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144. From your reactions... the ONLY senator to blame for a cloture vote is Bernie Sanders.

Reply to MohRokTah (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:11 AM

Jun 2015

Never mind the other 76 senators who voted with him.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Jesus Malverde May 2015 OP

Didn't he vote against it originally, when that vote was hardest, and also against the first merrily May 2015 #1

Specifically which law did he vote for? mythology May 2015 #10

Technically it was a vote to limit debate or cloture. DCBob May 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author TDale313 May 2015 #7

thank you for that clarification. merrily Jun 2015 #107

Yeah I know people don't get this LynneSin Jun 2015 #162

The USA Freedom Act has not been voted on. peecoolyour May 2015 #3

Ahhh ... now I get it! 99Forever May 2015 #6

"shit-stirring chump" Jesus Malverde May 2015 #17

The 17 who voted "Nay" on this PROCEDURAL VOTE were all Republicans. scarletwoman May 2015 #67

The "Freedom Act" ends the surveillance as I understand it. JDPriestly May 2015 #80

Doesn't end anything bl968 May 2015 #100

JDPriestly is one of the most informative and level headed posters on DU. cui bono Jun 2015 #137

If the phone company keeps the records and the NSA/CIA/contractor, etc. has to get a specific warran JDPriestly Jun 2015 #147

Gee, I guess all the disgruntled people on this thread will be voting for one of those Republicans? merrily Jun 2015 #120

The amount of misinformation in this thread is mind-boggling. scarletwoman Jun 2015 #123

I can't say I am 100% sure what happened or why, but I'm willing to try to find out before I start merrily Jun 2015 #127

Our low information voters number in the tens at least BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #132

PS Please see also Replies 75, 95 and 121, esp. 95. merrily Jun 2015 #128

Bernie explained why he would vote for this tonight on Meet the Press. sabrina 1 May 2015 #84

Chuck Toad was "considerate" enough to put Sanders on the spot about this. merrily Jun 2015 #108

"Guess some shit-stirring chump, was trying to do a smear job." I expect nothing but personal Cha Jun 2015 #150

Procedural votes that gave the legislation legs Jesus Malverde May 2015 #11

The only thing this vote (77-17) did was end debate. peecoolyour May 2015 #20

Actually it stopped any chance of a filibuster Jesus Malverde May 2015 #25

Jesus, is this the bill you are talking about: JDPriestly May 2015 #83

It is on the freedom nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #88

The procedural vote pushes the House version up, & knocks down NSA bulk surveillance HereSince1628 May 2015 #23

Why? What was the logic? TDale313 May 2015 #4

Okay. I'll see what he has to say about that vote. I don't like it one bit. 99Forever May 2015 #5

O'Malley voted Nay bigwillq May 2015 #8

How Clintonian... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #12

Perfect! 99Forever May 2015 #13

He mentioned it on Meet the Press and said why he might vote for it arcane1 May 2015 #9

Hmmm.. a compromise vote. DCBob May 2015 #14

O'Malley was an executive… like the office of President. Not a career politician in Washington. KittyWampus May 2015 #22

***Career politician*** BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #133

without many, many votes that can be cherry-picked, like Sanders and Clinton. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #155

Not being current Senators, Paka May 2015 #86

extremely disappointing. Going to O'Malley's website now to have a look. nationalize the fed May 2015 #15

Well, you for sure won't find anything, since he's not a Senator. scarletwoman Jun 2015 #110

LOL. n/t FSogol Jun 2015 #167

The limited debate procedure gives cover to Senators. MohRokTah May 2015 #16

Not much. Major Hogwash May 2015 #18

In days gone past, the cloture vote was enough cover. MohRokTah May 2015 #19

At least Bernie had the decency not to vote for a war based entirely on lies that KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #105

I have yet to agree with any politician 100% neverforget Jun 2015 #109

No, he voted for limited debate nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #21

He voted to give the legislation a second chance. Jesus Malverde May 2015 #24

75-13... how exactly do you reconcile that? nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #26

That he voted with the majority to limit a filibuster Jesus Malverde May 2015 #27

Let's assume for a second he voted against it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #28

60 MohRokTah May 2015 #31

Whats that have to do with Bernies vote? Jesus Malverde May 2015 #34

I am, I am calling you on your dishonesty nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #36

IT is no different than voting for cloture. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author olddots May 2015 #70

Partisans. Gotta love 'em nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #174

IOW, his vote did not matter, even for cloture? Please see Reply 108. merrily Jun 2015 #113

Once They got over 60 it was irrelevant. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #173

Plus, there is no longer a 60 vote threshold because there is no longer a cloture vote. MohRokTah May 2015 #29

Dishonest argument over a procedural vote nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #32

It's the same argument as with a cloture vote. MohRokTah May 2015 #35

like most democrats nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #37

The nly way to stop the bill was for it to fail cloture. MohRokTah May 2015 #41

It is not as black and white as you would like to pretend this is nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #43

So Bernie Sanders is the ONLY Senator who gets a pass on a cloture vote of a bill we don't like. MohRokTah May 2015 #44

More dishonesty nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #45

I further guarantee, 60 will not vote on the final bill. MohRokTah May 2015 #46

That is your convenient narrative nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #49

Then Give Obama a pass for promoting it. MohRokTah May 2015 #50

More twisting of words nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #52

It's reality. Sanders dumped principle for expediency. MohRokTah May 2015 #53

More popcorn nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #55

. MohRokTah May 2015 #58

What expediency? His vote made absolutely no difference. cui bono Jun 2015 #140

+1 cui bono Jun 2015 #139

Obama didn't just promote it, he extended it in 2011. cui bono Jun 2015 #141

Hillary voted for the Patriot Act in 2001. She voted in favor of a compromise renewed act Autumn Jun 2015 #159

77 yeas, 17 mays, 6 not voting. Bernie could have easily stayed out of town and made it 7. Not a merrily Jun 2015 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #166

Actually, so far, out of 77 Senators, he's the only one you're blaming, so just about the opposite merrily Jun 2015 #115

+1 cui bono Jun 2015 #142

What cloak of purity? cui bono Jun 2015 #138

His vote insured nothing. It was not the 60th vote or even close. merrily Jun 2015 #114

Not really...he feels that Amendments can be made to the Freedom Act...... KoKo May 2015 #39

. MohRokTah May 2015 #48

Does anybody see the list of how all the Senators voted on this? Where to find. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #30

The senate should have posted it by now nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #33

Here nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #40

Thank You! The only people voting No seem to be a few Tea Party people. All the Dems voted Yes Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #61

Exactly nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #63

Bernie could have voted in either direction. For folks to say he's cut from a different cloth Sheepshank May 2015 #90

Except that if he voted NAY nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #91

So Bernie Cheer team got what they wanted with the man who can do no wrong? N/t Sheepshank May 2015 #94

He voted with every democrat nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #98

That just what I said the first time...he's not all that different. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #101

Nah nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #102

Yeah, if he had voted with the teapartiers, we would have heard... Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #149

I'm not sure if he could have voted either way. merrily Jun 2015 #117

Yes, because as we all know, one action defines an entire human being. cui bono Jun 2015 #143

Just the same as those complaining about HRC and her Goldwater connection when she was 17!! Sheepshank Jun 2015 #165

The Goldwater connection needs to die. People change. I want to know what she thinks today. cui bono Jun 2015 #175

you are right.... Sheepshank Jun 2015 #177

Actually, the count was such that his vote was moot, it made no difference to the outcome, typical Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #168

and since that is true...why not vote with the standards he portrays? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #169

Susan Collins is further left than a few Democratic Senators JonLP24 Jun 2015 #156

From the reactions to your thread... MohRokTah May 2015 #42

Strange world..nt Jesus Malverde May 2015 #47

He would not get a pass... SoapBox May 2015 #54

He threw out principle for expediency. MohRokTah May 2015 #56

Every Democrat voted yes on it. Just a handful of Republicans voted no. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #62

It's cover. MohRokTah May 2015 #65

No he's probably voting for it, he said so on TV today. Every Democrat voted yes today Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #68

Cover, like I said. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #71

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #72

So he has endorsed MY CANDIDATE nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #74

LOL Ok then Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #75

DING, DING. DING nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #76

Absolutely Scootaloo May 2015 #81

You called it. Paka May 2015 #89

Thread win, though Reply 95 is no slouch. merrily Jun 2015 #125

And... aspirant Jun 2015 #131

Yep! Thespian2 Jun 2015 #104

Truth. ^ cui bono Jun 2015 #146

For what expediency? How did his one vote accomplish expediency? cui bono Jun 2015 #145

DING, DING, DING nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #57

Spot on aintitfunny May 2015 #96

+1 uponit7771 May 2015 #77

From your reactions... the ONLY senator to blame for a cloture vote is Bernie Sanders. cui bono Jun 2015 #144

Lie. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #51

Did his vote not limit the ability of other senators to filibuster the law? Jesus Malverde May 2015 #60

I am not going to repeat what Nadin has stated many times above. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #103

Some here catnhatnh May 2015 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #64

Hey, I had to write a story on this nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #66

I will not denigrate a fellow Democrat. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #69

And Emoprog Golden Boy Rand Paul voted for it last November... Blue_Tires May 2015 #73

Emoprog Jesus Malverde May 2015 #87

So an redassed emoprog spun the definition at UD... Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #106

O RYL? Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #111

Bravo...You've got enough cognitive capacity to utilize DU's search function Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #130

Its actually a good word Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #136

Here's the thing. SusanCalvin May 2015 #78

Doesn't matter. From this point forward, all it takes are 51 votes. MohRokTah May 2015 #82

Which bill is in play? JDPriestly May 2015 #85

Thank you for the clarification! SoapBox May 2015 #97

And that would have been so even if Bernie voted nay. You all are so much fun. merrily Jun 2015 #118

That kind of blind devotion is highly criticized here on DU..... Sheepshank May 2015 #93

Um, no Bernie supporter on this thread gave blind devotion. All are trying to figure out what merrily Jun 2015 #121

Ahhh so Obama rarely deserves similar future explanation, but Bernie does? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #179

At its finest? You must be kidding. You've never seen anything like that and well beyond on DU merrily Jun 2015 #180

"I trust that Bernie has a good reason and will explain it and stand behind it. " Sheepshank Jun 2015 #181

Yes, it's the glaring Hypocrisy.. when they whine about others standing up for who they believe in Cha Jun 2015 #148

To my recollection, I have not "whined." nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #153

Key words in your post: cui bono Jun 2015 #178

For you Jesus Malverde William769 May 2015 #79

+100 SoapBox May 2015 #99

IOKIYB Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #170

He did? workinclasszero May 2015 #92

Again for emphasis! TM99 May 2015 #95

Thank you. Couldn't be more obvious if they tried. Please see also Replies 108 and 121. merrily Jun 2015 #124

O.F.F.S. progressoid Jun 2015 #112

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #135

Well, the Democrats voted en masse nilesobek Jun 2015 #116

Thanks for the comment. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #119

They did? davidpdx Jun 2015 #158

Are you saying that our Democrats all read every line nilesobek Jun 2015 #189

No, you are implying that ALL the Democrats in Congress at the time did not read the Patriot Act davidpdx Jun 2015 #190

Well I'm sorry Davidpdx. nilesobek Jun 2015 #191

Purity trolling Bernie now?!? ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #122

Yes, but most of the purity trolling of Bernie is coming from Hillary supporters, which is merrily Jun 2015 #126

Yes! Purity trolling! Thank you! And yes! From the "usual screamers"!!! cui bono Jun 2015 #176

Um, I don't think the OP, "Jesus Malverde" is a big Clinton supporter... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #185

This is the second thread on this line nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #186

Well he's certainly not a Bernie supporter. I was agreeing with you about the purity trolls. cui bono Jun 2015 #187

Well, not for anti-Bernie threads ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #188

Legitimate criticism is not purity trolling. cui bono Jun 2015 #192

I rarely see such admissions by purity trolls... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #193

If what you say is true, one would be able to point out a purity troll. cui bono Jun 2015 #194

Your lack of self-awareness is astounding ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #195

Oh my... this reminds me of our last go around... cui bono Jun 2015 #196

"the last two Dem presidents, both of whom enacted centrist/Republican policies" ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #197

So now you're saying that Obama is "being deliberately disingenuous or truly is delusional. cui bono Jun 2015 #198

You clearly have reading comprehension issues... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #199

Thanks for the laugh BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #134

Now that the dust has settled some, it seems Sanders made a vote for cloture that did not affect merrily Jun 2015 #151

So he compromised principles? BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #152

Agree with with most of that. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #154

Much ado about nothing! B Calm Jun 2015 #157

This thread lost any relevance it had when someone asked how O'Malley and Clinton voted. djean111 Jun 2015 #160

Wow ...he voted with the Democrats? Whodathunkit. L0oniX Jun 2015 #161

Really? A thread like this I would expect from a Faux News Host LynneSin Jun 2015 #163

Cloture means no filibuster Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #164

Not gonna happen. jeff47 Jun 2015 #171

That is very disappointing LittleBlue Jun 2015 #172

A melodramatic lack of knowledge of relevant senate procedures can make a lot of people look rather LanternWaste Jun 2015 #182

You are way too kind nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #184

HAHAHA 9 recs. FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #183