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92. "Problem is your story isn't true." LOL, You know it is

Thu Jun 4, 2015, 02:57 PM

Jun 2015

Bush beat Gore by 537 votes in Florida. Nader got 97,488 votes in Florida etc. etc. Had Nader not been on the ballot, Gore would have won. So what "isn't true" about that? You can bleet and blather about how shitty Gore was, and I'll agree, but it doesn't change the fundamental reality that Nader knew that his campaigning in swing states was increasing the odds of Bush winning -- and succeeded in swinging the election. I hope you enjoyed the Iraq War and Shock and Awe and all those 5-4 Supreme Court rulings we've had over the last several years.

See #91 about throwing away your vote and then sanctimoniously saying, "well, the Democrat didn't earn my vote, he wasn't good and pure and wonderful enough, unlike me, who is always and pure and wonderful as the driven snow. Quixotic, yes, but fundamentally wonderful.

[font color = blue]>>32 is still blaming it on Nader, and 14 still restricts all your analysis to FL.<<[/font]

Yes, if Nader hadn't been on the ballot in Florida, Gore would have been president. Simple.

And #78 covers New Hampshire -- Nader probably didn't swing that state.

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Re: the recent spate of "will you vote if_____?" - aka "loyalty" threads. [View all] scarletwoman Jun 2015 OP

Maybe someone can toss up a poll and get it over with!!! MADem Jun 2015 #1

I think we've seen more polls in the past few weeks than I have fingers. countryjake Jun 2015 #4

I have only seen a few of them... MADem Jun 2015 #6

Though they are funny, in a bushian kind of a way nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #2

I agree. TM99 Jun 2015 #3

Well *that* sucks. MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #5

I'm screencapping and archiving your reply here to use against you four to ten years from now. NYC_SKP Jun 2015 #7

They haven't got me banned yet, even though I'm pretty open about how I will not vote for Hillary Maedhros Jun 2015 #52

I will not vote for Hillary either. Will have Waffles that day instead. Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #80

Don't worry you won't have to vote for Hillary because Bernie is going to be the nominee. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #83

Thank god! Much as I like Waffles, the carbs are bad for me. Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #97

I pledge to not make a pledge. L0oniX Jun 2015 #70

they bore me ibegurpard Jun 2015 #8

That is a pledge I will never make. zeemike Jun 2015 #9

People who try to get me to sign a loyalty oath... bvar22 Jun 2015 #43

When I say who I'm voting for, it's to allow me an opportunity to tell my acquaintances why I would Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #10

Some of these types act like it's 2000 with Nader.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #11

And of course it was the media saying Gore lied about Love Story progree Jun 2015 #14

The only vote that counted was the one that was 5 to 4. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #20

The SCOTUS would not have gotten involved if Gore had 12,000 votes more than Bush progree Jun 2015 #33

Well, they hadn't even finished counting the votes in Florida Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #79

Well, if Gore had been on top by 12,000 or more votes on the morning after election day progree Jun 2015 #93

And if Bush's brother hadn't been the governor, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #96

Yup, I have a long list of that stuff in #14. And I agree that all of them, even Love Story, progree Jun 2015 #99

Many more Florida Dems voted for Bush dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #21

So what? (Another one to add to my list of the irrelevant that still doesn't come to grips progree Jun 2015 #32

Don't forget Butterfly Ballots BuelahWitch Jun 2015 #39

Yup, the butterfly ballots are included in the long list in #14. nm progree Jun 2015 #40

In the end, it's Gore's responsibilty to earn votes. Maedhros Jun 2015 #54

Yes, yes, yes, I covered that one in #14. (sigh) progree Jun 2015 #55

Hey - politics is a rough business. Maedhros Jun 2015 #58

So should Bush - then it wouldn't have even been close progree Jun 2015 #59

You have nothing interesting to say. Maedhros Jun 2015 #60

Yet you give the conservaDems who voted for Bush none of your ire dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #62

I'M PISSED AT THE CONSERVADEMS EVEN MORE! There. progree Jun 2015 #63

And IF a meteor fell from heaven and landed on Nader's head, bvar22 Jun 2015 #44

Nice try. Oh, oh well. I'll stick to the best information available progree Jun 2015 #49

Bogus. bvar22 Jun 2015 #89

OK, if you think so. Go throw away your vote on some egotistical Don Quixote progree Jun 2015 #91

I don't believe any of the Nader voters feel like they "threw away" their vote, bvar22 Jun 2015 #94

I was talking about the less ignorant ones, not all of them. progree Jun 2015 #95

I lived in Florida Aerows Jun 2015 #71

Gore losing votes to Nader is GORE's RESPONSIBILITY, not Nader's fault. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #53

We dealt with that in #54-#55. But thanks again and again for the repetition. nm progree Jun 2015 #61

No, you waved your hands and decreed "It's Nader's fault!!" jeff47 Jun 2015 #68

#32 is hardly waving my hands. And #14 dealt with myriad other factors. progree Jun 2015 #78

No, 32 is still blaming it on Nader, and 14 still restricts all your analysis to FL. jeff47 Jun 2015 #88

"Problem is your story isn't true." LOL, You know it is progree Jun 2015 #92

You'll never change the voters. bvar22 Jun 2015 #100

"Blaming Nader may make you feel good in a childish kind of way" progree Jun 2015 #101

The Gore Campaign did INDEED calculate that they wouldn't need the Nader voters. bvar22 Jun 2015 #102

And von Hindenburg and the Great Depression created Hitler progree Jun 2015 #103

way to early to commit oneself to a particular candidate IMO. fun watching tho nt msongs Jun 2015 #12

I don't mind people early committing (obviously) rpannier Jun 2015 #13

Yup jberryhill Jun 2015 #57

Good post! SoapBox Jun 2015 #15

I like them all, I'm leaning toward Bernie. lovemydog Jun 2015 #16

This is not new, here's a gem from 2008: joshcryer Jun 2015 #17

A crappy comparison davidpdx Jun 2015 #24

I don't think it'll be much different. joshcryer Jun 2015 #25

Ok, now you are comparing apples and oranges davidpdx Jun 2015 #26

You didn't read the replies. joshcryer Jun 2015 #28

Those are just a twisted type of Hillary commitmentment thread daredtowork Jun 2015 #18

The Purists always show up and demand Party Purity around primary time. Meh. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #19

trash thread Sherman A1 Jun 2015 #22

"Recent"? Some characters have been demanding loyalty oaths for two years now. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #23

+1 to Scootaloo davidpdx Jun 2015 #27

One of them is on vacation until about July 29. So sad. nm progree Jun 2015 #42

Isn't there a poll about not clicking on pledgey polls any damned more? djean111 Jun 2015 #29

This... ms liberty Jun 2015 #30

For the record, I don't give a rat's ass whether anybody in the DU bubble votes MoonRiver Jun 2015 #31

Amen Scarlet! 99Forever Jun 2015 #34

It's not a loyalty question treestar Jun 2015 #35

What, for argument sake, if Lyndon Larouche won the Democratic nomination? Exilednight Jun 2015 #46

And when you set up your own board, you can care about that. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #69

Clinton supporters have seen the nomination slip away before. Orsino Jun 2015 #36

Well, for me, that question isn't so much about "loyalty" Adrahil Jun 2015 #37

Same question to you that I posted in #46. Exilednight Jun 2015 #48

A Lyndon Larouche-type candidate would never get the niomination. Adrahil Jun 2015 #84

I know he wouldn't, that's why I picked him. Exilednight Jun 2015 #87

Stating that you'll vote for anything with a D next to it has consequences, too. winter is coming Jun 2015 #64

The place to focus on what it represents is the PRIMARY Adrahil Jun 2015 #85

So it's a perpetual lecture, LWolf Jun 2015 #81

Nope. But nice attempt at putting words in my mouth. Adrahil Jun 2015 #86

Your words. LWolf Jun 2015 #98

but loyalty oath threads allow goodrightthink and high colonic purges. NuttyFluffers Jun 2015 #38

Or you can just "trash" those threads and "ignore" those users bigwillq Jun 2015 #41

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #45

Thank you. k&r AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #47

I will always vote Democrat. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2015 #50

My first vote was also for McGovern. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #51

"I'll be damned if I'm going take some kind of pledge about it" jberryhill Jun 2015 #56

Maybe. scarletwoman Jun 2015 #66

Not good enough jberryhill Jun 2015 #67

You are apparently under the mistaken impression that I care whether my opinion is taken seriously. scarletwoman Jun 2015 #72

thanks for posting this . olddots Jun 2015 #65

OK but do you actually see anyone in the race workinclasszero Jun 2015 #73

I like to think that I have both a conscience and a heart & that they will guide my actions in 2016. scarletwoman Jun 2015 #74

Again thats your choice, fine workinclasszero Jun 2015 #75

Agreed. nilesobek Jun 2015 #76

You are so right matt819 Jun 2015 #77

yep - these posts are lame and getting mighty old DrDan Jun 2015 #82

I'm always amazing at the stir a single poster G_j Jun 2015 #90