st Amendment is pretty fucking important. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #176
I agree that the First Amendment is crucial. eom guillaumeb May 2015 #196
Indispensable. At the same time we can say we will do almost anything including risk NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #255
Any ideology can be criticized. And mockery is a good tool to expose the silliness of religions. Yorktown May 2015 #155
You are undoubtedly correct. guillaumeb May 2015 #166
The entire purpose of this site is to "mock other people's beliefs". PeaceNikki May 2015 #168
Understood. guillaumeb May 2015 #169
But but but, nothing. PeaceNikki May 2015 #170
I understand your point. guillaumeb May 2015 #197
We need less religion in secular society and in politics. PeaceNikki May 2015 #199
I believe in the absolute separation of church and state. guillaumeb May 2015 #201
Anger is a powerful, scary emotion Lordquinton May 2015 #231
Anger, like acid, can as easily harm the user. guillaumeb May 2015 #247
If an adult phil89 May 2015 #177
Satire is effective. Yorktown May 2015 #214
Satire IS effective. guillaumeb May 2015 #253
Religion is powerful Yorktown May 2015 #277
Dialogue is also a good way. But extremists and ideologues guillaumeb May 2015 #278
Right now, try having a critical dialogue about Islam in Pakistan. Yorktown May 2015 #279
And no one in the US government can give a rational explanation for our actions. guillaumeb May 2015 #280
Do not underestimate the needs of the Caliphal Empire Yorktown May 2015 #284
religion is often linked to patriotism. guillaumeb May 2015 #291
Very true. Religion displays clear parasitic features. Yorktown May 2015 #300
"the silliest reason to insult religion?" beam me up scottie May 2015 #159
see my post #166 eom guillaumeb May 2015 #167
I don't want to have a conversation with christian bigots. beam me up scottie May 2015 #185
So you can never find anything to agree on with Christians? guillaumeb May 2015 #198
No I don't know any christians. beam me up scottie May 2015 #203
I have never lived in the Bible Belt. I live near Chicago now. guillaumeb May 2015 #208
I moved here from Vermont. beam me up scottie May 2015 #209
you went from Bernie Sanders to the Bible belt? guillaumeb May 2015 #210
Oh yeah. beam me up scottie May 2015 #212
She is back in Illinois. guillaumeb May 2015 #215
Country music is an incestuous industry that censors non-conformists. beam me up scottie May 2015 #217
Thanks for the sentiment. Also glad she is back here. guillaumeb May 2015 #222
I'm forced to deal with country music because of where I live. beam me up scottie May 2015 #223
we did not listen to US style country music at home. guillaumeb May 2015 #224
It deserves much of it's criticism I feel Lordquinton May 2015 #232
Side stepping the issue? Yes, a time out, so to speak. guillaumeb May 2015 #250
it is religions that produce the silliness we mock, and they do that in an astounding abundance. nt. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #234
It should be against the law to post ignorant push polls on DU. U4ikLefty May 2015 #110
Cyborgs don't sweat, Jacko. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #137
30 seconds would seem like a week. A week would seem like an eternity. eom guillaumeb May 2015 #202
Considering all the havoc deities are alleged to have done... Kalidurga May 2015 #121
It's all Zeus's fault Art_from_Ark May 2015 #124
"Only the road that is no road is long enough to go nowhere."--eridani-san, honored Duer. panader0 May 2015 #127
No. ismnotwasm May 2015 #132
Not only no but HELL, NO!!! hobbit709 May 2015 #152
There's a difference between legal and socially unacceptable. n/t Calista241 May 2015 #153
Insulting a diety is not socially unacceptable. It's part and parcel of our culture Bluenorthwest May 2015 #161
nope Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #156
On the other hand.. sendero May 2015 #163
:/ Go Vols May 2015 #173
No. If the deity is offended it can do its own smiting (n/t) Retrograde May 2015 #174
One would think, right? Warren DeMontague May 2015 #175
Of course not. That's completey stupid. Iggo May 2015 #180
No (nt) bigwillq May 2015 #184
What an absurd question! bobjacksonk2832 May 2015 #189
Yeah, isn't it? Until recently, I wouldn't have thought to even ask it, not here. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #193
I think clumsy mocking that's lacking in humour should be illegal... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #205
256-1 is still considered 100% Renew Deal May 2015 #206
Alles, was nicht pflicht ist, ist verboten. rogerashton May 2015 #211
Jesusfuckingchrist...No! Tom Ripley May 2015 #216
Odd's Bodkin, Christ on a crutch, and by the Prophet's beard, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #218
Good thing we cleared that up. el_bryanto May 2015 #237
I'm sure we'll get the "I'm sorry my accusations turned out to be BS" post any day now... N/T Chathamization May 2015 #275
This message was self-deleted by its author Hiraeth May 2015 #238
Hasa Diga Eebowai! (show tune reference) LeftinOH May 2015 #239
Insulting an imaginary being a crime? we can do it May 2015 #241
Just wanted to give BlueJazz a little company. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #249
I was wondering about that. KamaAina May 2015 #271
Heh. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #281
No. That's just fucking stupid. PoutrageFatigue May 2015 #256
Note to the two Yes voters: We can see you. KamaAina May 2015 #260
It seems you actually didn't see them. Chathamization May 2015 #270
No doubt, we're all all entitled to illustrate our character via valid satire... LanternWaste May 2015 #262
Hey, anything to counter the simplistic & omnipresent scolding and villifying of Arugula Latte May 2015 #285
While still others have been told no assistance because they were born on the wrong side of an imagi LanternWaste May 2015 #296
No, fictional supreme sky beings and their superstitious stories need insulting Matrosov May 2015 #265
I can think of no legal basis under which such speech could be criminalized. n/t malthaussen May 2015 #272
You mean insulting like this...? countryjake May 2015 #273
Jesus Christ is ACTUALLY on a trailer hitch. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #283
Is Tom Brady considered a Deity? FSogol May 2015 #292
Your creeping sharia is noted Capt. Obvious May 2015 #295
Oh, I'm sure Santorum would be on board. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #297
Yes nearly a percent of DU for example. Shocking. nt el_bryanto May 2015 #298
The people who had lists of decades-old scotus decisions to rationalize their arguments that Warren DeMontague May 2015 #299
One man's sharia law Capt. Obvious May 2015 #301
I don't see "Sharia Law" as a real threat in the US. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #302
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