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MineralMan

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73. Not because of his religion. I'd have a look at how many black people were in
Mon May 14, 2012, 01:15 PM
May 2012

leadership in his campaign staff. The LDS church changed its doctrine in 1978. It no longer holds the position it held before. What's Romney's position? Just look at his campaign staff leadership, and you'll see it clearly.

Mormon's an Christians are about equally crazy in their beliefs. But the Christians get a pass in Erose999 May 2012 #1
Christianity certainly doesn't get a pass here. cali May 2012 #3
Kind of a Newton's third law of politics... Fumesucker May 2012 #4
Which candidates are being ridiculed for being Christians? MineralMan May 2012 #10
ahem. I do. Frequently, especially ChairmanAgnostic May 2012 #56
My theory on criticizing faith: if it would be criticized as BS outside a church then go ahead CreekDog May 2012 #126
Fair point. backscatter712 May 2012 #53
Hm. This type of depiction can be made about any religion. nt daaron May 2012 #86
Why do you think I'm an atheist? n/t backscatter712 May 2012 #113
Yeah, and doesn't it make you wonder why people buy into that nonsense? Arugula Latte May 2012 #165
Well, when you put it that way... SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #96
Oh, and don't forget about the ritual cannibalism and vampirism of the deity! backscatter712 May 2012 #176
I find Mormonism fascinating. I'm not going to silence myself because a Mormon is running cali May 2012 #2
That's not what I'm talking about. MineralMan May 2012 #9
Exactly. We're not criticizing, just asking people to learn more about it. DCKit May 2012 #44
Do you really think that's what the majoriety of Mormon threads are doing? FreeState May 2012 #196
Honestly. fruitsmoothie45 May 2012 #5
I'll continue to mock his Mormonism because that's half of my own kestrel91316 May 2012 #6
I agree. jp11 May 2012 #7
I think discussing Mormonism in general can be useful and important, especially as a way to Brickbat May 2012 #8
But religion is a poor predictor of politics, frankly. MineralMan May 2012 #15
Harry Reid. That's a good one. earthside May 2012 #20
Which religion isn't "strange"? nt sufrommich May 2012 #31
Whichever one a person follows, it seems to me. MineralMan May 2012 #43
They all are. Mormonism is just one of the "strange, strange" ones. Brickbat May 2012 #47
+1 obamanut2012 May 2012 #145
I agree. Plently of other things to bash Romney with. n/t FSogol May 2012 #11
I agree completely. As an atheist, and a citizen, I am appalled by the focus on religion as a enough May 2012 #12
I do think we need to recognize that there are many LDS who are democrats. HereSince1628 May 2012 #13
We can agree that "that there are many LDS who are democrats" if there is a factual basis. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #62
um, having lived in utah, there are not many mormons who are democrats newspeak May 2012 #88
"Is there one that you can point to?" protect our future May 2012 #89
No. That does not support that "that there are many LDS who are democrats". AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #95
I think you replied to my post protect our future May 2012 #101
I'm glad you're a democrat newspeak May 2012 #107
I agree, newspeak, protect our future May 2012 #143
Jack Mormons obamanut2012 May 2012 #146
Harry Reid is a Mormon. MineralMan May 2012 #92
And not one source for the statement that "that there are many LDS who are democrats". AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #97
14% of Mormons prefer Democrats, compared to 59% Repukes hughee99 May 2012 #168
Interesting, Thanks. n/t AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #190
Here's a link for one... HereSince1628 May 2012 #105
That is not a link to support "that there ARE AS MANY LDS who are democrats" AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #130
I believe you've added a word to what that DUer posted. MineralMan May 2012 #134
Thank you. I stand corrected. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #151
We don't have to. FBaggins May 2012 #14
The rw is the ones most likely to stay home rather than vote for a Mormon. Unless of course they jwirr May 2012 #19
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #16
Romney is a Mormon. Obama IS NOT a Muslim see any difference? Can we point out about Dominionists? Vincardog May 2012 #17
Point out what? Is Romney a dominionist? HiPointDem May 2012 #123
Could you provide some examples of such criticism from our side? jeff47 May 2012 #18
Sure. There are two such threads on the first page of GD today. MineralMan May 2012 #24
So you're complaining about random people on the Internet, then? (nt) jeff47 May 2012 #76
The second one isn't an attack on Romney. nt daaron May 2012 #93
It's like believing Snow White is nonsense, sufrommich May 2012 #21
Frankly, whatever it takes to win. Bake May 2012 #22
If a Scientologist or a Moonie were running for president would religious beliefs be off the table? NNN0LHI May 2012 #23
For me, they would be off the table. MineralMan May 2012 #27
Same goes for a Creativity Movement adherent? NNN0LHI May 2012 #34
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that. MineralMan May 2012 #60
The Mormon Church excluded African-Americans from leadership until 1978 NNN0LHI May 2012 #71
Not because of his religion. I'd have a look at how many black people were in MineralMan May 2012 #73
He allowed an openly gay staffer to be hounded from his post obamanut2012 May 2012 #149
Yes, he did, which demonstrates his prejudice. MineralMan May 2012 #153
Would you have opposed JFK because the Catholic Church excluded women from leadership? hughee99 May 2012 #169
If he had been promoting such practices in his speeches you God damn right I would have NNN0LHI May 2012 #170
And since Romney promotes bigoted stances in his speeches hughee99 May 2012 #224
But yet LDS are both of those obamanut2012 May 2012 #148
Yes, and the candidate has made his own positions clear as well. MineralMan May 2012 #154
With all due respect, I think that all modern Presidents have been atheists. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #66
You might be correct, but all publicly professed Christianity. MineralMan May 2012 #74
Nonesense, Sir: There are people Who Do Not Want To Vote For a Mormon, And That Should Be Exploited The Magistrate May 2012 #25
Then we shouldn't complain about religion taking sufrommich May 2012 #29
That's the point: Religion already HAS taken a front row seat! Bake May 2012 #115
Hardly, Sir: the Other Fellow's Religion Is Clearly Wrong, Evil, Even, And Has No Place In Politics The Magistrate May 2012 #172
Absolutely! AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #38
When Mormons stop telling lies about the LGBT community, we will stop telling the truth about them. Zorra May 2012 #132
Really well said. daaron May 2012 #188
Exactly. Cali_Democrat May 2012 #178
hell yes ibegurpard May 2012 #197
for being so stuffy you do have a way with words... Agony May 2012 #209
Precisely. We're too soft on issues that really matter, but are "touchy." joshcryer May 2012 #219
absolutely disagree. Vehemently, if truth be told. ChairmanAgnostic May 2012 #26
Or at least people should know to post religion focused OPs in the religion forum. FYI to all duers, quinnox May 2012 #28
Romney believes that God communicated his plans to man in upstate NY in the 19th century. Nye Bevan May 2012 #30
+1. I'm amazed so many think there is an actual difference. sufrommich May 2012 #35
Both are incredible to me. MineralMan May 2012 #37
In that case, Romney's make more sense than Obama's... zappaman May 2012 #40
I agree to a point SoutherDem May 2012 #32
No thank you. Although I'm not Black, if the Mormons have the remnants of anti-Black and AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #33
"I'm a descendant of Quakers " sufrommich May 2012 #39
Wrong. The difference is that Nixon did not remain true to Quaker traditions. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #45
Yeah, some people don't remain true to their sufrommich May 2012 #51
Excellent point. MineralMan May 2012 #46
Racism, homophobia, and other bigotry MineralMan May 2012 #42
I think that you're right. But if and when others would reject Rmoney because of certain nutty AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #52
"Racism, homophobia, and other bigotry are pretty much independent of religion, it seems to me." Maven May 2012 #59
Romney openly opposes marriage equality. MineralMan May 2012 #63
What you're arguing is that religion is off limits Maven May 2012 #72
No, I'm not arguing that at all. MineralMan May 2012 #79
No, it's not legitimate to "wonder" if the candidate upholds this corrupt organization's positions EFerrari May 2012 #189
Strongly agree! U.S. Constitution, Article VI longship May 2012 #36
Mormons are weird but interesting. And they like being weird. hrmjustin May 2012 #41
It's fun to be weird but interesting. MineralMan May 2012 #49
His Mormonism is actually not all that interesting. Quantess May 2012 #48
Ditto. It has nothing to do with fairy tales and magic underwear. We all have beliefs. harun May 2012 #83
For Americans, This Might Be A Personal Choice Among Holy Books. ancianita May 2012 #50
Follow Me to our Planet and be a god. Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #54
Yes. Here's another one: MineralMan May 2012 #125
"We all rightly criticized the right for using the Muslim nonsense against Obama" cthulu2016 May 2012 #55
We objected to them calling Obama Muslim because it was untrue liberal N proud May 2012 #57
Hm. WilliamPitt May 2012 #58
Are we ready for a Scientologists President? Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #64
+1,000,000 CountAllVotes May 2012 #65
Which would be fine if we were ever to actually argue sufrommich May 2012 #67
I think exploring "Lying for the Lord" is imperative in the vetting process. myrna minx May 2012 #69
Marsupials either gaspee May 2012 #218
Yeah I sort of agree. Ganja Ninja May 2012 #61
"Whether Mormons should be considered "Christians" is a controversial and rather complicated issue." AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #70
A lot of Evangelicals will try to tell you Catholics aren't Christian either. n/t Ganja Ninja May 2012 #114
You may have more experience than me. I try to avoid them. n/t AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #131
Repugs had no problem TBF May 2012 #68
You lay off, I'm good. EFerrari May 2012 #75
Beat me to it obamanut2012 May 2012 #78
LDS money was instrumental for Prop 8 too. myrna minx May 2012 #80
Seriously, fuck them. EFerrari May 2012 #82
Harry Reid supports marriage equality MineralMan May 2012 #91
You miss my point. EFerrari May 2012 #94
No, I don't miss your point at all. MineralMan May 2012 #103
I don't need to be fair to the Mormon Church. I'm not playing AYSO soccer with them. EFerrari May 2012 #109
Romney is openly opposed to marriage equality. MineralMan May 2012 #87
Yes, it is the Mormonism when the Mormon Church money floods our voting venues EFerrari May 2012 #99
LDS spent lots of money in California trying to kill gay marriage DisgustipatedinCA May 2012 #100
And also in NC obamanut2012 May 2012 #140
Source for NC? FreeState May 2012 #198
He is a public and devout adherent to a church that is inherently bigoted obamanut2012 May 2012 #137
The argument isn't that the church shouldn't be sufrommich May 2012 #85
+1 tallahasseedem May 2012 #186
I wish I could rec that post. pa28 May 2012 #205
Game ON! Agony May 2012 #208
No I don't agree with that bluestateguy May 2012 #77
"We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that ... Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #81
LOL. EFerrari May 2012 #84
An excellent Mencken quotation, indeed. MineralMan May 2012 #90
Teehee Solly Mack May 2012 #102
I totally agree. It interferes with the pursuit of solidarity. Zalatix May 2012 #98
Thanks. You get it. MineralMan May 2012 #108
As a woman, I think the fact that his belief system regards women as second class citizens LeftyMom May 2012 #104
Until that son of a bitch unequivocally apologizes for what he did coalition_unwilling May 2012 #106
If what underwear you put on in the morning was all your religion affected, you'd be right yurbud May 2012 #110
No way. I don't want anyone who believes in gods from planets, NightWatcher May 2012 #111
The short answer is yes. Now, the long answer Jack Rabbit May 2012 #112
Thanks for your very logical and complete reply. MineralMan May 2012 #118
Would you have this same attitude if Romney were a Scientologist? Or a Moony? Major Hogwash May 2012 #116
I would have the same attitude, but I consider it virtually impossible MineralMan May 2012 #124
+1 HiPointDem May 2012 #117
No thanks.... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #119
DU is a 95% agnostic/atheist site shagsak May 2012 #120
Actually, that's not even close to being true. MineralMan May 2012 #121
You are probably right shagsak May 2012 #206
As soon as the Rethugs stop talking about whether Obama is a Muslim CanonRay May 2012 #122
Problem Rmoney faces is the same one JFK faced intaglio May 2012 #127
I'll stop criticizing his Mormonism when he stops using his Mormonism to deny me equal rights. justiceischeap May 2012 #128
Harry Reid is a Mormon. He hasn't been kicked out. MineralMan May 2012 #136
Is Harry Reid as devout? justiceischeap May 2012 #139
How should I know how devout or not devout a candidate is MineralMan May 2012 #155
There is much wisdom in this thread protect our future May 2012 #129
Well, for me, there are a large number of positions MineralMan May 2012 #133
Excellent. I think this goes to the heart of the nuance involved. daaron May 2012 #193
Thanks, daaron. protect our future May 2012 #226
I agree with you MrScorpio May 2012 #135
I wholeheartedly disagree. 99Forever May 2012 #138
I agree with you in that it isn't a political 'win'... Spazito May 2012 #141
As long as his LDS beliefs drive his policy stances obamanut2012 May 2012 #142
Oh, and btw, MineralMan, I don't need you micromanaging how I support Democrats EFerrari May 2012 #144
This obamanut2012 May 2012 #150
It's just an opinion. MineralMan May 2012 #157
Then you are not in control of your own rhetoric. EFerrari May 2012 #158
OK, thanks. MineralMan May 2012 #160
The use of "we" and "should" together was probably just an oversight REP May 2012 #182
This Maven May 2012 #163
bush used his religion to guide him in the decision to invade Iraq... cynatnite May 2012 #147
So you start off the title with WE and end the final sentence with YOU. Rex May 2012 #152
You needn't share my opinion, but I'll express it anyhow. MineralMan May 2012 #159
The idea is that you should express your opinion EFerrari May 2012 #191
I agree to an extent, although not all discussions of religion are created equal fishwax May 2012 #156
Well, Romney's not bashful about MineralMan May 2012 #161
Sure he has a divided loyalty eridani May 2012 #220
Nope. And yes I want to ridicule Harry Reid, I have nieces with bigger balls than him.. truebrit71 May 2012 #162
Very nice, indeed. MineralMan May 2012 #164
You are most welcome.... truebrit71 May 2012 #167
Nope, Romney's beliefs are comparable to Palin's Waiting For Everyman May 2012 #166
Umm, well, fuck that. progressoid May 2012 #171
Romney was a Church Leader he needs to be vetted for his role as leader in his church. TNLib May 2012 #173
Not his beliefs but his support for an organization that tries to subvert Congress EFerrari May 2012 #175
Yes that would be inline with Vetting his role as a church leader TNLib May 2012 #179
I think magic underwear is an appropriate metaphor EFerrari May 2012 #192
He was over less than .01% of the total membership FreeState May 2012 #199
K & R (not for the OP's argument, but for the counter-arguments in the thread...) Surya Gayatri May 2012 #174
Do "we" need advice from l'uomo è mobile, qual piuma al vento? REP May 2012 #177
Questo. EFerrari May 2012 #181
Grazie REP May 2012 #185
The JFK analogy doesn't hold water. KamaAina May 2012 #180
No Cali_Democrat May 2012 #183
The problem ProSense May 2012 #184
Thank you customerserviceguy May 2012 #187
I'm a Catholic. apocalypsehow May 2012 #194
Agreed, there are a lot more valid reasons to criticize Mittens, a whole lot Rhiannon12866 May 2012 #195
If the Democratic candidate for President was Mormon, don't you think the right sarcasmo May 2012 #200
Of course I think they would. The right sucks. MineralMan May 2012 #201
I agree in part peasant one May 2012 #207
No, we need to swift boat this asshole SpartanDem May 2012 #202
When I see threads like this I miss the Unrec function. nt Electric Monk May 2012 #203
Leave it to the evangelicals. They'll rip him plenty for it. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #204
The Mormon Church is a huge, big-hitter political unit. Fair game. DirkGently May 2012 #210
Bullshit. The Mormon Church is not only extremely political (see: Prop. 8 or AzDar May 2012 #211
You may want to start an OP on the Prophecy obamanut2012 May 2012 #223
Both JFK and Obama addressed their religions affiliations in fervent and moving speeches. LiberalAndProud May 2012 #212
Such a good point and a good question. Bluenorthwest May 2012 #213
Some of the christian right will not vote... SixString May 2012 #217
We should bury him in criticism, including his religious beliefs. He is an entitled prick, and morningfog May 2012 #214
As an Orthodox Christian Harmony Blue May 2012 #215
Naive??? "That's a personal deal" proves you are! Logical May 2012 #216
And if he were a devil worshiper? Wiccan? Scuba May 2012 #221
No. Evasporque May 2012 #222
What a bunch of hooey RetroLounge May 2012 #225
I don't think anything should be off limits. MADem May 2012 #227
Please note my use of the word "ridicule" more than once MineralMan May 2012 #228
I disagree. JNelson6563 May 2012 #229
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