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starroute

(12,977 posts)
30. It's a sincere question
Sun Jun 21, 2015, 01:58 AM
Jun 2015

Terrorism can be used as a weapon of war to strike fear into an enemy population. It can be used by a faction to intimidate voters or to make the ordinary processes of government unsustainable. It can be used to demand the release of political prisoners or a cash mayment. It can be a means by which the disenfranchised make their grievances known in a way that cannot be ignored.

But 9/11 wasn't any of those. It's never been clear who was actually behind it. Bin Laden kinda-sorta took credit for it, but it's pretty clear it couldn't have been coordinated from a cave in Afghanistan. And though we've assumed that the goal was the withdrawal of US troops from Saudi Arabia -- which did occur in 2003 -- that's never been entirely clear either.

Perhaps the secrets are all hidden in those 28 pages. Maybe people at the highest levels of the Saudi government pulled it off to get us out of their country and we were so terrified that we not only protected the perpetrators but gave into their demands. If that's true, it would be the revelation to end all revelations, and I'd love to see it come out.

But if it is true, that may be why the Bush administration couldn't clearly define it as an act of terror -- despite using the word "terror" incessantly -- but had to pitch it as a seemingly motiveless hate crime. And that puts it on the same level as the Charleston shootings.

A magnificent post malaise Jun 2015 #1
K&R CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2015 #2
K&R 99Forever Jun 2015 #3
He most certainly did. Throd Jun 2015 #4
There is no doubt in my mind but none of the doc03 Jun 2015 #5
I agree that his actions qualified as domestic terrorism, but I suspect his initial motivation Stardust Jun 2015 #6
I figured something pushed him over the edge rocktivity Jun 2015 #7
It took place in South Carolina, not Georgia alfie Jun 2015 #8
Kilmeade's mistake, not mine rocktivity Jun 2015 #9
He's a terrorist. No doubt. I think his goal went further than "domestic" though. MADem Jun 2015 #10
Thanks for including yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #11
K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #12
By that definition, you couldn't call 9/11 terrorism either starroute Jun 2015 #13
I think 9/11 qualifles as intimidation of American citizens rocktivity Jun 2015 #16
I don't think this is correct passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #17
That is blatantly disingenuous. salib Jun 2015 #19
It's a sincere question starroute Jun 2015 #30
Uhm, have you forgotten The Patriot Act? n/t Jamastiene Jun 2015 #50
Yes. He is a racist domestic terrorist. lovemydog Jun 2015 #14
Great post, really excellent! Thank you for doing all that work! scarletwoman Jun 2015 #15
This OP needs to go viral passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #18
Re-loaded? Brian66 Jun 2015 #20
Multiple shots into each person -none Jun 2015 #25
Uh, he assassinated a state senator. That's terrorism. nt valerief Jun 2015 #21
Unnecessary to meet the legal test; assassination of a political figure is a disjunctive in the definition. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #22
Tldr - short on time...but yup...definitely a terrorist. nt Lucky Luciano Jun 2015 #23
of course it is terrorism Skittles Jun 2015 #24
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #26
k and r niyad Jun 2015 #27
Methinks both Faux Noize and these Republidiots may just be in the making of their own undoing with nightscanner59 Jun 2015 #28
Rightwing violence gets written off as anomalous "bad apple" behavior. DirkGently Jun 2015 #29
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #37
k&r& bookmark, great post, thank you. To answer, yes. uppityperson Jun 2015 #31
K&R, Great post! smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #32
One minor point davidpdx Jun 2015 #33
Domestic terrorism madokie Jun 2015 #34
Yes, domestic terrorism, no question about it. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #36
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Great post, rocktivity! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #35
We have a long history of terrorism in America dakdirty Jun 2015 #38
Excellent post! Spazito Jun 2015 #39
I think domestic terrorist is an excellent descriptor. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #40
"Thanks for the Recs" Kick rocktivity Jun 2015 #41
K&R! napkinz Jun 2015 #42
yep, not a racially-motivated hate crime, but an attack on people of faith ... napkinz Jun 2015 #43
Definitely a terrorist. nt City Lights Jun 2015 #44
Michael Moore tweet ... napkinz Jun 2015 #45
Kick, kick, kick! Heidi Jun 2015 #46
RE: The Council of Conservative Citizens rocktivity Jun 2015 #47
Nice list of scumbags. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #53
Rachel Maddow on the CCC rocktivity Jun 2015 #54
K&R Jamastiene Jun 2015 #48
... napkinz Jun 2015 #49
Send the Bastard to Guantanamo where we keep other terrrorists... cascadiance Jun 2015 #51
Did. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #52
Amazingly graceful. rocktivity Jun 2015 #55
Yet another casualty of Roof's Race War rocktivity Jun 2015 #56
Massacre in Charleston: Shame of America sjk.fly4ever Jun 2015 #57
Federal Hate Crime Charges to Be Filed rocktivity Jul 2015 #58
9/4 UPDATE: Prosecutors calling for death penalty (but not for domestic terrorism) rocktivity Sep 2015 #59
American Terrorist by Anne Telnaes rocktivity Sep 2015 #60
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