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The Magistrate

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25. Nonesense, Sir: There are people Who Do Not Want To Vote For a Mormon, And That Should Be Exploited
Mon May 14, 2012, 12:15 PM
May 2012

We on the left really have to get over this ridiculous compulsion to try and treat blood-foes fairly....

Mormon's an Christians are about equally crazy in their beliefs. But the Christians get a pass in Erose999 May 2012 #1
Christianity certainly doesn't get a pass here. cali May 2012 #3
Kind of a Newton's third law of politics... Fumesucker May 2012 #4
Which candidates are being ridiculed for being Christians? MineralMan May 2012 #10
ahem. I do. Frequently, especially ChairmanAgnostic May 2012 #56
My theory on criticizing faith: if it would be criticized as BS outside a church then go ahead CreekDog May 2012 #126
Fair point. backscatter712 May 2012 #53
Hm. This type of depiction can be made about any religion. nt daaron May 2012 #86
Why do you think I'm an atheist? n/t backscatter712 May 2012 #113
Yeah, and doesn't it make you wonder why people buy into that nonsense? Arugula Latte May 2012 #165
Well, when you put it that way... SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #96
Oh, and don't forget about the ritual cannibalism and vampirism of the deity! backscatter712 May 2012 #176
I find Mormonism fascinating. I'm not going to silence myself because a Mormon is running cali May 2012 #2
That's not what I'm talking about. MineralMan May 2012 #9
Exactly. We're not criticizing, just asking people to learn more about it. DCKit May 2012 #44
Do you really think that's what the majoriety of Mormon threads are doing? FreeState May 2012 #196
Honestly. fruitsmoothie45 May 2012 #5
I'll continue to mock his Mormonism because that's half of my own kestrel91316 May 2012 #6
I agree. jp11 May 2012 #7
I think discussing Mormonism in general can be useful and important, especially as a way to Brickbat May 2012 #8
But religion is a poor predictor of politics, frankly. MineralMan May 2012 #15
Harry Reid. That's a good one. earthside May 2012 #20
Which religion isn't "strange"? nt sufrommich May 2012 #31
Whichever one a person follows, it seems to me. MineralMan May 2012 #43
They all are. Mormonism is just one of the "strange, strange" ones. Brickbat May 2012 #47
+1 obamanut2012 May 2012 #145
I agree. Plently of other things to bash Romney with. n/t FSogol May 2012 #11
I agree completely. As an atheist, and a citizen, I am appalled by the focus on religion as a enough May 2012 #12
I do think we need to recognize that there are many LDS who are democrats. HereSince1628 May 2012 #13
We can agree that "that there are many LDS who are democrats" if there is a factual basis. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #62
um, having lived in utah, there are not many mormons who are democrats newspeak May 2012 #88
"Is there one that you can point to?" protect our future May 2012 #89
No. That does not support that "that there are many LDS who are democrats". AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #95
I think you replied to my post protect our future May 2012 #101
I'm glad you're a democrat newspeak May 2012 #107
I agree, newspeak, protect our future May 2012 #143
Jack Mormons obamanut2012 May 2012 #146
Harry Reid is a Mormon. MineralMan May 2012 #92
And not one source for the statement that "that there are many LDS who are democrats". AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #97
14% of Mormons prefer Democrats, compared to 59% Repukes hughee99 May 2012 #168
Interesting, Thanks. n/t AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #190
Here's a link for one... HereSince1628 May 2012 #105
That is not a link to support "that there ARE AS MANY LDS who are democrats" AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #130
I believe you've added a word to what that DUer posted. MineralMan May 2012 #134
Thank you. I stand corrected. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #151
We don't have to. FBaggins May 2012 #14
The rw is the ones most likely to stay home rather than vote for a Mormon. Unless of course they jwirr May 2012 #19
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #16
Romney is a Mormon. Obama IS NOT a Muslim see any difference? Can we point out about Dominionists? Vincardog May 2012 #17
Point out what? Is Romney a dominionist? HiPointDem May 2012 #123
Could you provide some examples of such criticism from our side? jeff47 May 2012 #18
Sure. There are two such threads on the first page of GD today. MineralMan May 2012 #24
So you're complaining about random people on the Internet, then? (nt) jeff47 May 2012 #76
The second one isn't an attack on Romney. nt daaron May 2012 #93
It's like believing Snow White is nonsense, sufrommich May 2012 #21
Frankly, whatever it takes to win. Bake May 2012 #22
If a Scientologist or a Moonie were running for president would religious beliefs be off the table? NNN0LHI May 2012 #23
For me, they would be off the table. MineralMan May 2012 #27
Same goes for a Creativity Movement adherent? NNN0LHI May 2012 #34
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that. MineralMan May 2012 #60
The Mormon Church excluded African-Americans from leadership until 1978 NNN0LHI May 2012 #71
Not because of his religion. I'd have a look at how many black people were in MineralMan May 2012 #73
He allowed an openly gay staffer to be hounded from his post obamanut2012 May 2012 #149
Yes, he did, which demonstrates his prejudice. MineralMan May 2012 #153
Would you have opposed JFK because the Catholic Church excluded women from leadership? hughee99 May 2012 #169
If he had been promoting such practices in his speeches you God damn right I would have NNN0LHI May 2012 #170
And since Romney promotes bigoted stances in his speeches hughee99 May 2012 #224
But yet LDS are both of those obamanut2012 May 2012 #148
Yes, and the candidate has made his own positions clear as well. MineralMan May 2012 #154
With all due respect, I think that all modern Presidents have been atheists. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #66
You might be correct, but all publicly professed Christianity. MineralMan May 2012 #74
Nonesense, Sir: There are people Who Do Not Want To Vote For a Mormon, And That Should Be Exploited The Magistrate May 2012 #25
Then we shouldn't complain about religion taking sufrommich May 2012 #29
That's the point: Religion already HAS taken a front row seat! Bake May 2012 #115
Hardly, Sir: the Other Fellow's Religion Is Clearly Wrong, Evil, Even, And Has No Place In Politics The Magistrate May 2012 #172
Absolutely! AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #38
When Mormons stop telling lies about the LGBT community, we will stop telling the truth about them. Zorra May 2012 #132
Really well said. daaron May 2012 #188
Exactly. Cali_Democrat May 2012 #178
hell yes ibegurpard May 2012 #197
for being so stuffy you do have a way with words... Agony May 2012 #209
Precisely. We're too soft on issues that really matter, but are "touchy." joshcryer May 2012 #219
absolutely disagree. Vehemently, if truth be told. ChairmanAgnostic May 2012 #26
Or at least people should know to post religion focused OPs in the religion forum. FYI to all duers, quinnox May 2012 #28
Romney believes that God communicated his plans to man in upstate NY in the 19th century. Nye Bevan May 2012 #30
+1. I'm amazed so many think there is an actual difference. sufrommich May 2012 #35
Both are incredible to me. MineralMan May 2012 #37
In that case, Romney's make more sense than Obama's... zappaman May 2012 #40
I agree to a point SoutherDem May 2012 #32
No thank you. Although I'm not Black, if the Mormons have the remnants of anti-Black and AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #33
"I'm a descendant of Quakers " sufrommich May 2012 #39
Wrong. The difference is that Nixon did not remain true to Quaker traditions. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #45
Yeah, some people don't remain true to their sufrommich May 2012 #51
Excellent point. MineralMan May 2012 #46
Racism, homophobia, and other bigotry MineralMan May 2012 #42
I think that you're right. But if and when others would reject Rmoney because of certain nutty AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #52
"Racism, homophobia, and other bigotry are pretty much independent of religion, it seems to me." Maven May 2012 #59
Romney openly opposes marriage equality. MineralMan May 2012 #63
What you're arguing is that religion is off limits Maven May 2012 #72
No, I'm not arguing that at all. MineralMan May 2012 #79
No, it's not legitimate to "wonder" if the candidate upholds this corrupt organization's positions EFerrari May 2012 #189
Strongly agree! U.S. Constitution, Article VI longship May 2012 #36
Mormons are weird but interesting. And they like being weird. hrmjustin May 2012 #41
It's fun to be weird but interesting. MineralMan May 2012 #49
His Mormonism is actually not all that interesting. Quantess May 2012 #48
Ditto. It has nothing to do with fairy tales and magic underwear. We all have beliefs. harun May 2012 #83
For Americans, This Might Be A Personal Choice Among Holy Books. ancianita May 2012 #50
Follow Me to our Planet and be a god. Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #54
Yes. Here's another one: MineralMan May 2012 #125
"We all rightly criticized the right for using the Muslim nonsense against Obama" cthulu2016 May 2012 #55
We objected to them calling Obama Muslim because it was untrue liberal N proud May 2012 #57
Hm. WilliamPitt May 2012 #58
Are we ready for a Scientologists President? Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #64
+1,000,000 CountAllVotes May 2012 #65
Which would be fine if we were ever to actually argue sufrommich May 2012 #67
I think exploring "Lying for the Lord" is imperative in the vetting process. myrna minx May 2012 #69
Marsupials either gaspee May 2012 #218
Yeah I sort of agree. Ganja Ninja May 2012 #61
"Whether Mormons should be considered "Christians" is a controversial and rather complicated issue." AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #70
A lot of Evangelicals will try to tell you Catholics aren't Christian either. n/t Ganja Ninja May 2012 #114
You may have more experience than me. I try to avoid them. n/t AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #131
Repugs had no problem TBF May 2012 #68
You lay off, I'm good. EFerrari May 2012 #75
Beat me to it obamanut2012 May 2012 #78
LDS money was instrumental for Prop 8 too. myrna minx May 2012 #80
Seriously, fuck them. EFerrari May 2012 #82
Harry Reid supports marriage equality MineralMan May 2012 #91
You miss my point. EFerrari May 2012 #94
No, I don't miss your point at all. MineralMan May 2012 #103
I don't need to be fair to the Mormon Church. I'm not playing AYSO soccer with them. EFerrari May 2012 #109
Romney is openly opposed to marriage equality. MineralMan May 2012 #87
Yes, it is the Mormonism when the Mormon Church money floods our voting venues EFerrari May 2012 #99
LDS spent lots of money in California trying to kill gay marriage DisgustipatedinCA May 2012 #100
And also in NC obamanut2012 May 2012 #140
Source for NC? FreeState May 2012 #198
He is a public and devout adherent to a church that is inherently bigoted obamanut2012 May 2012 #137
The argument isn't that the church shouldn't be sufrommich May 2012 #85
+1 tallahasseedem May 2012 #186
I wish I could rec that post. pa28 May 2012 #205
Game ON! Agony May 2012 #208
No I don't agree with that bluestateguy May 2012 #77
"We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that ... Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #81
LOL. EFerrari May 2012 #84
An excellent Mencken quotation, indeed. MineralMan May 2012 #90
Teehee Solly Mack May 2012 #102
I totally agree. It interferes with the pursuit of solidarity. Zalatix May 2012 #98
Thanks. You get it. MineralMan May 2012 #108
As a woman, I think the fact that his belief system regards women as second class citizens LeftyMom May 2012 #104
Until that son of a bitch unequivocally apologizes for what he did coalition_unwilling May 2012 #106
If what underwear you put on in the morning was all your religion affected, you'd be right yurbud May 2012 #110
No way. I don't want anyone who believes in gods from planets, NightWatcher May 2012 #111
The short answer is yes. Now, the long answer Jack Rabbit May 2012 #112
Thanks for your very logical and complete reply. MineralMan May 2012 #118
Would you have this same attitude if Romney were a Scientologist? Or a Moony? Major Hogwash May 2012 #116
I would have the same attitude, but I consider it virtually impossible MineralMan May 2012 #124
+1 HiPointDem May 2012 #117
No thanks.... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #119
DU is a 95% agnostic/atheist site shagsak May 2012 #120
Actually, that's not even close to being true. MineralMan May 2012 #121
You are probably right shagsak May 2012 #206
As soon as the Rethugs stop talking about whether Obama is a Muslim CanonRay May 2012 #122
Problem Rmoney faces is the same one JFK faced intaglio May 2012 #127
I'll stop criticizing his Mormonism when he stops using his Mormonism to deny me equal rights. justiceischeap May 2012 #128
Harry Reid is a Mormon. He hasn't been kicked out. MineralMan May 2012 #136
Is Harry Reid as devout? justiceischeap May 2012 #139
How should I know how devout or not devout a candidate is MineralMan May 2012 #155
There is much wisdom in this thread protect our future May 2012 #129
Well, for me, there are a large number of positions MineralMan May 2012 #133
Excellent. I think this goes to the heart of the nuance involved. daaron May 2012 #193
Thanks, daaron. protect our future May 2012 #226
I agree with you MrScorpio May 2012 #135
I wholeheartedly disagree. 99Forever May 2012 #138
I agree with you in that it isn't a political 'win'... Spazito May 2012 #141
As long as his LDS beliefs drive his policy stances obamanut2012 May 2012 #142
Oh, and btw, MineralMan, I don't need you micromanaging how I support Democrats EFerrari May 2012 #144
This obamanut2012 May 2012 #150
It's just an opinion. MineralMan May 2012 #157
Then you are not in control of your own rhetoric. EFerrari May 2012 #158
OK, thanks. MineralMan May 2012 #160
The use of "we" and "should" together was probably just an oversight REP May 2012 #182
This Maven May 2012 #163
bush used his religion to guide him in the decision to invade Iraq... cynatnite May 2012 #147
So you start off the title with WE and end the final sentence with YOU. Rex May 2012 #152
You needn't share my opinion, but I'll express it anyhow. MineralMan May 2012 #159
The idea is that you should express your opinion EFerrari May 2012 #191
I agree to an extent, although not all discussions of religion are created equal fishwax May 2012 #156
Well, Romney's not bashful about MineralMan May 2012 #161
Sure he has a divided loyalty eridani May 2012 #220
Nope. And yes I want to ridicule Harry Reid, I have nieces with bigger balls than him.. truebrit71 May 2012 #162
Very nice, indeed. MineralMan May 2012 #164
You are most welcome.... truebrit71 May 2012 #167
Nope, Romney's beliefs are comparable to Palin's Waiting For Everyman May 2012 #166
Umm, well, fuck that. progressoid May 2012 #171
Romney was a Church Leader he needs to be vetted for his role as leader in his church. TNLib May 2012 #173
Not his beliefs but his support for an organization that tries to subvert Congress EFerrari May 2012 #175
Yes that would be inline with Vetting his role as a church leader TNLib May 2012 #179
I think magic underwear is an appropriate metaphor EFerrari May 2012 #192
He was over less than .01% of the total membership FreeState May 2012 #199
K & R (not for the OP's argument, but for the counter-arguments in the thread...) Surya Gayatri May 2012 #174
Do "we" need advice from l'uomo è mobile, qual piuma al vento? REP May 2012 #177
Questo. EFerrari May 2012 #181
Grazie REP May 2012 #185
The JFK analogy doesn't hold water. KamaAina May 2012 #180
No Cali_Democrat May 2012 #183
The problem ProSense May 2012 #184
Thank you customerserviceguy May 2012 #187
I'm a Catholic. apocalypsehow May 2012 #194
Agreed, there are a lot more valid reasons to criticize Mittens, a whole lot Rhiannon12866 May 2012 #195
If the Democratic candidate for President was Mormon, don't you think the right sarcasmo May 2012 #200
Of course I think they would. The right sucks. MineralMan May 2012 #201
I agree in part peasant one May 2012 #207
No, we need to swift boat this asshole SpartanDem May 2012 #202
When I see threads like this I miss the Unrec function. nt Electric Monk May 2012 #203
Leave it to the evangelicals. They'll rip him plenty for it. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #204
The Mormon Church is a huge, big-hitter political unit. Fair game. DirkGently May 2012 #210
Bullshit. The Mormon Church is not only extremely political (see: Prop. 8 or AzDar May 2012 #211
You may want to start an OP on the Prophecy obamanut2012 May 2012 #223
Both JFK and Obama addressed their religions affiliations in fervent and moving speeches. LiberalAndProud May 2012 #212
Such a good point and a good question. Bluenorthwest May 2012 #213
Some of the christian right will not vote... SixString May 2012 #217
We should bury him in criticism, including his religious beliefs. He is an entitled prick, and morningfog May 2012 #214
As an Orthodox Christian Harmony Blue May 2012 #215
Naive??? "That's a personal deal" proves you are! Logical May 2012 #216
And if he were a devil worshiper? Wiccan? Scuba May 2012 #221
No. Evasporque May 2012 #222
What a bunch of hooey RetroLounge May 2012 #225
I don't think anything should be off limits. MADem May 2012 #227
Please note my use of the word "ridicule" more than once MineralMan May 2012 #228
I disagree. JNelson6563 May 2012 #229
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