I'm no pacifist--I'd fight any invader of American soil, for example-- (Reply #89)

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Fri May 15, 2015, 03:39 PM

89. I'm no pacifist--I'd fight any invader of American soil, for example--

but I opposed the invasion of Afghanistan then & oppose it still.

And I would never say Iraq was "a stupid fucking war." Rather, it was a highly successful war that transferred a couple of trillion dollars from the undeserving populace of America to where it belonged, in the treasuries of the super-wealthy. And it damn well succeeded in keeping cheap Iraqi oil off the market, which was one of Cheney's main objectives.

It was instead one of the greatest crimes against humanity of the new century. So no. It wasn't stupid. It was evil. Evil on the Pol Pot scale.

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Bernie Sanders' Troubling History of Supporting US Military Violence Abroad [View all]	ellenrr	May 2015	OP
Oh my!	leftofcool	May 2015	#1
how do you know it's all true?	cali	May 2015	#3
I honestly don't know or remember enough about Kososvo	cali	May 2015	#2
After calling out so many people on adoration and worship of Obama or Hillary	treestar	May 2015	#36
wow. could you possibly be LESS honest here? I clearly am criticizing him	cali	May 2015	#40
Hillary has lowlife people like Ray McGovern arrested	Jackpine Radical	May 2015	#66
I'm getting weary of the bold faced lies.	cali	May 2015	#69
Ya gotta be an idiot (or a Republican--but I repeat myself)	Jackpine Radical	May 2015	#70
Ray Mcgovern is a lowlife? n/t	Peregrine Took	May 2015	#83
Sarcasm is not obvious?	Jackpine Radical	May 2015	#86
Hells yeah. +a million	Number23	May 2015	#103
It was a genocide happening	imnew	May 2015	#98
Our son was there also, this was a necessary operation, for sure.	randys1	May 2015	#101
The Bosnian Serbs were engaged in genocide	BainsBane	May 2015	#4
Plus 1000	JustAnotherGen	May 2015	#11
I read this as nothing more than a hit piece on Sanders...	Javaman	May 2015	#46
+1	Go Vols	May 2015	#49
Javaman - I'm totally not an	JustAnotherGen	May 2015	#61
+2000	pinboy3niner	May 2015	#14
But when it's Obama or someone else	treestar	May 2015	#37
Jan. 20, 2017 is going to be a sad sad day for you.	Autumn	May 2015	#44
No it's not.	treestar	May 2015	#53
Yes it will. I was a Hillary supporter till the very end, the proudest day in my life	Autumn	May 2015	#57
Yes. There are pacifists on DU.	ieoeja	May 2015	#79
I'm no pacifist--I'd fight any invader of American soil, for example--	Jackpine Radical	May 2015	#89
Most DUers correctly predicted it would create sectarian strife in Iraq.	ieoeja	May 2015	#93
It don't matter nun wot dem furriners think. We're speshl.	Jackpine Radical	May 2015	#94
Obama ran on escalating the war in Afghanistan	BainsBane	May 2015	#99
What I continue to observe	TM99	May 2015	#5
Yes, absolutely. (nt)	Jackpine Radical	May 2015	#68
"The belief is somehow that progressives are equal to purists." They fall for their own propaganda.	ieoeja	May 2015	#87
Here is a 100% deception.	Bonobo	May 2015	#6
yeah, it's a flat out lie.	cali	May 2015	#7
alternet - crappy slams against both Hillary and Sanders	OKNancy	May 2015	#8
I remain a staunch Hillary supporter.	BlueMTexpat	May 2015	#9
Plus 1000	JustAnotherGen	May 2015	#12
Same here. I like them both.	lovemydog	May 2015	#25
Another +100. What's most interesting about this thread is watching Bernie's most avid "supporters"	Number23	May 2015	#104
This.	Agschmid	May 2015	#31
Yeah, that article stunk of CounterPunch bullshit.	NuclearDem	May 2015	#45
I happen to agree with each of his actions.	wyldwolf	May 2015	#10
Agreed on all counts. No criticism re: Sanders from me on those items	stevenleser	May 2015	#51
I would bet his supporters also agree with wyldwolf.	ieoeja	May 2015	#90
I disagree with him on Israel.	Jackpine Radical	May 2015	#92
+1	leftofcool	May 2015	#80
And how does this compare to Hillary Clinton? Oops! nt	Romulox	May 2015	#13
Looks like they're about even	ucrdem	May 2015	#15
Not hardly. You're pretending to forget Senator Clinton's shameful AUMF vote. nt	Romulox	May 2015	#16
Distinction without a difference.	ucrdem	May 2015	#19
If that's all hes got,	Go Vols	May 2015	#50
hardly all of it either.	cali	May 2015	#20
Evidently Bernie voted for Bill Clinton's little wars.	ucrdem	May 2015	#21
sorry, it's just embarrassing watching you push this lame line	cali	May 2015	#24
He votes the way I'd expect a Vermont independent to vote.	ucrdem	May 2015	#26
lol you really aren't very good at this whole discussion/debate thing	cali	May 2015	#29
Actually I'm a Democrat kind of person and would prefer to avoid a disaster on Nov. 8 2016. nt	ucrdem	May 2015	#32
sure you are. uh huh. yeppers.	cali	May 2015	#34
I am, thanks. I suppose I should ask you the same question?	ucrdem	May 2015	#35
Odd characterization.	kenfrequed	May 2015	#30
I think it may be a (feeble) attempt to slam me	cali	May 2015	#33
Sanders might be honorable but the campaign he's running isn't	ucrdem	May 2015	#41
stop inventing shit. I've posted PROOF that the TPP negotiations	cali	May 2015	#52
Support is not "proof," and inconvenient is not "secret."	ucrdem	May 2015	#56
a spurious comparison.	cali	May 2015	#58
Great. Now how about the question above? nt	ucrdem	May 2015	#59
Jury results	JustABozoOnThisBus	May 2015	#105
Thanks for posting that and thanks alerter!	ucrdem	May 2015	#106
He is the ONLY candidate that I know of who	G_j	May 2015	#62
lol. oh you mean Hillary voted against the IWR, the biggest fucking disaster	cali	May 2015	#17
Laugh.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	May 2015	#18
And the lame attempts at smear continue.	99Forever	May 2015	#22
Goes...they've been on the attack since long before she announced	davidpdx	May 2015	#27
Yeah, sure.	99Forever	May 2015	#28
I'm uncommitted, but I lose respect for posters who bring crap like this here. nt	pinboy3niner	May 2015	#23
He can't be any worse..	sendero	May 2015	#38
I think Kosovo and Afghanistan are a non-issue for him	Renew Deal	May 2015	#39
Those positions don't trouble me	muriel_volestrangler	May 2015	#42
Surprising a "real" progressive would be so pro-Israel.	DCBob	May 2015	#43
Please stop making stuff up. he is definitely not to the right of Clinton on Israel	cali	May 2015	#55
I may be mistaken on Hillary but he does appear to be right of the President.	DCBob	May 2015	#72
I'd say he's almost exactly where the President is	cali	May 2015	#73
From reading stuff here on DU I would assume near perfection is required to be a real progressive.	DCBob	May 2015	#74
"near perfection is required to be a real progressive."	ieoeja	May 2015	#95
This message was self-deleted by its author	DCBob	May 2015	#75
This is dumb. There is no presidential candidate who's going to	sufrommich	May 2015	#47
Ridiculous half-truth hit piece. Alternet needs better editors	emulatorloo	May 2015	#48
Naw, they just need to go away!	leftofcool	May 2015	#82
Kosovo was a moral imperative. Nothing like Iraq. Or Gaza.	KittyWampus	May 2015	#54
Just want to point out that the op has done a hit and run.	cali	May 2015	#60
So Bernie gets a pass on guns and now war as well	workinclasszero	May 2015	#63
Not at all. He doesn't get a pass on guns. Many of us	cali	May 2015	#65
Michael Arria is, of course, a hack.	OilemFirchen	May 2015	#64
Bernie is a politician just like Hillary, albeit to her left...	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#67
So...you think the good approach is once the vote to send troops passes	jeff47	May 2015	#71
Let me fix that for you.	ieoeja	May 2015	#76
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	May 2015	#77
You people are pitiful	Trajan	May 2015	#78
Let's apply some Third Way logic to this situation.	Maedhros	May 2015	#81
Sanders is certainly the "lesser of two evils", not Clinton.	arcane1	May 2015	#85
I find it comical that those who sneer at us lefties for engaging in "purity" politics	Maedhros	May 2015	#88
It's all they have.	arcane1	May 2015	#91
They fell for their own propaganda.	ieoeja	May 2015	#96
I think it's simpler than that.	Maedhros	May 2015	#97
Thank God we have an anti-war alternative in Clinton	arcane1	May 2015	#84
ding ding ding....	mike_c	May 2015	#102
We were justified to use force in Afghanistan and Kosovo	tabasco	May 2015	#100
I have to agree...	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#109
K&R	cprise	May 2015	#107
The Kosovo thing is THE most troubling thing about Bernie	nationalize the fed	May 2015	#108

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