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"libertarian" (small "l") is a political tendency, not an absolute identity. Romulox Jun 2015 #1
Oh, you ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #7
The article seems to purposefully elide the small "l" and big "L" varieties. Romulox Jun 2015 #8
I think it does generalize ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #9
I am a "civil libertarian" (example: abortion rights, free speech, religion, anti war on drugs) Romulox Jun 2015 #11
Ok. ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #13
Try telling a right-wing libertarian tea party type that Liberals can be libertarian too.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #16
The same is true here at DU. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #18
Liberal Libertarians believe the government shouldn't be in the bedroom.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #38
And liberal and conservative libertarians share a right-wing economic policy. pnwmom Jun 2015 #47
No. We're back off the rails again. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #54
completely off the rails. nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #163
"So the term "liberal libertarian" is a contradiction in terms." Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #56
Not me. I'm a left libertarian. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #58
These threads are always so much fun. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #175
The tragi/comedy aspect of this is that "liberal economics" traditionally means laissez-faire. Romulox Jun 2015 #61
"and not by collective institutions or organizations" These days add "Wall Street". Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #68
Noam Chomsky considers himself a left libertarian. m-lekktor Jun 2015 #162
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Great summary. It doesn't sink in with some, though. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #55
Well played. hifiguy Jun 2015 #127
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And if it was JUST about those issues, I'd likely be more receptive to the Libertarians. HughBeaumont Jun 2015 #87
You're confusing small "l" libertarianism with big "L" again. Romulox Jun 2015 #90
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As a term, small-"l" libertarianism is obsolete. Orrex Jun 2015 #121
That's simply not true. It's as relevant as ever--e.g. in the NSA spying debate. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #123
You're confusing the word with the subject Orrex Jun 2015 #128
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DU rec... SidDithers Jun 2015 #2
You're most welcome ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #4
Well hello Sid Hekate Jun 2015 #119
... SidDithers Jun 2015 #136
I am not a libertarian by any means but "ultra right wing?" tymorial Jun 2015 #3
My brother is a Right Wing Libertarian ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #5
Would have loved to hear that conversation hueymahl Jun 2015 #50
He's a pure free market deregulation libertarian ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #64
They might not consider themselves to be. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #15
The libertarians I've encountered tend toward social Darwinism pscot Jun 2015 #21
That's my experience ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #24
That is what many I have met believe. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #27
Yep, and the social Darwinism includes putting women back into 2nd or 3rd Nay Jun 2015 #28
Must one size fit all? The2ndWheel Jun 2015 #63
+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #48
+1. Libertarians "left" or "right" are just Republicans who want to smoke dope and get laid. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #80
So you support the drug war, then? You don't think terminally ill people should be able to choose Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #174
Libertarians can lay no such claim to those issues. Deal with that. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #181
It's a label, and. You're deliberately conflating the big-L Libertarian party with, among other Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #184
If I gave a f**k about the distinctions between Libertarians, I'd name my dog Ayn Rand. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #187
...exactly. Thanks for proving my point. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #191
Glad I could help. Oh, and "you're"? I didn't make the sign. Take it up with Google. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #193
It's emblematic of the high intellectual level of discussion, embodied in this thread. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #196
I'm glad to see you acknowledge the "level" of your contribution. I wasn't gonna say anything. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #203
Verily I am rubber and thou art glue. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #204
Not true LakeVermilion Jun 2015 #205
When you're fine with people dying of hunger or disease... Matrosov Jun 2015 #51
K & R. It also exists in the finance sector. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #6
K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #10
They just want it like it was back in the old days again tjwash Jun 2015 #12
Exactly ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #14
It can also be the quickest The2ndWheel Jun 2015 #29
Except, of course, most of them are not 'the fittest, the biggest and strongest'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #31
It's that "rugged individualism" thing..... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #17
But oh so mockable Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #19
Heh! ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #20
K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2015 #22
It's certainly not for this white man. drm604 Jun 2015 #23
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This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jun 2015 #26
I just have to post the "auto removed" post above for comedy value Coventina Jun 2015 #30
Oh DU's favorite troll again ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #32
Well, I hope you're busy writing your apology!! Coventina Jun 2015 #33
Must lead a pretty pitiful existence... cyberswede Jun 2015 #39
I'm sorry he's a disturbed wing nut ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #66
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He posted you a love song. cyberswede Jun 2015 #109
Um yes indeed ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #112
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The fuck? NuclearDem Jun 2015 #36
of course he is a white male noiretextatique Jun 2015 #37
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LOL - Nerve: struck cyberswede Jun 2015 #137
it sucks to be right noiretextatique Jun 2015 #139
That is almost making it too easy for MIRT. hifiguy Jun 2015 #125
Oh come on, why not post their name, as long as you're quoting? Lol; doesn't count as a callout Hekate Jun 2015 #155
Oh FFS treestar Jun 2015 #209
Most self proclaimed Libertarians have no real idea Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #34
K&R. From the article: YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #40
Basically, it is about atomizing the opposition ... Bad Thoughts Jun 2015 #44
Thank you! ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #67
Unless and until more women and minorities join Flatulo Jun 2015 #41
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Very good point ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #81
Yeah, back in the day nursing was a three year (very grueling) program, Flatulo Jun 2015 #108
No you need a bachelors, at least to work in the better hospitals. ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #138
I expect the trend for higher degree requirements to continue. I got my B.S. In 1977, but I Flatulo Jun 2015 #157
Salon is a Right wing media incognito ! Cryptoad Jun 2015 #42
Ayn Rand pulled the wool over the eyes of a lot of irrational nitwits LanternWaste Jun 2015 #43
Oh, how you uit that nail on the head hifiguy Jun 2015 #148
So... I'm confused. Do white men suck because they're libertarians? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #45
Libertarians suck noamnety Jun 2015 #62
libertarians suck because their entire agenda is to benefit those who enjoy societal privileges geek tragedy Jun 2015 #75
Do we want white men to change the way they vote? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #82
Yes. The key to that is education and persuasion, not throwing women, immigrants, and geek tragedy Jun 2015 #105
In what way does criticizing libertarianism by associating it with white men... lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #141
the point is that it's an exclusive club that only cares about white men. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #145
Then in what way is the revelation that white men identify with it "an ugly truth"? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #147
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For the real Ayn Randite hardcore purists hifiguy Jun 2015 #149
.... YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #166
True enough. Is it "libertarianism makes white men bad" or "white men make libertarianism bad"? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #171
Yet a lot of non-white people would benefit from some libertarian policies. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #46
those are ancillary issues for libertarians. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #74
Exactly ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #97
Survey data, please. Probably true for some, but not all. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #111
Are you a Libertarian? ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #114
I'm not a member of the Libertarian Party, or the Democratic Party for that matter. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #140
I get it ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #159
I think you are a democratic socialist hifiguy Jun 2015 #160
Or maybe an anarcho-socialist. Labels are hard. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #164
The mothership for Libertarian publications--the Cato Institute--is owned by the Koch Brothers. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #117
Yes, I am aware of that. Those same Cato bad boys also do some excellent work on policing issues. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #142
if someone's right on a certain issue, certainly work with them. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #143
It's a masturbatory philosophy for privileged people Prism Jun 2015 #52
Yup. Nerdy "priveleged" white guys. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #53
LOL. What a ridiculous post! nt Romulox Jun 2015 #57
I posted it to piss off our resident daily paul regulars. Sorry you don't like it. I'll try to get Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #72
LOL! ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #73
Right. Dragnet surveillance is OK. Because white dudes! nt Romulox Jun 2015 #76
You seem to be taking this WAAAAAYYY too personally. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #85
You are using people's political ignorance to promote domestic spying. It's personal. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #86
Libertarians suck! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #91
Domestic spying is horrible, and no scapegoating will make it better. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #94
Libertarians still suck, be they "Civil" or otherwise. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #98
That's an ignorant statement, at best. Authoritarianism has lead to horror in living memory. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #101
Libertarians still suck! I don't know how many ways it can be said. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #103
It doesn't become more convincing by repeating it. It just becomes obvious that's all you got. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #104
Who's trying to "convince"? I think most people here already know Libertarians suck. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #115
Most people are instinctively repulsed by spies and spying. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #116
And most Americans think Edward Snowden sucks! What's your point? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #118
it seems simply repeating "it's wrong" over and over again easily convinces the irrational mind. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #134
So...this is an argument *in favor* of dragnet style surveillance, or...???? nt Romulox Jun 2015 #135
The ACLU sucks? You know, the American Civil Liberties Union. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #144
Libertarians, OF ALL STRIPES, suck! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #150
You are making a fool of yourself. Got nothing more to say to you. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #151
You mad? Well, don't go away mad Comrade. C'mon. Can't we rebuild? What will I do now? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #154
Don't fret. I'm not going anywhere. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #156
I knew you couldn't stay mad. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #158
I love you! This was so funny. The tables were turned! nt betsuni Jun 2015 #188
Democrats have lead the way on marijuana legalization and it's shitty of you to pain that Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #110
Actually, under the Obama adminstration, the Justice Dpt. continued prosecutions of dispensaries and Romulox Jun 2015 #120
LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #130
That's one part of the article that doesn't jibe with my personal experience ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #69
Yes Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #100
My view is that the caricature of Libertarians being young, middle-class white guys is accurate YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #169
Oops! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #129
Very "inconvenient" if the heated responses are any indication. Touched a nerve, doncha know? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #131
lol now he lives in a country where treestar Jun 2015 #210
Especially straight white male privelege. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #213
A former high-school friend (now a quasi-racist libertarian) put it succinctly: "I've got mine." byronius Jun 2015 #59
Libertarians build their ranks from young people disillusioned by ineffective and corrupt govt LittleBlue Jun 2015 #60
Spot on, I agree with you 100%. BlueEye Jun 2015 #71
Yes LittleBlue Jun 2015 #77
Ah, the good old "Big Tent" . . . . HughBeaumont Jun 2015 #84
Fully agree. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #173
Yup davidn3600 Jun 2015 #198
Super extra better article, Ism libodem Jun 2015 #65
.... ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #70
As I mentioned, smear small "l" libertarians with the Libertarian Party, Romulox Jun 2015 #78
The difference? ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #88
That's not the whole story. Look up "civil libertarianism", and you'll see it's a cornerstone Romulox Jun 2015 #92
I'm just giving you shit ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #93
That's good to hear. You can see many here don't understand (or don't care about) the distinction. Romulox Jun 2015 #95
I doubt there are very many actual Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand "Libertarians" on DU. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #185
If a lot of this thread is teasing the various libertarians ... betsuni Jun 2015 #195
I guess. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #197
So if someone says they like kitties, you accuse them of hating puppies. betsuni Jun 2015 #199
No, I'm wondering why it's so gosh darn important to conflate things like left-libertarianism Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #200
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #202
What an unfortunate piece of ignorance. Android3.14 Jun 2015 #79
What an interesting point of view. ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #83
"What an unfortunate piece of ignorance" geek tragedy Jun 2015 #107
Except the analogy fails, because Libertarians aren't disenfranchised or oppressed YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #165
What an affirmation Android3.14 Jun 2015 #179
A few things about being a libertarian Turbineguy Jun 2015 #96
Yes indeed ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #99
Modern rightist political libertarianism in a sentence: hifiguy Jun 2015 #146
junk science Vattel Jun 2015 #102
Nice that somebody finally noticed. Ayn Rand was an anomaly in more ways than one.... Hekate Jun 2015 #113
"Atlas Shugged" was very much "I got mine" ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #122
Not even Officer Barbrady from South Park liked Atlas Shrugged: Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #152
I just googled and re-read an argument I had with a Libertarian in 1999 Orrex Jun 2015 #126
Modern, self-identified Libertarians - as in the party - hifiguy Jun 2015 #132
FTMP Libertarians I Know are selfish, inconsiderate, a$$holes. Historic NY Jun 2015 #153
A libertarian I know has at least copped to the racism libertarian policies let run amok Recursion Jun 2015 #167
Outcomes aren't important to those who won't be negatively affected by Libertarian policies YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #170
Unfortunately, a lot of the far-right, anti-government Libertarian talking points... YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #168
You could not have nailed that harder if you'd tried. Seriously. Number23 Jun 2015 #172
Yup ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #177
You got that right. So glad you posted this OP. It's a great read. Number23 Jun 2015 #180
This message was self-deleted by its author MFrohike Jun 2015 #182
Ayn Rand disagreed with you. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #183
Not even men AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #186
Notice my sig line? DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #189
This article is shit davidn3600 Jun 2015 #190
Libertarians operate on a LOT of tacit privilege daredtowork Jun 2015 #194
for all those who say DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #206
It's an actual Political Party JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #207
Libertarians think they'd be at the top of the heap treestar Jun 2015 #208
How many libertarians does it take to change a light bulb? betsuni Jun 2015 #211
This thread proves how much stronger ignorance is than knowledge. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #212
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