Regardless of the economic situation one way or another, (Reply #77)

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Wed Jun 24, 2015, 11:00 AM

pogglethrope (60 posts)

77. Regardless of the economic situation one way or another,

the United States is dystopian.

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A segment of DU is very invested in painting a dystopian picture of the US [View all]	Recursion	Jun 2015	OP
because they are trying to prove who has more socialist cred	snooper2	Jun 2015	#1
Interesting points.	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2015	#2
That sounds a lot like what you get from the RW...deny the facts....deflect from the topic. Why?	Fred Sanders	Jun 2015	#7
I do notice that some people want to redefine unemployment now that President Obama has lowered it.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jun 2015	#92
Don't have a dog in this fight, but DU has talked about the poor way	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2015	#100
Yes, without getting the weeds I realize the difference	DemocratSinceBirth	Jun 2015	#105
+1	hifiguy	Jun 2015	#179
Exactly...Anybody who is part of that redefinition is no friend of mine, no liberal, nuh uh	randys1	Jun 2015	#152
Dare I say, that sounds a lot like what Republicans would say.	MoonRiver	Jun 2015	#196
They said it under Bush every time we brought up the real unemployment rate.	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2015	#200
Well actually...	kenfrequed	Jun 2015	#108
Indeed. Look at my reply (#6) below.	Wilms	Jun 2015	#8
I'm game (nt)	Recursion	Jun 2015	#11
OK. Draw!	MannyGoldstein	Jun 2015	#54
Sure, Manny, I'll draw	ConservativeDemocrat	Jun 2015	#82
Paul Krugman disagrees with you, for one.	DanTex	Jun 2015	#89
"Actively looking" is a pretty hard measure	ConservativeDemocrat	Jun 2015	#134
It's still a subjective measure, like U6 is. And this thread is not about political value,	DanTex	Jun 2015	#137
But that has been the case for a long time	BainsBane	Jul 2015	#230
Maybe because we live in areas of high unemployment or are unemployed ourselves?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jun 2015	#3
That's an interesting point	Recursion	Jun 2015	#12
Do you know what the unemployment rate is for young, African American males eg?	sabrina 1	Jun 2015	#60
Yes, apparently some people are deprived of any empathy.	BeanMusical	Jun 2015	#150
You should probably be looking to your municipality or state, then	frazzled	Jun 2015	#31
I have family reasons that prevent me from moving.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jun 2015	#33
My husband was laid off at age 59.	LibDemAlways	Jun 2015	#86
"underemployment and part-time benefit-less employment that have become the norm."	marions ghost	Jun 2015	#167
You and I are in the same boat, and I am 48.	Efilroft Sul	Jun 2015	#170
because all they want to do is complain.	geek tragedy	Jun 2015	#4
You just described my office cube mate.	tridim	Jun 2015	#96
Not quite true. Their lack of action may be because they aren't able to just pick up and move.	haele	Jun 2015	#160
Great post. Good read. Thanks.	JDPriestly	Jul 2015	#226
Dystopian	Starry Messenger	Jun 2015	#5
D'oh	Recursion	Jun 2015	#10
Homeless people don't count, and we have many of them.	JDPriestly	Jul 2015	#228
Inflation-adjusted wages 1967-2013	Wilms	Jun 2015	#6
That's the same chart I used EDIT sorry you posted incomes	Recursion	Jun 2015	#9
Indeed. It's an attempt at something, but not something I really understand completely.	MineralMan	Jun 2015	#13
Read some of the replies in this thread	edhopper	Jun 2015	#14
Maybe because	LWolf	Jun 2015	#15
I take you and Erich's point: some regions haven't shared in the growth	Recursion	Jun 2015	#18
Wouldn't you get some optimism out of the statistics presented?	treestar	Jun 2015	#38
Here are some things that would engender optimism:	LWolf	Jun 2015	#47
Then you could never be optimistic at any time to date	treestar	Jun 2015	#57
Much of that situation does exist, just not in the USA...	Human101948	Jun 2015	#117
So there is no reason to be optimistic	treestar	Jun 2015	#216
Good for who?	Human101948	Jun 2015	#218
Hope for progress on those fronts	LWolf	Jun 2015	#141
It is a little hard to read on the chart with certaintly, but haven't	LondonReign2	Jun 2015	#130
I think that you don't understand that many of us are still screwed with today's "jobs"...	cascadiance	Jun 2015	#16
exactly	virtualobserver	Jun 2015	#66
How Much Money Do You Make ???	WillyT	Jun 2015	#17
What's a vacation?	azmom	Jun 2015	#70
My Point Exactly...	WillyT	Jun 2015	#88
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2015	#19
Well that second chart is simply a straight up lie	Recursion	Jun 2015	#22
Duh! YOU provided NO links in your OP's "factual claims:	Divernan	Jun 2015	#39
Don't be trying to explain things so simply	AZ Progressive	Jun 2015	#55
Believe it or not your charts got hidden.	hifiguy	Jun 2015	#181
That is INSANE!!!	truebrit71	Jun 2015	#183
Exactly, they should be tombstoned. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with AZ's post.	kath	Jun 2015	#185
Really. What sort of bullshit hide was that?	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2015	#192
What Warren Said!	ProfessorGAC	Jun 2015	#217
points down thread	Prism	Jun 2015	#194
WTF?!	TM99	Jun 2015	#202
Up is Down	hifiguy	Jun 2015	#204
Shitty hide, anyone with results? (Oh, LegalInsurrction)	joshcryer	Jun 2015	#215
Retired and taking early Social Security instead of becoming homeless n/t	eridani	Jul 2015	#233
The myth of early retirement	joshcryer	Jul 2015	#235
Nice comfortsplaining for the people who had to sign up at 62	eridani	Jul 2015	#236
Please.	joshcryer	Jul 2015	#237
Without a doubt that is the dumbest hide I've ever seen on DU. nt	laundry_queen	Jul 2015	#225
Insanity is right!!! How the hell could factual charts get a hide?????	RiverLover	Jul 2015	#240
I was gonna disagree with the OP	nilesobek	Jun 2015	#193
That was a BS hide.	Quackers	Jul 2015	#232
Wow. Talk about straight up lies. 35% unemployment in black communities because every one retired?	jtuck004	Jun 2015	#103
why are you citing rightwing Republican blogs in your attempts to attack	geek tragedy	Jun 2015	#59
I've been working the last 5 years from home managing an industrial supply website. I'm 50...	ChisolmTrailDem	Jun 2015	#20
Ironworker?	Go Vols	Jun 2015	#110
Hi Go Vols, please check your DU mail. nt	ChisolmTrailDem	Jun 2015	#155
The picture as a whole has definitely improved,	pennylane100	Jun 2015	#21
About 1% of the workforce earns the minimum wage	Recursion	Jun 2015	#24
The rust belt isn't in that bad of shape for employment	frazzled	Jun 2015	#36
Good point (nt)	Recursion	Jun 2015	#52
See, there's this thing called LINKS. Without them, ZERO credibility!	Divernan	Jun 2015	#41
I think a true inquiring mind would already know,	pennylane100	Jun 2015	#76
Thanks for the links	LongTomH	Jun 2015	#85
I have to get ready for a long dentist visit,	pennylane100	Jun 2015	#87
I think I know where that number comes from (accurate and misleading)	Bradical79	Jun 2015	#84
And with how LOW the minimum wage is these days, that isn't saying much!	cascadiance	Jun 2015	#90
The scum at the top has taken virtually every penny	hifiguy	Jun 2015	#184
Yea	GummyBearz	Jun 2015	#23
So your theory is	whatthehey	Jun 2015	#104
All it takes is some simple logic	GummyBearz	Jun 2015	#144
Here it is Recursion.	NCTraveler	Jun 2015	#25
The wealth gap should absolutely be our top priority	Recursion	Jun 2015	#26
Agree overall.	NCTraveler	Jun 2015	#32
If you think that, then you have changed your mind	closeupready	Jun 2015	#118
I've stated the wage level is more important than the wealth gap	Recursion	Jun 2015	#121
Yep, everything is just peachy.	RiverLover	Jun 2015	#27
Nice graphic...	truebrit71	Jun 2015	#49
I am SO saving that one for further use.	hifiguy	Jun 2015	#187
The one that annoys me the most	SheilaT	Jun 2015	#28
Wealthsplaining happens when those whose economic condition is more fortunate explain to	RadiationTherapy	Jun 2015	#29
As I've repeatedly pointed out to Recursion: Show us your cites!	Divernan	Jun 2015	#44
Why would a known disruptor do that?	Rex	Jun 2015	#136
What planet are you living on? I work in a state government job and recent wage increases, if any,	raccoon	Jun 2015	#30
The OP gets recs from people that have no idea what real life is like in America.	Rex	Jun 2015	#140
English must not be your first language, smartass.	raccoon	Jun 2015	#159
Why are you attacking Rex?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jun 2015	#201
Im getting a 3% raise this year..	rbnyc	Jun 2015	#175
And none of that is Obama's fault, in fact, without him you and I and many others	randys1	Jun 2015	#176
it's no single person's fault...	rbnyc	Jun 2015	#177
While I agree about the doom-and gloom stuff, you are being overly rosy. For example:	DanTex	Jun 2015	#34
Thank you	Recursion	Jun 2015	#48
Like I said, I agree with you about the doom-and-gloom.	DanTex	Jun 2015	#56
So FRED doesn't do a completely age-adjusted pop/employment ratio.	DanTex	Jun 2015	#75
Good question	Andy823	Jun 2015	#35
I did not know the U.S. bureau of the census	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2015	#40
That was pure projection by said poster.	Rex	Jun 2015	#164
I know, but when they even accuse government agencies	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2015	#168
I agree, at this point in time all I can do is laugh at them.	Rex	Jun 2015	#169
employment to population ratio	lumberjack_jeff	Jun 2015	#37
0.5% have given up	Recursion	Jun 2015	#43
Cite! Cite! Cite! - where are your bloody cites?	Divernan	Jun 2015	#45
BLS. I've cited all of these in numerous OPs	Recursion	Jun 2015	#50
U3 is 5.5 but U5 is 6.6	lumberjack_jeff	Jun 2015	#65
U5 is day laborers + discouraged + jobless and looking	Recursion	Jun 2015	#69
Now was that so hard? We don't keep your prior OPs printed out and pasted to the	Divernan	Jun 2015	#73
Odd that they all did so in the same year... and didn't return to work when things got sooo good. nt	lumberjack_jeff	Jun 2015	#51
All 0.3% of them? Yes, that's remarkable	Recursion	Jun 2015	#58
5% of the population left work in 2008 and about .5% have returned. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Jun 2015	#68
And what in fucking hell makes you think that is always voluntary?	eridani	Jul 2015	#234
If you would take an offered job BLS counts you as "discouraged"	Recursion	Jul 2015	#239
It's great that things are so rosy for you	notadmblnd	Jun 2015	#42
Sorry for what you & your family are going through.	Divernan	Jun 2015	#71
Oh, don't feel sorry for me. I'm the lucky widow.	notadmblnd	Jun 2015	#79
Where do you buy your rose-tinted glasses?	truebrit71	Jun 2015	#46
It looks like from responses	treestar	Jun 2015	#53
0.3% (nt)	Recursion	Jun 2015	#61
Let them eat cake!!!	Zorra	Jun 2015	#62
My college statistics professor, Jack Shannon, used to say,	Cosmic Dancer	Jun 2015	#116
What's in your wallet?	Fumesucker	Jun 2015	#63
The problem with this line of thinking...	WestCoastLib	Jun 2015	#107
Perspective counts for a lot	Fumesucker	Jun 2015	#126
"Both sides are the same" = Rand2016	blm	Jun 2015	#64
Why do you not have links to your sources so we can scrutinize them?	Cleita	Jun 2015	#67
Rhetorical question?	Zorra	Jun 2015	#102
Being controlled by the oligarchy isn't all that bad.	L0oniX	Jun 2015	#72
Don't you live in India?	grasswire	Jun 2015	#74
Good Catch! nt	99th_Monkey	Jun 2015	#101
WTF India?	azmom	Jun 2015	#112
Maybe outsourcing US jobs there?	PowerToThePeople	Jun 2015	#119
Way to crap on government service, there	Recursion	Jun 2015	#124
whatever	PowerToThePeople	Jun 2015	#129
Isn't your wife from that "shitty part of the world" And you work for the US government by your	SammyWinstonJack	Jun 2015	#197
India? Really? I guess he knows all about the US standard of living.	Enthusiast	Jun 2015	#125
Yes they do, it is funny all the 'people' here like the OP that make up the biggest lies	Rex	Jun 2015	#142
+1 nt	grasswire	Jun 2015	#153
Regardless of the economic situation one way or another,	pogglethrope	Jun 2015	#77
Mostly because your utopian picture hasn't trickled down to us peasants yet.	MindPilot	Jun 2015	#78
+1	azmom	Jun 2015	#81
Keep calm, eat a sandwich.	PowerToThePeople	Jun 2015	#80
This post is offensive. Two Americas. Yours may be great. Others face daily struggles.	Cheese Sandwich	Jun 2015	#83
Here's the labor stats for anyone interested.	Bradical79	Jun 2015	#91
Reasons I don't trust the labor stats	daredtowork	Jun 2015	#199
Are you trying to appropriate Manny's 3rd way bit?	corkhead	Jun 2015	#93
Well, it must be admitted that TWM sets a very high	hifiguy	Jun 2015	#189
If you see DU or its membership as the problem, Skinner's forum	closeupready	Jun 2015	#94
Well in my experience these are true	Autumn	Jun 2015	#95
When I turned 50, I was told by one employer that there was "a reason men	JDPriestly	Jul 2015	#231
Reality is not up for discussion.	SoLeftIAmRight	Jun 2015	#97
When did you first see this "very troubled land"?	tridim	Jun 2015	#149
About 1980	SoLeftIAmRight	Jun 2015	#211
A segment is also very invested in the corporations making it one. nt	raouldukelives	Jun 2015	#98
Don't you remember what Rush Limpballs said right after the election?	FlaGatorJD	Jun 2015	#99
You have no idea.	Fearless	Jun 2015	#106
Let's get the real numbers.	Exilednight	Jun 2015	#109
2.5 billion to mislead the populace	azmom	Jun 2015	#111
Ringling called. They are running out of clowns.	kairos12	Jun 2015	#113
Everybody needs to talk about the	HoosierCowboy	Jun 2015	#114
take a look at how this about a young man I know	pasto76	Jun 2015	#115
"They make those employees clean parts of the restaurant BEFORE they clock in."	mahatmakanejeeves	Jun 2015	#158
"The reality-based community." n/t	bobthedrummer	Jun 2015	#120
Wages flat for 40 years. The worst inequality since the Gilded Age. Lowest workforce participation	Romulox	Jun 2015	#122
Try looking up statistics on labor participation rate instead of U3.	jeff47	Jun 2015	#123
OK, Let's play pretend...	raindaddy	Jun 2015	#127
It is absolutely obscene. I'm so happy Bernie	azmom	Jun 2015	#154
If this were intended as a joke, it might have been a pretty good one.	Orsino	Jun 2015	#128
This thread reminds me that numbers don't lie but liars can number.	KauaiK	Jun 2015	#131
People over 50 having difficulty finding new jobs is true,	lark	Jun 2015	#132
It is all true, just take what the OP says and reverse it. They love to lie about this stuff	Rex	Jun 2015	#139
Yes you are getting annoyed, because the truth hurts so you just make up stuff and stir the pot.	Rex	Jun 2015	#133
Because hungry people don't give a shit about statistics and how they hurt/help a politician...	MadDAsHell	Jun 2015	#135
The OP is annoyed at the truth, poor baby.	Rex	Jun 2015	#138
wages or income? counting the yuppie 401k class that sold out workers is wrong	MisterP	Jun 2015	#143
Wages more than income	Recursion	Jun 2015	#145
Mass surveillance, wealth inequality, police criminality...	Taitertots	Jun 2015	#146
Good call, "haters gonna hate"	NM_Birder	Jun 2015	#147
The US is somewhere in between DYSTOPIA and UTOPIA	Martin Eden	Jun 2015	#148
Regarding the well-employed 50+ crowd...	Orrex	Jun 2015	#151
Because it worked against Clinton might as well do it again, Gore made a mistake distancing himself.	uponit7771	Jun 2015	#156
Clinton's econ success?	Art_from_Ark	Jul 2015	#229
A large number of the people I know live in a dystopian version of the U.S.	hobbit709	Jun 2015	#157
The OP lives in India, how they know anything about America is a mystery to us all.	Rex	Jun 2015	#162
He's an American, working with the Foreign Service.	hobbit709	Jun 2015	#163
Must be nice to know so much, thousands of miles away from the actual country.	Rex	Jun 2015	#165
Um...they are American. nt	msanthrope	Jul 2015	#238
because those statistics aren't reflecting what we see in our own lives...	rbnyc	Jun 2015	#161
"There's lies, damned lies, and statistics."-Mark Twain.	hobbit709	Jun 2015	#166
love that quote (nt)	rbnyc	Jun 2015	#171
And a tiny group here is desperately doing their best for Wall Street and the status quo.	Rex	Jun 2015	#172
Not really.	moondust	Jun 2015	#173
What the heck is going on in this thread, where someone had a post hidden that just showed some DATA	kath	Jun 2015	#174
I agree with that. It was a bad alert, bad hide.	Hoyt	Jun 2015	#180
agreed	questionseverything	Jun 2015	#190
No idea who alerted or why that was hidden	Recursion	Jun 2015	#191
i suspect the alerter claimed it was a right wing source	m-lekktor	Jun 2015	#212
Didn't mean for my earlier post to be a reply to you.	kath	Jun 2015	#186
That's what I figured.	moondust	Jun 2015	#188
You can't get so-called progressives elected if the so-called "centrists" are marking progress.	Hoyt	Jun 2015	#178
Well put. So many here seem completely sold on wikileaks FUD	ucrdem	Jun 2015	#182
They don't get out much?	lovemydog	Jun 2015	#195
cool story , bro	KG	Jun 2015	#198
The US is in a dystopian present. nt	Bonobo	Jun 2015	#203
The US I grew up in was not full	roody	Jun 2015	#205
I am sorry but I am going	TM99	Jun 2015	#206
It's time to expand SocSec to age 50, enlarge the safety net.	CK_John	Jun 2015	#207
Some covet the struggle	LordGlenconner	Jun 2015	#208
Maybe in your world.	Marrah_G	Jun 2015	#209
the relentless, hate-filled assault on women's rights in this country is a fact.	niyad	Jun 2015	#210
Racism, too.	F4lconF16	Jun 2015	#213
your post deserves its own op, so it can be rec'ced.	niyad	Jun 2015	#219
Incorporated into this OP.	F4lconF16	Jul 2015	#220
thank you. excellent post.	niyad	Jul 2015	#224
That's always the case.	joshcryer	Jun 2015	#214
None of that really matters. Look at the wealth concentration percentages	LittleBlue	Jul 2015	#221
A future where people don't need to work sounds awesome, personally (nt)	Recursion	Jul 2015	#222
Oh ho ho, that's not how it will work	LittleBlue	Jul 2015	#223
Hmm. Your post is provocative.	PatrickforO	Jul 2015	#227

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