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DustyJoe

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4. Monuments, headstones, history etc

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:34 AM

Jun 2015

With all the calls to eradicate symbols, flags, pictures go thru cemetaries and remove 150 year old headstones and even dig up and remove remains. Rename military bases, revoke veteran status and numerous other ideas and suggestions to change history to shame an entire generation for fighting in a war a lot were drafted into while the actual slaveowners sat back giving orders. Does it seem a bit surreal in comparison to 1930s book burning, lenins erasure of history or Orwells vision of all control in what is seen and heard ?

Some of these calls are getting so ridiculous to the point the next thing will be heard is to sub contract ISIS since they are really good at removing historical sites and monuments.

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This monument is an affront to the United States. [View all] edhopper Jun 2015 OP

Yeah, but the laser shows on Saturday nights are awesome. onehandle Jun 2015 #1

And they will still argue edhopper Jun 2015 #3

Yes it is Kalidurga Jun 2015 #2

OTOH it has artistic and historic merit Recursion Jun 2015 #54

Monuments, headstones, history etc DustyJoe Jun 2015 #4

Nonsense. /nt yardwork Jun 2015 #5

What a ridiculous argument edhopper Jun 2015 #6

Technically they aren't traitors. They were all pardoned. Calista241 Jun 2015 #7

They fought against their own country edhopper Jun 2015 #8

Traitors to Britain from 13 New World colonies fought against their own country between 1775-1783 Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #15

Are there statutes edhopper Jun 2015 #16

Did England put up a statue honoring "Traitor-Rebel" George Washington? Yes, in Trafalgar Square Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #20

I was trying to understand what you meant by winners framing the debate edhopper Jun 2015 #22

In 1783, the Colonial Traitors against the British Crown WON their Turn-Coat Rebellion Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #26

No edhopper Jun 2015 #27

Riiiiight. Take a look at your post number 23 again. Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #29

You got me there edhopper Jun 2015 #31

it is one thing to discuss losers in a war DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #35

I stopped reading after your 2nd sentence, Godwin's law and all Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #39

You stopped reading DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #64

... Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #67

Never thought about it DustyJoe Jun 2015 #24

They may have been pardoned but what they did . . . brush Jun 2015 #10

Given the history of Stone Mountain and the KKK, it should be destroyed csziggy Jun 2015 #17

Well said nt edhopper Jun 2015 #23

Excellent post... Spazito Jun 2015 #43

That's a great idea - use it as a teaching tool for the history of racism csziggy Jun 2015 #44

To me, educating the young on the real history of racism and racist monuments like Spazito Jun 2015 #45

Bit of a difference between not celebrating those who fought to preserve slavery NuclearDem Jun 2015 #25

No doubt your bias is offended. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #51

Racists don't wear Stone Mountain shirts or wave SM flags NightWatcher Jun 2015 #9

I don't think getting rid of the monument edhopper Jun 2015 #11

Stone Mountain Georgia, the site where the Ku Klux Klan was reborn. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #12

No mention of the rebirth of the Klan is complete Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #18

West Virginia had a precious member of the klan until yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #30

Byrd is such a red herring edhopper Jun 2015 #34

I don't know. You mentioned klam members in congress and yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #41

I mentioned that Stone Mountain was rallying point for the Klan edhopper Jun 2015 #42

That's what the Taliban said! FSogol Jun 2015 #13

That is how you see Stone Mountain? edhopper Jun 2015 #14

One man's "heritage" is another man's hell. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2015 #19

And what is the "heritage of Stone Mountain? edhopper Jun 2015 #21

Never saw or heard of it. yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #28

Then a hell of a lot of us are the descendants of traitors. pogglethrope Jun 2015 #32

Yes edhopper Jun 2015 #33

I agree that the Confederate flag shouldnt be flying on state grounds davidn3600 Jun 2015 #47

Not all edhopper Jun 2015 #57

Yes, and the principles of that nation were evil, it is nothing to be proud of. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #36

History is written by the victors csziggy Jun 2015 #46

Don't make me come down there again Ichingcarpenter Jun 2015 #37

"War is Hell" edhopper Jun 2015 #38

Simple solution: Have them fly REAL Confederate flags. KamaAina Jun 2015 #40

Do you have a complaint with this one? former9thward Jun 2015 #48

No edhopper Jun 2015 #58

A distinction without a difference. former9thward Jun 2015 #60

and that is wrong as well edhopper Jun 2015 #62

The Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery is not anyone's grave. former9thward Jun 2015 #65

This should be blown up. philosslayer Jun 2015 #49

That is just a bullshit argument edhopper Jun 2015 #59

Would you support the bulldozing and destruction of confederate Graves? n/t oneshooter Jun 2015 #66

I'd hate to see any monument removed, replaced or destroyed. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #50

It's also the largest bas relief in the world (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #52

So don't destroy it, give it a makeover. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #55

I'm hesitant to alter old art. Put up an interpretive element Recursion Jun 2015 #56

MLK specifically mentioned it in the "I Have A Dream" Speech jberryhill Jun 2015 #53

Stoned and alone seveneyes Jun 2015 #61

How about statues of that Native American-exterminating, genocidal maniac Columbus? Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #63

So until we eliminate all statues to questionable figures edhopper Jun 2015 #69

I didn't even know that existed AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #68