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Warren DeMontague

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58. And that, too, is protected speech.
Sat Jun 20, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jun 2015

However, the people who are gonna fall all over themselves to argue that "incitement" is somehow constitutionally bannable don't get that that is EXACTLY the sort of statement they are advocating be outlawed, whether they realize it or not.

This flag in Virginia needs to go as well. [View all] Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 OP
Here is their website Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #1
God - they're still fighting the war LiberalElite Jun 2015 #26
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And the 1st amendment? Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #6
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Incitement to what? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #17
Imminent lawless action. Read up on it. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #50
So speech that pisses someone off to the point of violence is bannable. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #54
No, speech that could reasonably provoke imminent lawless action is. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #71
Again, this is a ridiculous argument. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #73
Um... NuclearDem Jun 2015 #75
Right, and in practical terms, when is the last time someone was prosecuted for "incitement"? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #77
There's a kid in Baltimore being prosecuted for incitement to riot right now. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #82
And here's a perfect example of how that stuff can be easily misused by folks with an agenda. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #83
Oh God, Not This Shit Again. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #52
What other types of speech would you like to criminalize? tritsofme Jun 2015 #8
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And who gets to decide what is "hatemongering"? What types of speech get criminalized? tritsofme Jun 2015 #15
It's disconcerting how many people on DU seem to think the 1st Amendment is a big problem. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #59
Yep shenmue Jun 2015 #3
I give a damn if it's on private property. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #4
If its done to incite people (putting it directly over I-95 on the way to washington) Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #9
Disagree madville Jun 2015 #16
Incite people to what? Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #20
This fucking "incitement" argument. No one seems to realize that the asshole who shot up the church Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #56
THIS ISN'T GERMANY!!! davidn3600 Jun 2015 #65
Aid and comfort to the enemy. Private property or not. merrily Jun 2015 #5
I marched against the Vietnam War along side folks carrying the flag of North Vietnam onenote Jun 2015 #29
It's not the same. For one thing, in which part of North Vietnam were you marching? merrily Jun 2015 #32
Apart from worrying about my syntax, care to explain how it differs? onenote Jun 2015 #34
Huh? Who's worrying about syntax? merrily Jun 2015 #41
Here's one way: onenote Jun 2015 #53
Thanks for the link HassleCat Jun 2015 #7
There used to be one that big on the main freeway from Central California into Los Angeles. . . Journeyman Jun 2015 #11
Tragedy often popularizes authoritarian ideas such as yours. tritsofme Jun 2015 #13
I did some reasearch and it would appear that the SCOTUS agrees with you Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #19
The First Amendment is tough. tritsofme Jun 2015 #23
The SCOTUS, being as RW as it is, would probably protect it. merrily Jun 2015 #37
It would likely be a unanimous decision, if it ever got that far. tritsofme Jun 2015 #38
Joke about terrorism in an airport or on a plane? merrily Jun 2015 #39
Threats have never been protected speech. tritsofme Jun 2015 #43
I said joke. merrily Jun 2015 #44
After the Elonis decision this year I'm not so sure the government would prevail in that sort of tritsofme Jun 2015 #45
I said I didn't think hate speech should be protected. merrily Jun 2015 #46
There is no universal definition to hate speech, that is the problem. tritsofme Jun 2015 #47
there is no universal definiton for any kind of protected speech or unprotected speech merrily Jun 2015 #49
The trend has been toward liberalization of standards tritsofme Jun 2015 #60
Porn isnt protected speech? There's a 10 Billion dollar a year industry that disagrees. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #68
If you thought my post said nothing salacious or obscene is protected, then you misread merrily Jun 2015 #69
And yet, it's an excellent example because the court pretty much doesn't draw lines, anymore. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #70
Of course the court draws lines on speech all the time, even though it finally left porn in merrily Jun 2015 #72
where? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #74
Please reply to what I post and not to things I didn't post. I did not post that merrily Jun 2015 #76
I understand. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #78
Yes people differ on what is hate speech, just as some differ on whether certain words amount merrily Jun 2015 #81
I tend to side with the ACLU on questions pertaining to the 1st Amendment. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #84
I am usually on the side of the ACLU as well, and proudly so. BTW, the ACLU gives Sanders a 100% merrily Jun 2015 #85
Thats what got us the PATRIOT act Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #24
I fly the Confederate Flag..kinda' BlueJazz Jun 2015 #14
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And that, too, is protected speech. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #58
Your words are true. I certainly don't particularly like the Confederate flag but you know what? BlueJazz Jun 2015 #62
Beyond not liking... I can certainly understand how it is a symbol, analogous to African Americans, Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #66
People just want to try to fix things. Their actions, to them, would somehow make life.. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #67
I have to support their right to fly it. Throd Jun 2015 #21
Stupid idea Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #22
Confederate flags need to be banned or if not then shredded Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #25
There's one that is (or was, haven't been past for a while) flown along I 75 in the Tampa area... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #27
If it's on private property, it's protected by the 1st amendment of our Constitution. roamer65 Jun 2015 #28
Museums? What else should be banned from museums? onenote Jun 2015 #30
Why should I have to pay tax dollars to have it displayed? roamer65 Jun 2015 #33
Lamest argument ever. onenote Jun 2015 #35
Got one on your front lawn? roamer65 Jun 2015 #36
So you want to erase history. Throd Jun 2015 #42
Hell...I'll go a step further...we ended Reconstruction way too soon. roamer65 Jun 2015 #48
Nope. Nothing on my front lawn. Do you burn books on yours? onenote Jun 2015 #51
I have to drive past that flag all the time and it makes me angry inside every time. tarheelsunc Jun 2015 #31
I would go after the official Mississippi state flag struggle4progress Jun 2015 #40
You are right, do you think this would be better... Kalidurga Jun 2015 #61
I'd personally go with what lost the non-binding referendum in 2001: struggle4progress Jun 2015 #63
It's obnoxious and offensive Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #55
Not sure I want the government taking action on private property. nt Logical Jun 2015 #57
It's private property by private individuals/organizations davidn3600 Jun 2015 #64
Should include this, too: Fawke Em Jun 2015 #79
this is an embarrassment too...nashville, tn spanone Jun 2015 #80
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