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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
31. Your unawareness of something doesn't negate its existence.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jun 2015

I can find you stuff at least 8 or 9 years old about Hillary & the Family.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

Clinton's faith is grounded in the Methodist beliefs she grew up with in Park Ridge, Illinois, a conservative Chicago suburb where she was active in her church's altar guild, Sunday school, and youth group. It was there, in 1961, that she met the Reverend Don Jones, a 30-year-old youth pastor; Jones, a friend of Clinton's to this day, told us he knows "more about Hillary Clinton's faith than anybody outside her family."

Because Jones introduced Clinton and her teenage peers to the civil rights movement and modern poetry and art, Clinton biographers often cast him as a proto-'60s liberal who sowed seeds of radicalism throughout Park Ridge. Jones, though, describes his theology as neoorthodox, guided by the belief that social change should come about slowly and without radical action. It emerged, he says, as a third way, a reaction against both separatist fundamentalism and the New Deal's labor-based liberalism.

Under Jones' mentorship, Clinton learned about Reinhold Niebuhr and Paul Tillich—thinkers whom liberals consider their own, but whom young Hillary Rodham encountered as theological conservatives. The Niebuhr she studied was a cold warrior, dismissive of the progressive politics of his earlier writing. "He'd thought that once we were unionized, the kingdom of God would be ushered in," Jones explains. "But the effect of those two world wars and the violence that they produced shook his faith in liberal theology. He came to believe that the achievement of justice meant a clear understanding of the limitations of the human condition." Tillich, whose sermon on grace Clinton turned to during the Lewinsky scandal, today enjoys a following among conservatives for revising the social gospel—the notion that Christians are to improve humanity's lot here on earth by fighting poverty, inequality, and exploitation—to emphasize individual redemption instead of activism.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html
Sean Hannity has called Obama's church a "cult," but that term applies far
more aptly to Clinton's "Family," which is organized into "cells" -- their term --
and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia.
In 2002, writer Jeff Sharlet joined the Family's home for young men,
foreswearing sex, drugs, and alcohol, and participating in endless discussions
of Jesus and power. He wasn't undercover; he used his own name and admitted to
being a writer. But he wasn't completely out of danger either. When he went
outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets
calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners -- alone.

The Family's most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer
Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes
on behind the scenes -- knitting together international networks of rightwing
leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family
reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that
exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole
bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper's in 2003:

During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government
and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's
postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with
Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American
leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred
thousand "Communists" killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous
dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During
the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S.
government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova,
convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general
Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to
both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.
Fair critiques are fine. [View all] KMOD Jun 2015 OP
If you think the BS crap needs to stop ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #1
We romped on her pretty well for that, Nance, but... Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #4
And about Jane Sanders, i'd hope Scootaloo Jun 2015 #28
I didn't even bother to read that one ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #29
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Yeah. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #54
Thank you for that Nance. cui bono Jun 2015 #58
Good luck with that pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #2
It is silly season nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #21
I trash even the positive campaign propaganda threads pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #41
We are covering quite a bit of the race nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #42
For the Republicans... pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #44
Well the funny thing is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #51
I tend to cringe at weapon references pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #57
I went there because of the movie nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #59
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You have seen nothing yet nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #56
Agreed Sherman A1 Jun 2015 #67
Props for taking down your other OP. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #3
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This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #5
ummm, KMOD Jun 2015 #48
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You believe that those issues are not important TM99 Jun 2015 #6
...? Agschmid Jun 2015 #8
Running a mail server from home TM99 Jun 2015 #9
There weren't really any guidelines established. Agschmid Jun 2015 #11
I know tech. TM99 Jun 2015 #16
Government policy in general is unable to keep up with technological innovations... Agschmid Jun 2015 #17
There are enough facts TM99 Jun 2015 #19
What are the facts, lay them out let's go one by one. Agschmid Jun 2015 #20
This basically covers it all. TM99 Jun 2015 #23
Nah, I've had to deal with a lot in my life doubt you'd even come close. Agschmid Jun 2015 #24
Talk about manufactured B.S. The Clinton's have been in the news for decades, R B Garr Jun 2015 #10
Because the media doesn't report on Doug Coe and his group. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #30
The MotherJones starts out about what she did in 1993. R B Garr Jun 2015 #38
I wasn't casting judgement. Just refuting your claim that it was some "modern manufacture." Scootaloo Jun 2015 #40
Your unawareness of something doesn't negate its existence. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #31
omg, this is about what she did in 1993? That's how the MotherJones R B Garr Jun 2015 #36
SINCE 1993, not IN 1993. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #37
She networked as First Lady. The ARTICLE states that started in 1993. R B Garr Jun 2015 #39
On the emails nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #22
I agree. TM99 Jun 2015 #25
I am not even talking protocols nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #27
Yes, on both accounts. TM99 Jun 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author KMOD Jun 2015 #49
I am not a Democrat. TM99 Jun 2015 #52
Posts about HRC's speeches, and religious ties. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #7
Good on you for deleting those ops. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #12
True, but it's not going to stop. DanTex Jun 2015 #13
Dead Ringer! Cha Jun 2015 #26
Ditto Iliyah Jun 2015 #32
+1 JoePhilly Jun 2015 #73
It does. from everyone marym625 Jun 2015 #14
Sorry, but you don't get to define issues that are important to me as "stupid" Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #15
So let's circle back to the emails then... Agschmid Jun 2015 #18
Really. That's a rw talking point that evidently sucked in more than their usuals. Cha Jun 2015 #35
A candidates history, votes, statements, and actions should be discussed BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #33
They are labeled a smear or right wing tactic when they are taken out of context R B Garr Jun 2015 #43
I agree with you Brother Ivan davidpdx Jun 2015 #61
It's getting weird up in here, no? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #62
Weird is not the adjective I'd use davidpdx Jun 2015 #66
I already did that BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #68
Well at least it didn't get you a hide davidpdx Jun 2015 #70
They're working on it, believe me BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author KMOD Jun 2015 #53
Well you do your share of it. cui bono Jun 2015 #63
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No, not really. cui bono Jun 2015 #65
No they aren't davidpdx Jun 2015 #60
So, we can't critique her speeches? And why is it fine for Exilednight Jun 2015 #69
"In proper context". That's it exactly. In proper context. R B Garr Jun 2015 #72
It is getting a little Gowdy up in here. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #74
Locking. Sissyk Jun 2015 #75
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